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Yes, I read the entire thread...

I was a relatively early adopter of the Newton... I got a Newton 110 when I was a grad student... It was so cool and elegant, and the gee-whiz geekfactor was ridiculously high... I used it for taking notes in classes and seminars, and the handwriting recognition, while picky, was highly useable for me... Nothing like being able to come home after a day of classes, attach your Newton to a lazer printer, and print out your notes!... I also used it for mundane things like the to-do lists, and even grocery shopping lists... And, of course, the address book... People used to stop me so often in the supermarket or wherever to ask me about it that it distracting, but in a "yeah, this is sooooo cooool!" kind of way... There was pocket Quicken, which allowed one to manage finances, and quite a few other apps that were neat... I was in a music comp program, and there was even a simple music notation entry program that would let me jot down thematic ideas I'd come up with during the day!... Then I got the 120, and the handwriting recognition was vastly improved... But that was a big part of the problem: The Newt was ahead of it's time, tech was advancing at a phenominal rate, and to get the new software, you had to buy an entirely new device... The 130 with the backlit screen was the last one that I was interested in... When they SuperSized it, I lost interest... The 9000 series was just too big...

I think today things could be much different... With the touch screen, you could put into "iPod Mode" and have the touchwheel etc. appear on the screen... Of course, there were no 4.5GB micro-drives in those days!... You could put in "iPhone" mode and have the telephone pad appear on the screen too [Nice if it was a wireless web phone that could tap into an AirPort net as well as a cellular]... Point is, in a device no bigger than the Newton 110/120/130 was, today you could have all of your iApps, cell/web phone, e-mail, instant messaging, and web access!... And the OS could be updatable just like on any iBook or other Mac... A single port each for FW and USB would also fit... Not to mention the AirPort Extreme card...

I use my iBook for most things now, but for us dinosaurs who never learned to type worth a rip, it still stinks not to be able to write into the thing... Not to mention the fact that the iBook won't clip to my belt [Talk about geeky]...

The Newt might have been a failure by some measures, but it blazed a trail that nobody has followed as well, and it changed me from a Win-Tel Droid into a Mac afficianado [For which I will be forever grateful!]...

I'd buy an "iLife device" [Or whatever they would call it] in a heartbeat...
 
Analog Kid said:
No, I don't see Apple getting into the PDA market at this point-- even their core market (us) is too divided. Tablets maybe, but given the utter failure of Windows in that market even after the huge marketing push it probably isn't likely.

You're missing the point on WHY Tablet PC is failing. It's not because the public doesn't want them, it's because that they are between 1.5 to 2 times more expensive then their laptop counterparts. Why buy a tablet for $2500 when you can get a laptop for $1200 (or less)? There aren'y alot of reasons to get a tablet over a laptop and paying extra, for the consumer, just doesn't make sense.

If makers of Tablet PCs would price them comparably to Laptops (or even competitively) then you would see a BIG difference.

Besides, I really don't know how "big" of a marketing push Microsoft gave the tablet PC. Yes they had an inital splashy campaign, but they started the hype so early that, when the product came out it was like "yawn!"
 
Basically tablet pcs CAN be more expensive because they have a totally different technology and use than laptops.
Most of them are built around wacom tablets, and if you compare the price of those to a normal lcd screen you'll see the price of tablets was dead-on.

However the early adopters all reported loads of difficulties after the initial praise, both on hardware failure and os stability. This generally stopped the first generation from being a succes.
 
L2GX said:
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However the early adopters all reported loads of difficulties after the initial praise, both on hardware failure and os stability. This generally stopped the first generation from being a succes.

Another big problem has been compatability. Tablets aren't always compatable with third party software. For example one of the best use of a tablet I thought for a friend was to address problems of note takign with their impaired vision. But, the tablet wouldn't allow the use of zoom-text type software to blow detail up enough to be seen by them easily etc.
 
L2GX said:
Basically tablet pcs CAN be more expensive because they have a totally different technology and use than laptops.
Most of them are built around wacom tablets, and if you compare the price of those to a normal lcd screen you'll see the price of tablets was dead-on.

However the early adopters all reported loads of difficulties after the initial praise, both on hardware failure and os stability. This generally stopped the first generation from being a succes.
 
What I want in a PDA

Handwriting recognition is so 20th century.

My PDA should be able to read my mind! Forget about handwriting... I want thought recognition!

Also, a true personal digital assistant should be able to:

1. Find my car keys
2. Iron my shirts and pick up my dry cleaning
3. Wash my car
4. Clean my bathroom
5. Get me laid
6. Get me courtside seats at the Lakers games
7. Stand in line for me at the movies while I park

I'd gladly pay $699 for that. What is a PocketPC going to do for me? Remind me that I have nothing planned for the next five weekends and that no one returns my calls? Yeah, that's useful.

:p
 
Ok there has been a lot of talk on this site about what would be nice or what would be cool for a newton revival but lets really spec this thing out...

+A nice Intel XScale or a TI OMAP.

+An awsome Hitatchi 4Gb Microdrive

+Of course Bluetooh

+Some Airport Extreme (No Duh!)

+A kick ass lcd display

+Now lets see about audio....Headphone Jack, Built in speakers and mic

+Dont forget expansion...(but who needs it with a 4gb hitatch)...maybe a compact flash slot.

+What about possiable expansion? Dont worry I have thought of that! How about a GPS System and a Camera

+And for applications, iTunes (Download and Play Only), iMovie (Play Only), iPhoto (Orginize and View Only), Finder, Terminal, iChatAV (Aim, Sound, Video...yes thats right I said Video), Apple Works, iCal and a yet to be named killer app.
 
L2GX said:
Basically tablet pcs CAN be more expensive because they have a totally different technology and use than laptops.
Most of them are built around wacom tablets, and if you compare the price of those to a normal lcd screen you'll see the price of tablets was dead-on.

I'm not debateing that, I'm just saying that price is the primary reason for lack of sales. If HP were to make a tablet and a laptop the same price it would cost them. I do believe, however, that tablet pcs with smaller screens could be made at a smaller price point (have the same laptop technology, just be a smaller screen, say Newton-sized) as an introduction to tablet technology.
 
pda's sales dropping

gola said
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Personally I don´t think the PDA idea has much of a future anymore. The extended mobile phone or extended ipod might still generate some interest.
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Statistically true but then the mobile version of windoze xp has created a new market for pad based PC's :rolleyes:

In some ways the Newton is basically a second generation of pad based pc's (fully pcmcia expandable, powerful,great handwriting recognition, support for external keyboards, internal modems/ethernet cards/bluetooth/... ) as the next thing a pad based pc is going to want to be is smaller - remember those early laptops - some reached 20lbs!!! :eek:

Have we seen that the Newt was not only years ahead of the PDA market but years ahead of the pad based pc :p
 
iPost said:
Handwriting recognition is so 20th century.

My PDA should be able to read my mind! Forget about handwriting... I want thought recognition!

Also, a true personal digital assistant should be able to:

1. Find my car keys
2. Iron my shirts and pick up my dry cleaning
3. Wash my car
4. Clean my bathroom
5. Get me laid
6. Get me courtside seats at the Lakers games
7. Stand in line for me at the movies while I park

I'd gladly pay $699 for that. What is a PocketPC going to do for me? Remind me that I have nothing planned for the next five weekends and that no one returns my calls? Yeah, that's useful.

:p

Sound like you need this, apart from the getting you laid part. (Unless you meet some tech-crazy girl)
 
30 sensors in her feet and they put her in high heels? Dressed to kill and can't go out? I won't hold my breath till these developers get it right.
 
shabbasuraj said:
regardless.... whatever Apple decides on this pseudo PDA device, I am pleased with the fact that Apple has simply begun to think about possible hardware expansion strategies...]

maybe a 2 button mouse is next...

perhaps not...


funny cause they just came out with one today :)
 
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