News Organizations Team Up in Lawsuit Against FBI Over San Bernardino iPhone Hacking Case

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    A group of three news outlets, including Gannett, the Associated Press and Vice Media, filed a lawsuit today against the FBI on grounds relating to the bureau's decision to keep its method of hacking into San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook's iPhone a secret. The news organizations are looking for more information about how exactly the FBI entered the iPhone, what "outside party" helped with the process, and how much the government paid for it (via USA Today).

    Gannett, the AP, and Vice Media have each sought details on the hack under the Freedom of Information Act, but the FBI denied the requests, arguing that "revealing the records would imperil its enforcement efforts." Now the organizations are teaming up and asking the court to force the FBI to release the requested information.


    While the security drama swirls, University of Cambridge researcher Sergei Skorobogatov has released proof countering the FBI's claim that it couldn't get into Farook's iPhone without Apple's help. In his report (via Engadget), Skorobagatov detailed his process in bypassing the passcode retry counter of an iPhone 5c running iOS 9, which he said "does not require any expensive and sophisticated equipment."
    After removing the NAND from the iPhone -- which requires "a temperature above 300 ºC...due to heavy heat sinking of the main PCB" -- he created a backup of it and placed it onto a custom-built, special test board. To continue the NAND mirroring process, following a successful creation and verification of the backup copy, the original chip is placed back into the iPhone 5c, where the researcher entered six passcode attempts, and then power cycled the device. In total, the process takes 90 seconds each time, meaning the true password could feasibly be discovered in "less than two days."
    The fight between Apple and the FBI began earlier in the year when Apple refused to help the government unlock Farook's iPhone 5c under the belief that it could set a fearful precedent for security and privacy moving forward. The FBI didn't know what could potentially be on the device, but believed that any information gathered from it would potentially help move the case of the San Bernardino shooting forward in meaningful ways.

    Although that particular case is over, FBI director James Comey said that he expects litigation over the encryption of mobile devices to continue, as encryption is "essential tradecraft" of terrorist organizations like ISIS. Technology and security have intersected more and more as smartphones grow more popular, with Comey also stating that WhatsApp's new end-to-end encryption was already "affecting the criminal work [of the FBI] in huge ways."

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    Article Link: News Organizations Team Up in Lawsuit Against FBI Over San Bernardino iPhone Hacking Case
  2. OriginalClone macrumors 6502


    Jul 14, 2012
  3. HappyDude20 macrumors 68030


    Jul 13, 2008
    Los Angeles, Ca
    This is absolutely great that the news organizations brought this up to them and is practically calling them out on their bs.
  4. thisisnotmyname macrumors 68000


    Oct 22, 2014
    known but velocity indeterminate
    It's interesting how quickly Vice is gaining prominence. My introduction to them was the series of "travel" documentaries they did (definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen them). They do seem to have a distinct viewpoint and it shows in their coverage but I generally like their work. Much more interesting to me than what a lot of the traditional media is doing.

    And good for these groups in pushing for access to the information, it's been sketchy how the FBI has been avoiding federal rules of disclosures in this case.

    edit: this reminds me that we haven't heard anything with the release of the iPhone 7 about improvements to the secure enclave and firmware flashing. I wonder whether any steps were taken to reduce or eliminate their ability to apply updates without the consent of the device owner.
  5. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 29, 2009
    All Your Memes Are Belong to US
  6. JustThinkin' macrumors 6502

    Oct 21, 2014
    Oh, boo hoo Comey, everyone should just obey you because you shouldn't have to work hard to keep up? You've already abdicated your responsibility to be objective, thus becoming a minion of whoever the current administration is. Now you're going to whine, implying corporations should be obligated to make your job easier??

    Here's your answer: :p
  7. Zirel Suspended


    Jul 24, 2015
    This doesn't look good for either the FBI or Apple.

    FBI bluffed when they said they found out how to unlock the phone.

    Now that the public will know the truth, there will be pressure on Apple to put a backdoor in iOS.
  8. soupcan macrumors 6502a


    Nov 21, 2014
  9. 2457282 Suspended

    Dec 6, 2012
    I was never a fan of the FBI forcing Apple to break their OS. I am not sure that FBI has any responsibility to divulging how they finally broke into the phone. And why would the new organization want to know the hacking approach? Are they planning a hack of their own?
  10. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 29, 2009
    All Your Memes Are Belong to US
    Probably wanting to make sure that the phones they use are secure, since the media has being targeted by government(not just the US) spying.
  11. Jess13 Suspended


    Nov 3, 2013
    Vice has, at many times, been great. Not always, but yes: Vice does tons of great.
  12. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 29, 2009
    All Your Memes Are Belong to US
    Vice has some courageous journalists that imbed with smaller forces, i.e. when they embedded with the militias in Ukraine.
  13. Weaselboy, Sep 16, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2016

    Weaselboy Moderator


    Staff Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    It will be interesting to see how it plays out. The way Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests work is everything is presumed to be subject to disclosure unless the info falls under specific exemptions in the act. It sounds like the FBI is relying on the exemption quoted below. I guess it will be the court's job to decide if the exemption applies in this case.

    Quote from FOIA FAQ here:
  14. cmwade77 macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2008
    Are you kidding? This would be gold to them. Imagine them sneaking off with someone's phone at a bar or something, applying the hack, getting private information that they can then report on.
  15. ghost187 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 18, 2010
  16. CrystalQuest76 Suspended

    Dec 14, 2015
    West Cost A Lot
    There is irony here. News organization executives with their talking heads are complaining about people's privacy being violated. However, those news organization executives often violate people's privacy in the search for content to stuff next to advertising on a daily basis.
  17. joueboy macrumors 65816

    Jul 3, 2008
    Plot twist, Samsung sponsored the news organization to pursue the lawsuit.
  18. scoobydoo99 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 11, 2003
    so cal
    Essential tradecraft of terrorists? Or last defense of innocent citizens against jack-booted government storm troopers?
  19. GeneralChang macrumors 65816

    Dec 2, 2013
    If it's anything like the hack described by the researcher mentioned in the article, that would be something to see...
    --- Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016 ---
    Well, probably both, honestly.
  20. Robert.Walter macrumors 65816

    Jul 10, 2012
    Not to mention that this week the DOJ said that it is ok for g-men to impersonate journalists. (Who will ever whistleblow if there is a risk the journo who claims to be off the record is actually assembling a dossier- this is technique that belongs to the Stasi.)
    --- Post Merged, Sep 16, 2016 ---
    Double plot twist, Samsung finds out and copies an obsolete phone design...
  21. iModFrenzy macrumors 6502a


    Jan 15, 2015
    Our actions define our legacy
    Amazing joke *clap*
  22. nsayer macrumors 6502a


    Jan 23, 2003
    Silicon Valley
    Shades of the origin of the great Capacitor Plague.
  23. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    Everyone should take notice: They managed to attempt six passcodes every 90 seconds, which means 10,000 passcodes could be checked in 40 hours or two days. A six digit passcode has one million passcodes which would take 4,000 hours or about six months. It's also 500 working weeks in multiple shifts and accordingly expensive. An 8 digit code would take 50 years to crack.
  24. stroked Suspended


    May 3, 2010
    What if they didn't know how many digits were in a password?
  25. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009

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