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"Personal digital assistant", "Communications assistant" - what's it matter? They are just names. Most average people do not know what PDA means anyway.

Firewire would destroy the wirelessness that makes it convenient, but I guess they could stick it on there in addition to BlueTooth because it is much faster.

Portable GarageBand? I don't think so. A 1GHz G4 can only just cope with that. A PDA would have no chance. Plus, the 12" PB is hardly that much bigger really. And people complain about the screen real estate on this machine!

I'm still not sure about PDAs. iPod and digital music players are good because they give you time out. PDAs are complicated and limited. Of course, Apple would be the one to redefine the PDA, but I'm still not sure Jobs will go for it.
 
I'm still suspicious of whether Apple will enter this market again. The sentiment of consumers already having a handheld device for both hands already and therefore it'll have to carry phone/iPod features, is one I agree with. But with the iPod product line already approaching saturation level, I just can't see there being much future for a PDA that can play a few songs.

I'm a Mac fan, rasonable amount of cash lying around and I need organising. But with the sort of PDAs out there at the moment, Apple are going to have to do something pretty amazing to make me consider one seriously. The PDA market needs to have settled for Apple to blow it all away. I don't think it has, and so I don't think they will.

Oh well. Maybe another year or so.
 
OS X in my pocket

I'd pay something for a full OS X in my pocket. It would let me leave my PowerBook at home (even a subnotebook is something else to carry--unlike a pocketable device) and yet if something came up, I wouldn't be stuck with nothing.

Boy am I sick of lugging my PowerBook along "just in case"!

That said, I don't see this little Newton survey as evidence of anything.
 
I don't need another device.

Whatever it is, I hope it eliminates a device on my belt or in my briefcase and not add one. Years ago, I swore by my Newton MessagePads. I had a 120 and then a 2000 and finished with a 2100. Eventually, I migrated to a Palm V and as cellphones came down in price I started carrying one of those too. Add a 5GB iPod to the mix and now my device count was 3. I'm now carrying a Hiptop/Sidekick and my miniPod. Device count is down to 2 but the HT/SK doesn't have near the PDA capability that either my Palm or my Newton had, but I'll sacrifice capability for convenience, size, and simplicity. I would love if Apple would take that number down to one with a device which is usable as my PDA/MP3 Player/Cellphone. With this platform they could add the video playing capability as well. This all points to a subnotebook and a version of Mac OS X. To be honest, this thing would have to be big enough to make it too big to be a marketable cellphone. People are used to cellphones getting smaller despite more functions. So maybe I'll settle for a PDA/MP3/Video device which can surf the net via Airport. Apple should take a hard look at those cool little Clies.

AndrewMT said:
I'm afraid a sub-notebook could achieve many of these tasks with greater ease. I think the most important functions that should be added to the PDA are voice communication, internet, instant messaging, music storage/playback (hard drive required), and games.
 
mproud said:
I would buy a new Newton if Apple developed one. I'd be willing to pay up to $300 for goodies like AirPort WiFi, Inkwell, and Bluetooth along with a huge storage device and decent battery life. It could be done.
hahahaha

If apple made a newton it would be priced higher then the most expensive pocket pcs.

It would be nowhere near your $300 price point.

I am guessing more like $900.
 
PDAs are doing bad. Apple won't dable into this. They would be much more likely to add more light PDA features to the iPod.

PDAs eat too much into the laptop market and vice versa.
 
Nice to see that my GarageBand comment touched a nerve, there!

What I was referring to was a cut-down version to take on the road - nowhere NEAR the capabilities of a desktop, but enough to control a MIDI setup, and a number of sequences, thanks to its ability to READ GarageBand data. Add to that, a nice, big 40Gig. Hard Drive, basic Quicktime Video Player that accepts an analog input source, AND iTunes, iPhoto and Office support - as well as FireWire, of course - then you'd have one helluva unit.

Now - you can't deny THAT would be something special...

Anyway - who NEEDS an integrated cellphone? A PCMCIA card slot could provide optional Airport compatibility. I, for one, wouldn't want to put some MOTHER of a device to my ear just to get my voicemail!
 
The PDA market is dying, this can be seen by market treads already. Apple should instead make a newton smartphone - this is the emerging market.
 
hvfsl said:
If Apple does do a new Newton, I think it should have the following specs:

About the size of an iPaq
4GB Hard Disk (same as iPod Mini)
Colour screen with resolution of 640x480
Special version of Mac OS X for PDAs
400Mhz ARM or IBM G3 if they can get the power down enough.
ATI IMAGEON™ 2300 graphics (3D graphics card)

Optional Wifi/Bluetooth of course
How about Airport [Extreme]?

And better yet instead of a 4GB disk, something like 20 to 40GB so you don't have to carry an iPod and a PDA. I'm not carrying a PDA now. Being able to look up calendar and address stuff on the iPod makes it not as important that I have a PDA.
 
Hey you guys, remeber 'Home on the iPod' that used to be in Panther. What about 'Home on Newton' and have your whole life on your Newton. Access videos, music, and files on it. It's not a PDA, it's your Mac in your pocket. If this happens, my guess for specs...

-500mhz G3 (mabey more, don't know)
-80 Gig Hard Drive
-Color LCD size of device
-Bluetooth
-Firewire
-802.11g
-Runs MacOSX Mobile (think OSX miniturized)
-AV Out to TV to show presentations, video, and photos.

Here's my marketing slogan: 'Your iLife In Your Pocket'
 
Weird Survey

I don't get it. How would the research company have gotten a hold of former Newton users?

It's possible they could have asked people who remember the Newton (but never actually owned one), but why should Apple care about their opinion?

In marketing research parlance this survey is at risk of committing an "over demanding recall" error at the very least.
 
I think this should be a page 2 rumor - chances are extremely slim this has anything to do with Apple. They would use a market research company to test consumer interest. And I hope, they would be prudent enough not to sink more millions in the PDA market at the time where it more and more is merged with the cell phone market.
There would be some sense in merging the iPod with a PDA, but only if it gets a much improved (larger, higher def, color) screen. But that's about it. Newton is not coming back.
 
squatch said:
Even if Apple decided to come back out with a "Newton II", are most of the original Newton designers still at Apple? Or did they all migrate over to Palm and share with them all the great secrets? That is a big factor on whether the "Newton II" if reintroduced would be a success or not.

No worries here, once Apple decided to go ahead with NewtonII, they will migrate back to Apple. :)
 
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hvfsl said:
If Apple does do a new Newton, I think it should have the following specs:

About the size of an iPaq
4GB Hard Disk (same as iPod Mini)
Colour screen with resolution of 640x480
Special version of Mac OS X for PDAs
400Mhz ARM or IBM G3 if they can get the power down enough.
ATI IMAGEON™ 2300 graphics (3D graphics card)

Optional Wifi/Bluetooth of course

I'd like to suggest it have a colour screen res much higher than 640x480.
And be able to jack-in to an auto's on-board computer for diags and "tuning". OLED screen. And no textured paint please...I hate the fact it peeled off my last Newton. Something along the lines of, a Tektronics test unit.

Unless they opt for something as small as an iPod (aka iBroke).
 
Bendit said:
PDAs are doing bad. Apple won't dable into this. They would be much more likely to add more light PDA features to the iPod.

PDAs eat too much into the laptop market and vice versa.
I totally agree. Why jump into a market where you've been beaten once already, and where the current key players are struggling to survive? Esp. when you've made some bold steps and captured the lead in a dynamic and growing markets (iPod / digital music)?

Companies like Apple have limited resources and funds. The question is what they'd have to forego to get thrashed a second time in the PDA market.

I give this a low probability of seeing the light of day.
 
The Stone Multimedia site doesn't come up for me, and a Google search reveals zero mentions of any such company.

Isn't this fishy?
 
Savage Henry said:
But with the iPod product line already approaching saturation level, I just can't see there being much future for a PDA that can play a few songs.
Saturation, as in market saturation?

Where did you hear this? Source please.

Sushi
 
LOOK! There! On the horizon! Pigs flying!!! Oh... oh no wait, it's just specs of dust on my contacts. Sorry. False alarm.
 
Wouldn't newton II dip into laptop sales? Maybe Apple would be more beneficial incorporating this handwriting technology into their laptops.
 
ipiloot said:
Some years ago I was very active Newton user and also active in newsgroup. Possibly in year 2001 there was a discussion about the possibility to remake the Newton with new interface and all the cool technologies it had inside. From technical point of view, some consider NewtonOS to be the most modern OS ever developed. Incl. desktop OS-s. From technical point of view it far surpassed even OSX. I managed to teach Newton to understand Estonian. And it's handwriting reckognition far surpassed anything available from any other maker. I have heard that TabletPC nowadays offers at least as good hwr, but I haven't tested it. At least PocketPC-s HWR is not usable at all.

It may be that someone just picked up the idea and wants to create "their own newton". I don't believe that Apple is somehow connected to that. PDA market is a falling-one and Apple doesn't enter falling markets. There's no point in creating a machine to satisfy some 200+ Newton fans left.

There were many reason, why it failed.
  1. Technical - it went on market untested and unreliable and got it's "doomed" mark there
  2. Marketing - after the initial failure Apple didn't wat to spend money on selling Newton
  3. Device itself - while otherwise superior, it was far to clumsy for businessman to carry on
  4. Competition - Palm offered device that was "good enough": not as capable, but cheap and small
  5. Financial - the Newton drew money out of the company in millions

And that's not all. It was a good idea in right time, but Sculley first overhyped it and then delivered lackluster product. Only with MP130 Newton started to resemble what it was meant to be from the start. And with MP200/2100 it started to be a real good product. But it was still too expensive and sold for less than it was to produce.

I disagree to some degree. The Newton failed because its concept was not clearly defined. People didn't understand what it could do and Apple did an awful job explaining it. Therefore, people saw it as only a 900 dollar address book although it was a whole lot more. The value simply was not understood. Anyone who actually used one for any period of time figured it out and hence the "cult" following of today. Also remember that is did succeed in the vertical markets. I do agree however that our market is dictated by makers of products that are "just good enough" and while the Palm Pilot was just that, it has evolved into a nice package. A far cry from the Netwon, but what isn't today?

I think Apple could take a Newton 2K of yesterday and package it in a TT3 style package, use off-the-shelf components ala the iPod to keep cost down, and have a hit. For that matter, there probably is no reason the NewtonOS couldn't be adapted to operate on a Palm TT3. It meets or exceeds at all technical aspects and the cost of the hardware would become even less due to the fact that 2 vendors are now using that hardware platform. For those that don't know, the TT3 is made by ASUS, using PocketPC components.

I would use my Newton today if it weren't for the difficulty making it communicate with the rest of the world. I fire it up now and again to remember where we should be, philosophically, in handheld computing.

I think to make a Newton II survive in today's marketplace it would have to be priced no higher than the Palm TT3, be no larger than the TT3, and include cellular technology to take advantage of all the communication capabilities of the Newton OS. I would give up my TT3 before I cold finish a thought if Apple released a new Newt.
 
Apple Newton "PowerPod"?

mactarkus said:
Whatever it is, I hope it eliminates a device on my belt or in my briefcase and not add one ... I'm now carrying a Hiptop/Sidekick and my miniPod. Device count is down to 2 but the HT/SK doesn't have near the PDA capability that either my Palm or my Newton had, but I'll sacrifice capability for convenience, size, and simplicity. I would love if Apple would take that number down to one with a device which is usable as my PDA/MP3 Player/Cellphone. With this platform they could add the video playing capability as well. To be honest, this thing would have to be big enough to make it too big to be a marketable cellphone.
I'm with you on the potential value, and market interest, of a Newton that consolidates several portable devices into one, and the more integration, the better and more compelling this device would be. In keeping with Apple's i/Power prefixing theme to distinguish consumer from pro lines, the name "Newton PowerPod" comes to mind, but they could also go with "iNewton" and "PowerNewton" if they wanted two distinct devices for consumers and pros. However, IMHO, it would need to be smaller than the original Newton MP1x0 series, nevermind the 2x00 (I think the originals' bulky size was a likely point of market resistance, a point borne out by Palm's subsequent success), yet not much larger than an iPod, Palm PDA, or HipTop/SideKick.

I'm thinking of something resembling a slightly larger iPod, about 3x5" index card size, with the screen extending almost to the very edges of the front face where a slim protective raised border/frame surrounds the screen edges (i.e., no extra frame space on any edge, unlike the original Newtons or any Palm). Much larger than that would be ungainly and hurt market potential, but smaller would be too small for a practical media-watching screen size. Picture the iPod's stainless steel backside "bucket", but a bit larger (again, ~3x5" index card size), with the entire front face nearly-filled by a decent-resolution color screen (rather than the iPod's partial-face screen above an array of buttons and the touchwheel).

IMHO, the OS/GUI should be more like NewtonOS (which was specifically designed for portable-size use with a stylus), albeit modernized with an Aqua-fied/Quartz-ite appearance (making impressive use of the nice, high-res color screen), rather than some stunted/shrunken version of Mac OS X and Aqua, proper (which was specifically designed with ever-expanding desktop and laptop display resolutions in mind)--OS X's underlying tech could be applied to the guts of the OS, but the GUI itself should be more like NewtonOS. Phone and iPod controls could simply be displayed on the touch-sensitive screen (think: virtual iPod!)--better yet with voice-controllable phone (and iPod?) functions.

Since the device would incorporate music-playing functions, it would obviously come with headphones (perhaps bluetooth?), which would serve double-duty for phone use and allow you to leave the device itself in your pocket, holster, etc. A mic could easily fit on the earbuds' mini-remote (or even be integrated into one of the earbuds, Jabra-style), and the music could be set to mute whenever you get or make a call. Another idea I once had was that the stylus (telescoping-style like the original Newton styli) could serve as a bluetooth phone handset--get a call, pull out the stylus and extend it to full length, hold it up to the side of your face and talk!

An optional keyboard would also be nice (the old Newton keyboard was about perfect), yet the main device itself should be smaller than the keyboard--perhaps just enough size difference to also allow an optional bluetooth mouse to fit alongside the main unit and both facing the keyboard when not in use, so they could all be connected and folded together to make a tightly integrated, portable package, like this crude ASCII diagram (viewed along the bottom edge of the keyboard on the bottom, the long edge of the main unit and short edge of the mouse on top):[FONT=Monaco,Courier New,Courier]
___________________
|_____________|____|
|__________________|[/font]

Well, whadaya think o' them Apples?
:D
 
hvfsl said:
400Mhz ARM or IBM G3 if they can get the power down enough.
ATI IMAGEON™ 2300 graphics (3D graphics card)

Most embedded ARM options include an LCD controller and VIDC that is quite capable of anything a 640x480 LCD can offer. Why pay chipset and licensing fees to ATI for something that is already included?

I have on the next desk an Acorn RiscPC with StrongARM and VIDC and the graphics capabilities are pretty good (1600x1200x24bit) not at all bad for an embedded processor. Also, most small LCDs can handle very low frame rates and variable frame rates... (The Acorn was the first Risc PC, despite Apple's claims. Acorn sued Apple and won) :D

Ironically, Acorn had quite close ties to PSION, who contrary to the opinion given in the first post, were the people to first mass-market a PDA device in the 80's... :cool:
 
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