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Wow that might be when I upgrade my Mac Mini M2 Pro to some Mac Studio or something like that.
The M3 Ultra will already be the fastest consumer chip on Earth, these things are gonna be freaking beasts !
 
So a techie question: 2025 is 2nm, then it will be 1nm. Where does it go to then?
1nm equals 10 Angstroms. A silicon atom is 1.92 Angstroms (0.192 nm) wide so process nodes cannot go smaller than that (and likely can't get close to that)

Both Intel and TSMC are starting to switch to Angstroms for their process node descriptions - Intel's 20A and 18A are basically 2.0 and 1.8 nm equivalent process nodes, same with TSMC's forthcoming A14 process node (equivalent to 1.4 nm).

Once that limit is reached there are other ways to keep driving performance forward, such as 3D lithography, looking to new materials, or continual improvements to existing process nodes.
 
They really need to start using chiplet design over SoC for Mac as they can not make powerful chip.
 
This is amazing "stuff"! In my lifetime, I've witnessed electrical engineering go from vacuum tubes > transistors > semiconductors > nano scale microprocessors containing 120 billion transistors. Many accolades to the clever and hard working engineers that gave us this technology.
 
You know what? We are still in need of even more efficient chips in the future. I though iPhones are now fast enough but Vision Pro? Rendering 3D environment in 23 megapixel in realtime and ends up with 2 hours of battery life is depressing.
 
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Will likely come out in the 2025 iPhone 17 Pro Max & M5 chip in Q4 2025.

I'd be surprised if it will be in 2026.

My next MBP 16" & iPad will be on 2027 so an 1.4nm chip from a 14nm & 7nm one.
 
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You know what? We are still in need of even more efficient chips in the future. I though iPhones are now fast enough but Vision Pro? Rendering 3D environment in 23 megapixel in realtime and ends up with 2 hours of battery life is depressing.
Better performance per watt (efficiency?) and lesser consumption should lead to lesser heat with constant transistor density. However, the industry uses these advances to cram in more and more transistors, ensuring our hands never get cold in winter and our cats always find convenient sleeping places (aka cat-tops).
 
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It's chicken and egg with Apple's supply chain, behind every technology and R&D investment one should ask who's paying for it.
Lol, what? So I invented Coca-Cola, I guess. Just because they buy it doesn't mean they paid for its development. TSMC was gonna make a 3nm node with or without Apple, they have plenty buyers.
 
Good question! What will come after 1,4 nm?
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Add a year for the actual tech node chip will come out.
 
I just don't agree with the few articles that have mentioned about possibly having the M4 come out on the 2nm node in 2025. It makes way more sense for the 2nm to be on M5 at the least as Apple just began the 3nm with M3.

It makes more logical sense for Apple to have the M4 on N3P or N3E near the end of this year before moving to 2nm.
 
1nm equals 10 Angstroms. A silicon atom is 1.92 Angstroms (0.192 nm) wide so process nodes cannot go smaller than that (and likely can't get close to that)

Both Intel and TSMC are starting to switch to Angstroms for their process node descriptions - Intel's 20A and 18A are basically 2.0 and 1.8 nm equivalent process nodes, same with TSMC's forthcoming A14 process node (equivalent to 1.4 nm).

Once that limit is reached there are other ways to keep driving performance forward, such as 3D lithography, looking to new materials, or continual improvements to existing process nodes.
It is just a marketing label, it does not correspond to an actual physical measurement
 
I just don't agree with the few articles that have mentioned about possibly having the M4 come out on the 2nm node in 2025. It makes way more sense for the 2nm to be on M5 at the least as Apple just began the 3nm with M3.

It makes more logical sense for Apple to have the M4 on N3P or N3E near the end of this year before moving to 2nm.
 
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