You don’t like the android way of doing this but yoj want iPhone to do things like android. That makes perfect sense. /s
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RCS is not even a standard. Much like android it is still a mess because depending on what phone you have your RCS is either modified via carriers or through google or other means. I have read reports of android users turning off RCS because half the time their message delivery is unreliable compared to sms.
They can keep that half baked mess.
That’s a lie. Android users literally have this self victimization of a stigma from 2009 about iPhone users seeing them as inferior for being green.
Read the screenshot below I attached to this post from a conversation I had on Reddit in the android sub. But you really want to say android users don’t care about a color lol
That’s not apples fault for users not having a need for anything else. They aren’t locked in. They simply have no need for it.
I have a Roku. I also have an Apple TV account. Theoretically it would be easier for me to get an Apple TV for ecosystem purposes but my Roku works just fine so I have no need to buy an Apple TV even if would work better with apple products.
I have used iOS for over a decade and I have never received any sort of spam iMessage. I actually barely receive spam texts for that matter unless I am using an Mvno or tmobile. T-Mobile network is unfortunately common with spam calls and text.
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Ha ha ha, you guys and your walled garden AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAhhahahahahahaha.
heh. Um..
LET ME IN YOUR WALLED GARDEN!!!😡 /s
I enjoy the garden. I at least know my phone is properly supported and I know I can leave at anytime as well
RCS Universal Profile is a standard set of core features. Google supports it, Apple will support it, and it wouldn't make much sense for anyone providing RCS not to support it. People can and do build extra features on top of it, but the core features remain interoperable.
I personally haven't had any reliability issues with RCS, and i'd want to see actual reliability metrics to be convinced there's any meaningful issues in this regard, rather than just some anecdotal reports from online forums. I've experienced receipt and delivery problems with iMessage in the past, so I'm sure if I went looking for it I could find various online anecdotal reports of people having issues with iMessage reliability too.
I'm not sure how that screenshot is telling me someone cares about what colour their messages are. He (I'm guessing he) seems to have it in his head that there are women who will dump him because of his choice of phone, and he is moaning about that, not that it's Apple who identifies him as a non-iPhone user. If his choice of phone really is the issue, it won't matter what colour his messages are as his date will see the phone in person sooner rather than later.
I'll backtrack a bit on the statement of *no one* really caring about the colour of their messages. I don't mean literally no one, and it might be a legitimate issue when taking about kids/teens in relation to teasing they might encounter. But most of the time I think when people are moaning about blue vs green the issue for them is blue vs green functionality (i.e. iMessage vs SMS functionality), not specifically that green identifies them as someone who doesn't have an iPhone.
I don't think they're locked in, but for me that's not the point. Like you say there are people who feel no need for another app, or in my experience people who are not willing to try another app, which isn't about lock in. And it's not my place to be a nuisance to them by trying to convince them to use another app. This is a good example of a scenario where things will be better when Apple adds RCS to so that cross platform rich messaging can happen through the default Messages app.
I haven't received any RCS spam either (been using RCS for about a year and I've had same number for about 15 years). But I've just done a web search do see there are some articles on RCS spam, so there is probably something there that needs addressing.
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Whew, i think i look for a reason to log in on my new macbook
I knew I was going to have a fairly lengthy response to you and MR is terrible on phones. This M3 MBP is literally my favorite thing ever, but i will stop gushing and get on topic haha***************************
And Much like Android itself, that opens up a can of worms when nobody is really following a set standard (SMS is a set standard. yes, dated but still set) that can be tweaked and modified to see fit thus running into issues of compatiability
Glad to hear that but we aren't talking about you. You are Pro-android and sing its praises daily on an iPhone centric site so i dont expect you to have any issues since you adovcate for RCS and Apple opening up IOS the way Android is.
It's not about Metrics. Ever since this whole RCS vs imEssage ridiculous argument came out since thanksgiving and the beeper BS, i actually have been spending time in android specific sites because I wanted to better understand it.
RCS essentially is basically a poor man's iMessage but can be universally used on any platform more or less so I can see its appeal even if I have had "RCS" in a better form since iMessage debut over a decade ago.
I spend time in these forums because unlike Android users here on Macrumors who sing its praises (LOL), they usually are far less biased about their opinions. Meaning when they are criticizing their device or a Manufacturer they are 9 times out of 10 going to be more honest than MR android users who even when you point out their shortcomings of the phone or OS they have to justify their phone choice because to them even with its issues "it's still better than an iPhone".
So no i don't have "polls" or "Surveys" but as you said above
1. You don't have issues....but many apparently do and have had issues for years.
2. Anyone can modify RCS as they see fit to do as they see fit which then would correlate that if RCS is able to be heavily modified you are going to run into issues. It is common sense to more or less expect issues.
iMessage does not have any major issue or complaints with people and I did my digging through a bit to the extent i have read about Android and RCS. Trust me, especially with this RCS talk, iMessage failures would likely be a big talk if it was having any issues.
Remember most of the world runs on Android, so even if 10 percent of the users complaining on Android are having reliability issues with RCS and 90 percent aren't, that's still a huge number. There's 3 billion Android users so that's roughly 300 million people or the entire size of the US population. I of course don't know the numbers nor do i really care because it's irrelevant.
I give you examples of people complaining about RCS and it makes sense WHY Apple likely has not focused on RCS because it's unreliability and lack of consistent standard (once it is modified it really is not standard similar to how AOSP Android is not the same as ONeUi on SAmsung even if it is based off the same software).
Because using his sad attempt at making a point, likely iPhone users (the dates) know what phone he is using because it is green thus fueling the idea that Women diss guys who have Androids. Which again really doesn't make sense because there would likely be more MALE ANDROID USERS than MALE iPHONE USERS since it runs on 70 percent of the hardware.
People on MR have literally made comments about their dating life or reading polls about their dating lives suffering because Apple "created" the green bubble stigma.
As i told the guy in the screenshot, i have a feeling a man with those kind of views has plenty of self-esteem issues and likely it has less to do with his color of his text and likely everything to do with him as a whole.
Glad you did so....because that's definitely true. People do care.
I'll admit i cared as a TEEN( 15-19) using Android but that's because Android to me at the time was a poor man's iPhone lol. I am nearly 28 now and while Android still has the "cheap/knock off feel" you can at least get a Premium experience.
I feel the same about Walmart. I will go out of my way to buy apple stuff at the apple store (60 mins away) vs walmart (15 mins away) simply because of the repuation walmart has even though I know it is the same price. SOmetimes you cant shake that stigma especially when it is rightfully earned.
Apple adding RCS is really on a beneficial thing for Android users. iMessage is either very popular with US people or highly irrelevant with Non-American people as proven with whatsapp and other apps.
RCS coming to Apple only makes Android look better because apparently Android users get blamed for the poor quality videos or breaking the group chats.
So let's be real. Google/Samsung/others NEED Apple to adopt RCS because Apple's use of SMS actually makes their products look inferior. I don't think Apple necessarily went into this with that mentality.
I do think once they realized the initial status/cult following of iPhones with iMessage, and Facetime and the fact Android at the time had nothing to compete with it (and let's be real they still don't) they didn't see the urgency of anything else nor the need to bring iMessage to Android.
It probably does not help that many RCS implementations are coming from different sources so if you are using Google's jibe protocol you are less likely to experience spam (but then you run the risk of giving your data to Google) than if you are using a carrier or OEM manufactured version of RCS.
That's another thing and a big thing. Many people hate google so Apple also has a challenge to make sure that they are not linked together with Google and it's privacy concerns.
I also had no idea that Google was so heavily tied into EVERYTHING even when I am not actively trying to use their products.
Example: I love Edge on Windows but I had no idea it was Chromium based aka google has it's fingers in it somewhat (Shame, Microsoft sold out) and i was disgusted. I switched to Firefox on my Surface tablets only to discover firefox gets a handout for Google.
I hate the fact that Windows 11 has an Android subset because that means I am connected to google even when I dont want to be.
I am glad (As of now), Apple is not adopting google's standard for RCS
Here is an interesting article from an Android centric site that took a poll a little over a year ago in regards to Android users thoughts on RCs which i thought was interesting. The article(based on their audience anyway, which is a pretty sizeable amount. I used this site alot back in my early droid days in the 2010s) that most people have moved onto IP based apps over SMS.
Also @ozaz correct me if I am wrong, please, but isn't RCS on Android ONLY applicable through Google Messages app. Which means that third party apps like Handcent, Chompsms, PulseSMS, etc etc do not have access to RCS at the moment? Which more or less centralizes RCS like Apple does with iMessage? Please correct me if i am wrong about this but if that is true, then that literally goes against the very "Open" nature of Android. I have to be forced to use Android messages. Interesting.
Also @ozaz correct me if I am wrong, please, but isn't RCS on Android ONLY applicable through Google Messages app. Which means that third party apps like Handcent, Chompsms, PulseSMS, etc etc do not have access to RCS at the moment? Which more or less centralizes RCS like Apple does with iMessage? Please correct me if i am wrong about this but if that is true, then that literally goes against the very "Open" nature of Android. I have to be forced to use Android messages. Interesting.
We asked, you told us: RCS doesn't stand a chance in the messaging game
We posted a poll recently and it turns out that almost half of respondents think RCS doesn't stand a chance in the messaging landscape.
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I don't know where you're getting "sing its praises daily" from. I've made posts on the recent beeper threads because better interoperability in messaging is something that particularly interests me (although I'm sure the number of posts I've made is a fraction of the amount you've made
). The posts I've made focussed on my criticisms of how Apple handles messaging in general, my desire for Apple to adopt RCS, and some rebuttals of statements people make about others who want better interoperability. Wanting Apple to change its approach to messaging isn't singing the praises of Android. If you think I'm doing that, then that's in your head or you're mixing me up with someone else.I'm also not advocating Apple opening up in general. I think its healthy that there is a consumer choice via Apple which is different to Windows, Linux, and Android (namely an established, vertically integrated option). I'm not calling for Apple to change in a big way by producing software for other platforms or choices of operating systems. But I do make an exception when it comes to interoperability in messaging and calling. I think these are areas where there should be a baseline level of interoperability expected between smartphones, and until they add RCS Apple falls short of where I think this level should be.
Disagree on this. I have family who use iPhones who moan about not being able to exchange high quality photos and videos through the Messages app with myself and other non-iPhone users. They'd rather not use other messaging apps. They, and other Apple users like them, will benefit when Apple adds RCS support. And we don't live in the US.
I agree there's great benefit to the Android ecosystem in Apple to adopting RCS, but more importantly its important to fostering a multi-platform environment that can interoperate on key features like messaging, which is a lot better than messaging silos. RCS exists and there should be a baseline expectation to support it in 2023. Even if its inferior to iMessage, it's vastly superior to SMS.
I only started using RCS near the end of last year (almost a year after that article was published) so I don't know what the experience was like in the months/years that probably contributed to those readers opinions. In the 12 months I've been using it I haven't had any negative experiences with it. I do think its significant that the poll was run at a time when there was no hint that Apple will support RCS. I think Apple adding support for RCS will change a lot of Android user's perspectives on the value of RCS, as it only really has significant value if its cross-platform.
It is possible for others to make an RCS app as non-Google RCS apps have existed (for example Samsung used to provide RCS-messaging through Samsung Messages, and carrier-provided apps have existed). But how prevalent these non-Google apps are today and whether its possible for anyone other than Google, the OEM, or the carrier to make an RCS app I'm not sure.
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It is a bit odd (and dare i use MR favorite word: Anticompetitive) that Google limits their 3rd party apps from using jibe flavor of RCS for their various apps.
Except there is already a baseline of interoperability....SMS. It may not be what you want or think we need today but it already exists and has for decades now.
Now what happens when most people (I know i will) turnoff RCS? Or even better those who dont use SMS/RCS at all in other parts of the world where they use apps? Apple will have RCS but if nobody is using it still, then what?
I think it depends on what the obstacles actually are. What is it that is actually hindering others making an RCS app for Android? If its Google then I expect they'll eventually come under similar heat to Apple. But RCS has definitely benefitted from Google pushing it in the way it has over the last couple of years. It may be that once it reaches a certain level of maturity Google opens up their version for other apps to act as the client.
Yes, it was a suitable baseline 10 years ago. Not today, and I'm pretty sure Apple know this is the way regulators are thinking, otherwise they would not have felt the need to add RCS.
Apple will have done its bit to facilitate better interoperability just by making it available. But there obviously shouldn't be any requirement for individual users to keep it enabled. And just because some users might choose not to use it doesn't mean its not worth having. I don't think most people will see its availability as negatively as you.
Probably because those apps don't have the means of a server to create their own RCS app like google and the carriers. Which makes sense. Those 3rd party messaging apps are largely free apps.
I find it incredibly strange that an open platform like google still in its many ways is just as restrictive as Apple, which goes against the very ethos of Android. Hence why i always laugh at this "walled garden".
For me, if anything, they are both walled gardens (especially in cases of google search and youtube and chrome with a lesser extent gmail) but google has managed to trick its fanboys in believing they have freedom. It's almost like the warden gives the inmates a bigger circle to play in a few extra abilities but in the end, you're still in a circle. It's just bigger lol.
Apple is only adding RCS to thankfully protect iMessage for us IOS users as they should.
I dont see it as negative. I just see it as largely irrelevant (as do many IOS users) who have iMessage and use other apps.
And especially if Apple has to rely on Carrier implementation for RCS which has a lot of complaints about reliability "this is user is currently offline" and it not automatically falling back to SMS like it should (iMessage is seamless with this), I can definitely see people turning the feature off.
I can also understand Apple's reluctance and not jumping on the bandwagon for RCS like lagdroid because they either have to give control to google, thus going against their privacy focused mindset (i'd be sick if they did this) and use google's method of RCS or they have to possibly implement a carrier based RCS which for many has proven to be unreliable to the point they are turning it off entirely. Whether it is 100 people, 1k, 1 mil or 100 mill.... that is problematic since apple users expect stuff to just work.
More importantly, regardless of how many users RCS not working correctly affects, these are power users who know as much about this as you or i (or perhaps more so) and are users who are heavily into the android ecosystem which proves a theory I have and have been making on this site for the last month.
E2EE is great and interoperability is even better but at the end of the day people want a RELIABLE PRODUCT that works and works well and I have never seen as many posts about iMessage failing as i have (I spent about an hour going through google) or SMS unreliability as I have seen about RCS which is supposed to be the next great thing.
RCS is not the next great thing, I do believe the US will catch up with the rest of the world and if anything whatsapp or similar apps will dominate and RCS will largely be irrelevant. Similar to how email to send files is largely dated. Now we airdrop or use NFC
A distinction needs to be made between Android and Google. Android is entirely open source. Anyone can use the core Android code, and tweak it however they want with no royalties going to Google, and that does happen. It's hard to be more open than that. But for OEMs who want to sell an Android device with Google certification and bundled with Google Play Services, Google exerts some restrictions on what can and can't be changed in the OS. It's still less restrictive than iOS though. I also think the wall-garden criticism Apple receives is more to do with relative lack of Apple services on other platforms than about user freedom on Apple operating systems.
However, the attraction of Android for me has not primarily been about user freedom at a software level. I rarely bother customising the interface away from what the OEM designed, for example. I favour it mainly because I prefer the model of an OS maker licencing the OS to multiple OEMs over Apple's vertical integration model. I like the variety of hardware choice that emerges from this model. I think its great that Apple exists though, because lots of people obviously like Apple's vertical integration model so it provides a good set of options for consumers.
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That's cool, i guess.
But no...Google has not released its APIs for RCS for 3rd party apps. So it is not entirely open source. Because 3rd party apps like chomp or pulse cant use these features that are found in AOSP android.
Can you imagine being the victim here and exploiting the desperation of android users:
We’re extremely sorry that the iMessage connection in Beeper has been so unreliable over the last two weeks. We knew when we started Beeper that this would not be easy. Regardless, we’re deeply aware of how painful this experience has been to those of you who came to rely on Beeper to communicate with your friends and family via iMessage.
We’re extremely sorry that the iMessage connection in Beeper has been so unreliable over the last two weeks. We knew when we started Beeper that this would not be easy. Regardless, we’re deeply aware of how painful this experience has been to those of you who came to rely on Beeper to communicate with your friends and family via iMessage.
RCS not being baked into AOSP doesn't mean AOSP isn't open source. It just means RCS isn't part of core AOSP. There are several features present on the mainstream Android phones familiar to consumers which aren't open source. Doesn't change the fact they are built on top of an open source foundation. As to Google opening up their RCS backend services to indie developers - if its not currently possible, I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen. As you or others have noted RCS seemed to be a bit rudderless before Google started to invest resources into getting fully behind it. My guess is when they feel its mature enough (maybe after Apple comes on board) they'll release APIs for small developers.
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B-B-But that goes against the whole making everyone chat easier BS that Google was spewing earlier this year lol.
And as i said earlier ( to you or someone), Google needs Apple to get on board so RCS can become appealing.
If by "BS that Google was spewing" you're referring to Google social media posts criticising Apple for lack of support for cross platform rich messaging, it won't come as a surprise that I agree with what Google was saying in those posts. If Google's campaign was motivated by its financial interests more than some kind of openness puritanism, who cares??? I certainly don't. All I care about is the end result (assuming Google had any influence on Apple or regulators) is what I feel is a better environment form an interoperability perspective. I also agree with your statement that Apple needs to be on board for RCS to be appealing.
As to Google not having APIs for indie developers to make RCS apps (if that is actually true), I don't agree that this is contrary to any argument that Google was making that Apple was holding back interoperability *between platforms*. It would be contrary contrary to the idea that Google services are completely open, but no one is arguing that Google services are completely open (unlike AOSP, they're clearly not). Nevertheless, as mentioned, if APIs aren't currently available I'd be surprised if they don't become available.
LMAO So because you don't use it, that means that the feature is not used by many others?
I don't care if it is used by 10 people or 10 million.
How am I supposed to know if it is compatible using the same messaging Protocol.
Apple pay is widely used. I work in a bar and thats 98 percent of the transactions I get or i'll hear people tell their friends "i'll pay you" (every so often i'll hear venmo).
Also keep in mind that 6.7 million people have Apple cards yes i would wager quite a bit use apple cash via imessage with their cards.
For me, yes. Most of my friends and family do use that. Quite often we are splitting fare for ubers or case in point our NYE trip to book flights or reservations. So yes that in fact would.
Yes, if apple has to break a part Core apps (thus breaking a part the ecosystem) to update them for feature parity on every single platform that does in fact lose its proprietary closed ethos and thus become OPEN, which is more akin to Android or windows.
You act as if we dont have customization already. Just because we dont have root access like Android doesnt mean we don't.
Imagine a world where you don't have to choose. Some of people actually have both the financial freedom and interest in using both. You calling it a "lagdroid" shows you have absolutely no clue what Android is like today, and thus undermines every opinion you may or may not have.
Enjoy your holiday.
And imagine a world where I am actually okay with choosing
I have a Galaxy S22 Ultra and I have used android since before most of the current Zealots likely have (2009). I actually recently found my very very 1st android (the G1). I actually the other week wrote a list of every phone i can remember owning from Android, IOS, Palm, Blackberry, and Windows.I have owned over 114 different phones in a span of 17 years (and these are just the ones I can remember) with about 75 of those being Android.
Unlike a lot of people here, I was with Android from the beginning days pf Android 1.5 Cupcake. I stood in line at 13 proudly so for my Motorola Droid aka the iPhone killer (it wasnt). It was cool for a few days and people all wanted to check it out. But i got bored and I got my first HTC (Droid Eris) and that's when I began my love affair with HTC phones (Ironically when i switched to windows phones, I became anti-htc and diehard Nokia).
I was there in the original days of the Samsung galaxy and dont ask me why my dad did this but i actually owned all 4 of the variants of the original Galaxy back when Samsung had the stupid names.
I spent hours of my time nerding out flashing roms on my Nexus (i had almost every nexus) on XDA. I owned crazy phones like the first dual screen android in 2011 or the first US 4g phone with the Evo. Or the playstation phone. I even had crappy phones like the facebook phone(who thought a phone built around FB was a good thing).
I ended with the Galaxy S22 many years later because i realized I spent so much time trying to make my phone do what i wanted to do and to be something it was not and android made me miserabe. Webos was good but died off. Windows phone was good but died off (RIP LUMIA).
IOS is near perfection for me and i dont miss those days of settling just because it sounds cool to say I have this feature but in reality its half-baked. And thats what android is. A lot of half-baked features.
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This is of course making any politician that supports a investigation more on shaky ground.
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So you have two iPhones that cover your personal and work usage, and on top of it you have a burner android for your side action? The real story is your complaining for the sake of complaining. There is no real impact to your usage.