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What the above guys said is the truth. Pick your console based on the games you want to play, not the 5% difference in CPU power.
It's more like 50% difference, not 5% (GPU, that is). Quite a lot, really. That's why games available on both systems tend to render at a higher resolution on PS4.

Not that I own either one, mind you. If I did buy one it would be the Xbox, though. Seems quieter and more robust.
 
It's more like 50% difference, not 5% (GPU, that is). Quite a lot, really. That's why games available on both systems tend to render at a higher resolution on PS4.

Not that I own either one, mind you. If I did buy one it would be the Xbox, though. Seems quieter and more robust.

With the advent of DirectX12 coming to the Xbox Ome and game developers becoming more familiarized with the ESRAM, the software teams behind these games are saying the Xbox One is just as powerful and capable.

Sure it as a slight edge (the PS4), but no where on this planet are we seeing a 50% difference in graphical quality between multiplats on either system.

Not arguing, just info :)

I do like the cooling system of the One the immensely; under full load running any game I have, I've muted my TV just to hear how loud it got and I couldn't even hear it. The tiny cooling fan in the external PSU brick or the HDD was louder than the console itself :D
 
50% is the figure I've read, anyway. Exactly the same type of GPU but 18 compute units for PS4 vs 12 for Xbox.

There were a few articles about it before the machines launched. Basically, to make a console for an acceptable price there's a limited silicon budget, so with both companies aiming for a similar market they were working within the same constraints.

The Xbox was all about TV, Kinect and multitasking apps, so it needed a lot of RAM. Microsoft went for 8GB of DDR3 (cheap but slow) and added a small amount of very fast ESRAM directly on the GPU. This meant they had to scale down the GPU to fit the ESRAM on the die.

Sony went for GDDR5 (fast but expensive), which meant they had no need for ESRAM and so could dedicate more space (50% more) to the GPU. This also meant they could only afford 4GB, so the Xbox would have had a major advantage there, but late in development GDDR5 prices fell drastically and they changed the spec to 8GB. So they got the best of both worlds - the biggest GPU plus the fastest RAM, and the same amount of it as the competition.

Interesting story, anyway. Sony got lucky and ended up with a much more powerful games console. The reasons for Xbox having a smaller GPU and slower RAM in the first place are gone now, as you don't hear much about Kinect or the integrated TV stuff these days.
 
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good past few posts...

What I'm hearing though is when a developer develops for multiple platforms, they develop for the least powerful one and hence they all end up looking the same.

OP - if your friends have all PS4's and you don't mind the online and controller - just get that.

With this gen, you can't go wrong either way (or the last 2 generations either for that matter).
 
Why would you care then? o_O


It really sounds as if you've already convinved yourself, in contrast to all the same sounding advice you've gotten in this thread: Buy the console for the games you want to play.
I am gonna take it back and swap it for a PS4

i have seen a good deal with PS4 500GB, NBA 2K16 and Fifa 16....for £365

Only thing is I will lose the £35 I paid for Xbox live which I have used and obviously can't take back.
 
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What I'm hearing though is when a developer develops for multiple platforms, they develop for the least powerful one and hence they all end up looking the same.
Indeed. Rather than scale some of the detail settings, like you'd get in PC games, developers tend to run the game at similar settings on both consoles but different resolutions. Most typically 1280x720 (0.9 megapixels), 1440x900 (1.3 mp) and 1920x1080 (2 mp), which is roughly a 50% jump each time, hence the PS4 often runs at the next setting up from the Xbox version.

My TV is only 720p anyway, so none of the above makes any difference to me.
 
It's more like 50% difference, not 5% (GPU, that is). Quite a lot, really. That's why games available on both systems tend to render at a higher resolution on PS4.

Not that I own either one, mind you. If I did buy one it would be the Xbox, though. Seems quieter and more robust.
Dude, you really need to learn how to understand technical specs, instead of pulling out a single parameter and base your beliefs on that.

The PS4 is not 50% faster on paper than the Xbox One, and even if it was, it didnt matter as the PS4 is only marginally faster in the real world.
 
I am gonna take it back and swap it for a PS4

i have seen a good deal with PS4 500GB, NBA 2K16 and Fifa 16....for £365

Only thing is I will lose the £35 I paid for Xbox live which I have used and obviously can't take back.
Totally understandable. If you're ever not 100% sure on something as expensive and unnecessary like a games console then take it back (I recently fell in love with the Apple Watch but took it back because it just didn't feel right), it'll only gnaw on you until you give in or accept it. In hindsight I wish I had taken my Vita back and waited a few years for a price drop.
 
Totally understandable. If you're ever not 100% sure on something as expensive and unnecessary like a games console then take it back (I recently fell in love with the Apple Watch but took it back because it just didn't feel right), it'll only gnaw on you until you give in or accept it. In hindsight I wish I had taken my Vita back and waited a few years for a price drop.
Hahaha so true

Not evens sure if I am going to take it back...can't be bothered to pack it up etc....but at the same time I want to take it back lol....I am so bad at making decision i tell you!;(
 
Hahaha so true

Not evens sure if I am going to take it back...can't be bothered to pack it up etc....but at the same time I want to take it back lol....I am so bad at making decision i tell you!;(
I'd say take it back, have a play on the PS4 and decide on which you want to keep from there. Or just take it back and get a Wii U ;)
 
i know this topic may have come up a million times but hear me out....please.

i the other day bought the Xbox one bundle with Fifa 16 as I wanted to own a next gen console. I have previously had playstation's but went for the xbox this time as I just wanted to try something different.

The games I play are mostly the generic ones that are available on both consoles such as Fifa, GTA, Call of Duty etc...but having read some threads on here I am worried I made the wrong choice....

I am reading how the PS4 has better graphics, will be the better console in the long term and the xbox one basically isn't really a match for it.

Do you think I should take the xbox one back and trade it for a PS4? I am still within the 30 day period where I can return it for a swap or something or am I being silly? I know you may say you should have thought about this before you purchased the xbox one....but i didn't really put that much thought in to it.

The PS4 will have slightly better graphics, but probably not something you would notice unless the games were side by side. So not sure I would work that much about the graphics. To me it should come down to games you like. I went PS4, as I am a huge Uncharted fan, and although I was a huge Halo fan it has gotten old for me. If Xbox one has the games you want than stick with it. If not then return. I know this is a had decision as went through the same thing before I bought, so good luck to you.
 
I am gonna take it back and swap it for a PS4

i have seen a good deal with PS4 500GB, NBA 2K16 and Fifa 16....for £365

Only thing is I will lose the £35 I paid for Xbox live which I have used and obviously can't take back.

Hopefully the recent PS4 pricedrops make up for your XBox Live investment.

Please share how you like your new system.
 
Dude, you really need to learn how to understand technical specs, instead of pulling out a single parameter and base your beliefs on that.

The PS4 is not 50% faster on paper than the Xbox One, and even if it was, it didnt matter as the PS4 is only marginally faster in the real world.
It's not a "belief", it's a simple, checkable, fact . You can go and look it up, if you like. You will find that the resolutions commonly used by games are as listed above (#31), with the additional power of the PS4's GPU being used to provide a roughly 50% boost in pixel density. In games where they render at the same resolution, the PS4 version tends to run at a higher framerate.

That's just the way it is. I would still buy an Xbox in preference to a PS4, though, if it's any consolation.
 
If just compare the GPU only, of course PS4 is stronger, there is no doubt on this matter. If we just compare the max GPU raw processing power, it's 50% more than XB1.

However, the overall performance difference is not that much. Also, it has weaker CPU, that means the GPU has less object to handle (which actually helps to get higher resolution / FPS).

If we use GTA V as an example. There will be more cars / people allowed to display on the screen on XB1, but PS4 can gives out better graphics. So, it's down to the users' preference. Someone prefer a bit better graphic (TBH, it's just a bit better, I own both console. And for most of the games, there is no way to tell the difference if not putting the display side by side). Or prefer more moving objects (which may makes ours brain believe there is more details).

The spec of course is important, if there is no real world demo yet. But now, a buyer can simply go to any game store, look at the real output, and then pick the console they want. So, no need to purely rely on the spec anymore.

In general, we tends to believe more moving objects means more details. That's just how our brains work. So, unless there is really a huge difference in graphics, better GPU but weaker CPU not necessary looking better at the end (in terms of what we feel). Interestingly, quite a few of my friends owns both consoles. And most of them "remind" me to buy the XB1 version (if the same game avail on PS4) not because of playing together on live, but they feel that XB1 offer better graphics (from their own eyes and brains, but not the spec). They are the practical gamers, not academic / professional gamers. Most of us play games on high end PC as well, we know what's real good graphics.

It may be easier to understand if we put this to extreme. e.g. System one's GPU can offer 1080P 60FPS, but CPU is extremely weak that can only handle 10 squares. Which means we can see 10 high resolution squares in 1080P on the screen, that's it. On the other system, the GPU is 50% weaker, can only offer 720P 60FPS / 1080P 30FPS, but the CPU is 20% better, can handle 12 squares at the same time. So that we can see 12 squares on the screen now, but lower graphic setting. Which one looks stronger? The 2nd system, because most likely our eyes can't tell if the square is in 720P or 1080P, but our brains tell us straight away that more square means more details.

Of course, this may be over simplified, but that's how we "feel" at the end. Once again, a normal people shouldn't able to tell if the screen is powering by a PS4 / XB1. And no way to tell that PS4 offer 50% better graphic by our naked eyes. I did try very hard to compare both output (for the same game), and found out it's meaningless because the overall gaming experience is so close (in terms of graphics, but not including Live, controller, etc.)

Now, DX12 games are coming to XB1, which will further reduce the overall graphic performance difference (software plays a very important part in overall performance). Will it even make XB1's graphic looks better? I don't know, but I don't think so. I tends to believe that will only make us even harder to tell the overall difference between PS4 and XB1.

As the others suggest, for personal gaming, choose the console base on the games availability. If you want to play with friends, then get the console they have. If still no decision, I personally will suggest XB1 because it's much quieter under full load, the PS4 like a little jet engine in comparison (I hate fan noise).
 
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If just compare the GPU only, of course PS4 is stronger, there is no doubt on this matter. If we just compare the max GPU raw processing power, it's 50% more than XB1.

However, the overall performance difference is not that much. Also, it has weaker CPU, that means the GPU has less object to handle (which actually helps to get higher resolution / FPS).

If we use GTA V as an example. There will be more cars / people allowed to display on the screen on XB1, but PS4 can gives out better graphics. So, it's down to the users' preference. Someone prefer a bit better graphic (TBH, it's just a bit better, I own both console. And for most of the games, there is no way to tell the difference if not putting the display side by side). Or prefer more moving objects (which may makes ours brain believe there is more details).

The spec of course is important, if there is no real world demo yet. But now, a buyer can simply go to any game store, look at the real output, and then pick the console they want. So, no need to purely rely on the spec anymore.

In general, we tends to believe more moving objects means more details. That's just how our brains work. So, unless there is really a huge difference in graphics, better GPU but weaker CPU not necessary looking better at the end (in terms of what we feel). Interestingly, quite a few of my friends owns both consoles. And most of them "remind" me to buy the XB1 version (if the same game avail on PS4) not because of playing together on live, but they feel that XB1 offer better graphics (from their own eyes and brains, but not the spec). They are the practical gamers, not academic / professional gamers. Most of us play games on high end PC as well, we know what's real good graphics.

It may be easier to understand if we put this to extreme. e.g. System one's GPU can offer 1080P 60FPS, but CPU is extremely weak that can only handle 10 squares. Which means we can see 10 high resolution squares in 1080P on the screen, that's it. On the other system, the GPU is 50% weaker, can only offer 720P 60FPS / 1080P 30FPS, but the CPU is 20% better, can handle 12 squares at the same time. So that we can see 12 squares on the screen now, but lower graphic setting. Which one looks stronger? The 2nd system, because most likely our eyes can't tell if the square is in 720P or 1080P, but our brains tell us straight away that more square means more details.

Of course, this may be over simplified, but that's how we "feel" at the end. Once again, a normal people shouldn't able to tell if the screen is powering by a PS4 / XB1. And no way to tell that PS4 offer 50% better graphic by our naked eyes. I did try very hard to compare both output (for the same game), and found out it's meaningless because the overall gaming experience is so close (in terms of graphics, but not including Live, controller, etc.)

Now, DX12 games are coming to XB1, which will further reduce the overall graphic performance difference (software plays a very important part in overall performance). Will it even make XB1's graphic looks better? I don't know, but I don't think so. I tends to believe that will only make us even harder to tell the overall difference between PS4 and XB1.

As the others suggest, for personal gaming, choose the console base on the games availability. If you want to play with friends, then get the console they have. If still no decision, I personally will suggest XB1 because it's much quieter under full load, the PS4 like a little jet engine in comparison (I hate fan noise).

Is the PS4 that loud lol?
 
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