Next A9-Based iPhone Predicted to Have 12MP Camera, 2GB RAM, Rose Gold and More, Mass Production in August

[oldmacs]

It's selling well because it's usually free or for $1 and not because of tiny 4". If the free offer applies to the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone then people would easily opt for those instead.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-iphone-5s-16gb-cell-phone-silver-sprint/1752282.p?id=1219063236416&skuId=1752282

They'd opt for them as the 6 is a newer faster phone.

You would need a 6 in 4 inches to test the number of people who would choose it.

I'd be one of them for sure. 4 inches is the perfect size for many, or it is closer to perfection than 4.7 and 5.5 anyway.

 

[NikeTalk]

Have we gotten its gonna have a projection screen rumors yet??

 

[mcarling]

Sales figures show Apple selling tens of millions with the smaller screen, even though they aren't the latest tech. I don't think anyone believes that the smaller one would be their biggest seller, just that it's a significant enough number to justify the product.

Or because larger screens are an excuse to keep prices higher. You really think that companies always give in to consumer demand as opposed to trying to force people to buy what they want to sell?

Best post in this thread!!!

Definitely will be selling for 3 years in the US. It's just how the carrier model works here.

No past iPhone has ever remained on sale in the US for a full three years, so I have no idea what might be the basis for your certainty about the future. The only iPhone model that was ever available for more than three years was the iPhone 4, but 1) no single capacity version was ever available for a full three years, 2) production probably didn't exceed three years, and 3) it was available in the US for only about two years. To count the iPhone 4 as available for three years and three months (the longest possible time that could be counted), one must start with availability of the 16GB and 32GB models in the US and end with the availability of the 8GB model in India.

 

[Keirasplace]

Yes! Already rendering at the resolution so no real performance hit, give us more PPI!

Because obviously less battery is something we all look forward too... (sic)
(i.e. : there is a performance hit)

As for PPI, most extreme PPI studies were made on off the chart contrast black on white printed material in good light. No real studies have been made with the type of screens in current cell phones. Yet, it's PPI PPI PPI, hip hip hoorah, like some weird Pipi longstocking mantra...

Not to mention that there's the issue that a higher PPI screen is often linked to a newer screen improved for whatever other reason. Which makes reasonably assigning visual improvements to resolution iffy at best.


That's why I always laugh at people who pull out "studies tell us some people can see up to 600PPI (or more), well "some" can (a quite small number), that omit to factor in that those people are NOT looking at a LCD or AMOLED glass screen.

I'd much prefer they improve battery life than boost resolution and I'm expecting Apple will continue to use real data instead of gut feeling data (like they've done with the camera), in setting their hardware specs.

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Probably one of the minority but until they redesign the back of the phone I'm going to wait. The protruding lens and ugly antenna lines really puts me off. The iPhone 5/5s was alright but the 4/4s was still the best. And no, I shouldn't have to put a case on to cover it.

So, you want a thicker phone or a worse camera too then. You'll have to pick one or the other.

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Don't get too worked up. It's just another rumor and nothing is set in stone yet. I'm banking on Apple releasing a 4" option when the iPhone 7 drops.

Regarding your wife's iPhone 5 with battery issues, take it to an Apple store and replace the battery for $79. Could be free if you get a happy Genius.

Good grief, you can get Iphone batteries replaced for $30 bucks ANYWHERE around here.

Also, if your phone is 2.7 years, there is a good chance battery life will have decreased significantly through normal use (especially if you wait for full discharge to recharge your phone). Batteries have 400-500 full charge cycles in them. If you charge them when they reach 30% it is 800 times, 50%, it is 1200 times.

 

[LouieTheLug]

After my 3G, I've only done "s" model updates for some of the reasons you listed.

Yes my Friend. I Too am an S Man. Love Every S Model and will always reboot on S models every 2 years.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Next A9-Based iPhone Predicted to Have 12MP Camera, 2GB RAM, Rose Gold and Mo...

I don't have that issue at all, even with a dozen or so apps running.

On a 6 Plus? Suuuuure.

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It will. I find the 1 GB RAM a bit annoying when I'm using Safari because the tab refreshing is slow-ish depending on network speed, but apart from that, app reloading is very fast so it's not an issue.



My iPhone 5 didn't reload as much, but when it had to open an app, it took easily 2x as long, so the time gap was worse.

Well that's certainly true thankfully.

However, it still screws me up at work quite a bit when I need to send someone an email (I have to use the crappy Outlook web client on my phone) and need to take a picture. If I switch to the camera it can't keep the web page in memory and dumps it, forcing me to relogin and rewrite the email (if I hadn't saved it as a draft first).

That's just one example. There are day to day consequences because of RAM restrictions where speed doesn't help.

 

[Michael Goff]

Best post in this thread!!!


No past iPhone has ever remained on sale in the US for a full three years, so I have no idea what might be the basis for your certainty about the future. The only iPhone model that was ever available for more than three years was the iPhone 4, but 1) no single capacity version was ever available for a full three years, 2) production probably didn't exceed three years, and 3) it was available in the US for only about two years. To count the iPhone 4 as available for three years and three months (the longest possible time that could be counted), one must start with availability of the 16GB and 32GB models in the US and end with the availability of the 8GB model in India.

You're not aware of the 200 on contract, 100 on contract, and free on contract model? :|

 

[AppleFr3ak]

Is it too much to hope that the 6S won't have the crescent issue on the space gray model?

 

[mcarling]

You're not aware of the 200 on contract, 100 on contract, and free on contract model? :|

Of course I'm aware of the pricing on contract. The iPhones currently available in the US, with or without a contract, are the 5C ($0 with a contract), 5S ($99 with a contract), 6 ($199 with a contract), and 6 plus ($299 with a contract), none of which were available 24 months ago, let alone 36 months ago. The iPhone 4 hasn't been available in the US for years.

 

[lewismayell]

The bending isn't even an issue now, I haven't heard anything about this since one guy did it on purpose, no one's managed to bend the phone in their pocket

 

[dampfnudel]

This is one of the weakest Iphone putdown I've ever heard (and no rebate can redeem it). The camera comment in particular cements it, funny how those "weak" cameras always wind on top on all camera site's review, those that actually know about cameras (not Android shill websites).

The fact that the Iphone 6 has kicked all other phones ass all year long by a mile makes your comment even funnier. Guess it must have been a "bad" phone hey... (sic).

BTW, the Iphone 6s doesn't even need to do much to beat the broken down S6 (how many hardware faults now) with the battery life of a fruitfly and the memory management of a forgetful antique old uncle you need to wake up once in a while to keep alive.

Funny that with 3GB of RAM that phone can't even get the job done. Maybe they should have put in 8GB... Like my Laptop...So Android and Touchwiz could actually run properly.

What do you have against Apple significantly upgrading the camera? What do you have against Apple adding extra ram to give the 6s longer market viability in addition to improving performance for heavy users? What do you have against Apple making the 's' model attractive to potential customers/upgraders? Are you upgrading to the 6s? If you currently own the iPhone 6/6 Plus, I can understand how you don't care about what Apple does with the 6s. All of my points are valid and your rebuttal is weak.

 

[hotpotato123]

Currently very happy with my iPhone 4 running iOS 6, and my policy is to only upgrade my tech when I constantly feel the limitations.

But I must say, the 12MP camera with stabilisation might be just the feature that tempts me to upgrade. That'd be a worthwhile pocket camera to have when I'm without a proper camera.

 

[dampfnudel]

Currently very happy with my iPhone 4 running iOS 6, and my policy is to only upgrade my tech when I constantly feel the limitations.

But I must say, the 12MP camera with stabilisation might be just the feature that tempts me to upgrade. That'd be a worthwhile pocket camera to have when I'm without a proper camera.

Exactly what I was thinking/hoping for.

 

[duffman9000]

Yes! Already rendering at the resolution so no real performance hit, give us more PPI!

Maybe rendering at the native resolution will fix the weird scaling issues. We're in May and iOS 8 still has issues with displaying layouts correctly. Messages and Safari still have weird issues with text isn't positioned correctly. This is beyond being a joke anymore.

 

[Keirasplace]

What do you have against Apple significantly upgrading the camera? What do you have against Apple adding extra ram to give the 6s longer market viability in addition to improving performance for heavy users? What do you have against Apple making the 's' model attractive to potential customers/upgraders? Are you upgrading to the 6s? If you currently own the iPhone 6/6 Plus, I can understand how you don't care about what Apple does with the 6s. All of my points are valid and your rebuttal is weak.

Hey, bud, the camera has been upgraded every single year.
It has been at the top of camera review sites every year.
Your whole tune seems to imply very strongly
that you :
- Are looking for "mucho more pixels" (tm)
(regardless of other factors like optics, device thickness)
- Think it has some other significant deficiency.
If not the case, please state EXACTLY what was missing before.

Considering you mention that Apple should sell it for 100 pounds less because supposedly it is not going to offer enough to merit its price (sic)
My whole tone was amply justified.

In fact, it should have been even more curt.

As for your nice little straw man,
about me not wanting improvements
Yeah, I want improvements,
like the improvements there has been in every single Iphones
- Iphone 5 A6 (first Apple developed chip, thinner and lighter, 4 inch screen, dual band 802.11n, LTE, Sapphire camera lens cover + better low light camera performance)
- Iphone 5s A7 (first 64 bit, a major leap in single core performance), M7 co-processors, 720P front Camera, Touch ID, Camera with better low light performance, two tune flash, new colors, bundle apps that used to paid Apple apps)
- Iphone 6 (Much bigger screen or higher resolution, much thinner, much better battery life, camera with much better low light performance and much faster focus with OIS, 60fps video, 240fps slow motion, Gorilla glass 4, A8, 2 sizes, NFC, 802.11AC, top model has 128GB, barometer, phones supports all LTE and CDMA bands)

I'm sure I forgot some of the improvements, there has been so many.

BTW, it is the thickness of the phone and the optics, and by extension max sensor size that limits the useful real resolution of the camera. They may bump up the sensor to 12MP to placate spec jockeys, but your not going to get much in return (they'll only do it this doesn't degrade low light performance).

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Exactly what I was thinking/hoping for.

Yes, because 12MP solves EVERYTHING regardless of the small sensor, the quality of the lense, the focal length, etc. You already have OIS in the 6+ BTW.
Please read about optics and sensors.

I've got 12MP in my Canon G16 and your telling putting 12MP in the Iphone 6 will suddenly make it "the same camera"...

 

[lra108]

Did he mean Rose gold as in REAL rose gold?Or just aluminium in rose gold color?$17 k for a rose gold apple watch is crazy enough.....but ~30 k for rose gold iphone would be ridiculous

 

[oldmacs]

Hey, bud, the camera has been upgraded every single year.
It has been at the top of camera review sites every year.
Your whole tune seems to imply very strongly
that you :
- Are looking for "mucho more pixels" (tm)
(regardless of other factors like optics, device thickness)
- Think it has some other significant deficiency.
If not the case, please state EXACTLY what was missing before.

Considering you mention that Apple should sell it for 100 pounds less because supposedly it is not going to offer enough to merit its price (sic)
My whole tone was amply justified.

In fact, it should have been even more curt.

As for your nice little straw man,
about me not wanting improvements
Yeah, I want improvements,
like the improvements there has been in every single Iphones
- Iphone 5 A6 (first Apple developed chip, thinner and lighter, 4 inch screen, dual band 802.11n, LTE, Sapphire camera lens cover + better low light camera performance)
- Iphone 5s A7 (first 64 bit, a major leap in single core performance), M7 co-processors, 720P front Camera, Touch ID, Camera with better low light performance, two tune flash, new colors, bundle apps that used to paid Apple apps)
- Iphone 6 (Much bigger screen or higher resolution, much thinner, much better battery life, camera with much better low light performance and much faster focus with OIS, 60fps video, 240fps slow motion, Gorilla glass 4, A8, 2 sizes, NFC, 802.11AC, top model has 128GB, barometer, phones supports all LTE and CDMA bands)

I'm sure I forgot some of the improvements, there has been so many.

BTW, it is the thickness of the phone and the optics, and by extension max sensor size that limits the useful real resolution of the camera. They may bump up the sensor to 12MP to placate spec jockeys, but your not going to get much in return (they'll only do it this doesn't degrade low light performance).

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Yes, because 12MP solves EVERYTHING regardless of the small sensor, the quality of the lense, the focal length, etc. You already have OIS in the 6+ BTW.
Please read about optics and sensors.

I've got 12MP in my Canon G16 and your telling putting 12MP in the Iphone 6 will suddenly make it "the same camera"...

I always laugh when people want their phones thinner but they want better cameras, but then complain when the camera protrudes... the whole Megapixels is the be all and end all is also hilarious.

I also have a G16 and it would take a massive image sensor to match the G16. Then there is the point that the G16 has proper optical zoom which the iPhone doesn't.

 

[EthanLMT]

you forgot to # it

Boy that was embarrassing. Fixed it.

 

[kwrzesien]

Same here. Not a fan of big ass phones. Cant say I love the protruding lens either. The iPhone 6 design is just not for me.

The iPhone 5/5S still perform great so not a big deal anyway. But I would have upgraded had they done 4"

Ming is just saying there won't be a 4" 6s/6s+. There won't be. It would be a replacement of the 5c, so it will be called the 6c and have 6 internals with a 4" screen and color bodies and would be announced completely separately - could be before or after the "s" release.

 

[dampfnudel]

Hey, bud, the camera has been upgraded every single year.
It has been at the top of camera review sites every year.
Your whole tune seems to imply very strongly
that you :
- Are looking for "mucho more pixels" (tm)
(regardless of other factors like optics, device thickness)
- Think it has some other significant deficiency.
If not the case, please state EXACTLY what was missing before.

Considering you mention that Apple should sell it for 100 pounds less because supposedly it is not going to offer enough to merit its price (sic)
My whole tone was amply justified.

In fact, it should have been even more curt.

As for your nice little straw man,
about me not wanting improvements
Yeah, I want improvements,
like the improvements there has been in every single Iphones
- Iphone 5 A6 (first Apple developed chip, thinner and lighter, 4 inch screen, dual band 802.11n, LTE, Sapphire camera lens cover + better low light camera performance)
- Iphone 5s A7 (first 64 bit, a major leap in single core performance), M7 co-processors, 720P front Camera, Touch ID, Camera with better low light performance, two tune flash, new colors, bundle apps that used to paid Apple apps)
- Iphone 6 (Much bigger screen or higher resolution, much thinner, much better battery life, camera with much better low light performance and much faster focus with OIS, 60fps video, 240fps slow motion, Gorilla glass 4, A8, 2 sizes, NFC, 802.11AC, top model has 128GB, barometer, phones supports all LTE and CDMA bands)

I'm sure I forgot some of the improvements, there has been so many.

BTW, it is the thickness of the phone and the optics, and by extension max sensor size that limits the useful real resolution of the camera. They may bump up the sensor to 12MP to placate spec jockeys, but your not going to get much in return (they'll only do it this doesn't degrade low light performance).

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Yes, because 12MP solves EVERYTHING regardless of the small sensor, the quality of the lense, the focal length, etc. You already have OIS in the 6+ BTW.
Please read about optics and sensors.

I've got 12MP in my Canon G16 and your telling putting 12MP in the Iphone 6 will suddenly make it "the same camera"...

You didn't tell me if you have a iPhone 6 or plan to upgrade to a 6s? I'm sure you will praise the 12mp (dual-lens?) camera once you get an iPhone that has one and all of your arguments about how more megapixels doesn't make a better camera and the rest of your arguments will go out the window. For years, camera manufacturers focused too much on megapixels and photo quality suffered. We're all in agreement there, but now things are settling down now as most manufacturers are getting smart about what counts toward better photo quality.

Again, do you have an iPhone 6? All I want is a significant (not slightly tweaked) camera upgrade like what the iPhone 4S got. That's not much to ask for given that the Sony camera modules required for that kind of upgrade are now available. Apple can make a significantly better camera, not a slightly "tweaked" camera with marginal improvements. It's probably more a question of economics for Apple to implement than technical limitations, unless Apple's quest to make the iPhone as thin as possible is holding back newer, much improved camera tech. There have been numerous rumors about a significantly improved camera being developed in Apple's lab and I would like an iPhone with one.

 

[nj-morris]

It's selling well because it's usually free or for $1 and not because of tiny 4". If the free offer applies to the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone then people would easily opt for those instead.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-iphone-5s-16gb-cell-phone-silver-sprint/1752282.p?id=1219063236416&skuId=1752282

I don't remember the 4S or the 5C being like this.

 

[Keirasplace]

You didn't tell me if you have a iPhone 6 or plan to upgrade to a 6s? I'm sure you will praise the 12mp (dual-lens?) camera once you get an iPhone that has one and all of your arguments about how more megapixels doesn't make a better camera and the rest of your arguments will go out the window. For years, camera manufacturers focused too much on megapixels and photo quality suffered. We're all in agreement there, but now things are settling down now as most manufacturers are getting smart about what counts toward better photo quality.

Again, do you have an iPhone 6? All I want is a significant (not slightly tweaked) camera upgrade like what the iPhone 4S got. That's not much to ask for given that the Sony camera modules required for that kind of upgrade are now available. Apple can make a significantly better camera, not a slightly "tweaked" camera with marginal improvements. It's probably more a question of economics for Apple to implement than technical limitations, unless Apple's quest to make the iPhone as thin as possible is holding back newer, much improved camera tech. There have been numerous rumors about a significantly improved camera being developed in Apple's lab and I would like an iPhone with one.

I'm going to ask you ONE LAST TIME TO READ ABOUT PHYSICS AND SENSORS; and you actually get a clue about photography too.
Responding to you is beyond useless.
Now, I am putting you on my ignore list.

 

[producerlawson]

That pic on the left looks more like the result of a dirty lens vs. a scratched lens.

Honestly, all you have to do is Google it. My instagram feed has a bunch of photos that go from looking hazy & milky to pristine and clean after I replaced the lens.

 

[HarryWild]

Apple needs to make the same enhancements so both iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are the same other then battery.

 

[HenryDJP]

Honestly, all you have to do is Google it. My instagram feed has a bunch of photos that go from looking hazy & milky to pristine and clean after I replaced the lens.

I never said I didn't believe you. I'm just going by what my eyes saw in the pic.