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802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).

it has already been pointed out, that the airport extreme has gigabit ethernet.
also: many manufacturers are already selling "draft-n" devices, using the same specification that apple uses. It has become very unlikely, that the final 802.11n will differ much from the current draft, so todays draft-n devices will most likely work fine at high speeds with the final 802.11n devices.
 
That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

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I suppose, although I'll just use a regular gigabit port if I want to move around a lot of media. I guess it's handy for streaming HD, which is barely possible over G.
 
That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

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It really will be and it will also allow all the Apple products in the home to place nice together. It will be a welcomed addition.
 
Meanwhile, an inadvertent Publish Video screenshot from the first iPhone 3.0 beta suggests that Apple is incorporating video recording and uploads directly from your iPhone. Some new user interface elements in the 3.0 beta suggest that you will also be able to edit these videos before uploading. If Apple does indeed provide video recording and publishing, it certainly makes sense to offer some limited editing/clipping ability.
Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.
 
maybe wifi sync?

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

Wireless N would give the ability to sync files over wifi. I would love to see that.

What excites me just as much is that the broadcom chip is also capable of receiving and transmitting fm signals which would mean that I would no longer have to buy an fm transmitter for my car! I hope Apple utilizes this feature.
 
I suppose, although I'll just use a regular gigabit port if I want to move around a lot of media. I guess it's handy for streaming HD, which is barely possible over G.

Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.
 
Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.

Makes sense of the the recent iMovie and iLife updates were in part about the iPhone, as said at the time ...

Shake reduction on video, linking with Facebook with photos... Geotagging of photos (and likely videos now). All good stuff. I'd imagine the video editing will be v3iPhone capability, and put down to the lower spec sensor in the current 3G iPhone. That and the bump being rumored about the computational power of the v3 iPhone. How hard is it to splice a video anyhow?
If the upload is to a mobileme account/other partner/iLife/iTunes, then couldn't Apple just include a file saying where the user wants the edits, and keep the original file as it is, but show it as the user wants edited, until it syncs?
 
Oh yay...

Even more useless video from useless people to send to Youtube. Hooray for humanity.

iPhone users are easily the most obnoxious bunch out there right now.
are you sure? you sound obnoxious to me right now.
 
Beyond recording, this is a huge step towards video streaming Kyte/Qik wise.
Citizen journalism might take a boost too.
 
Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.
Good point for the mobile iMovie.I just commented in the other thread yesterday about talking with someone who works for Apple mentioning new applications that Apple will be releasing when 3.0 hits (These apps are excluding the recorder application that was demoed).
I was told an instant messaging application and there are supposed to be 2 other apps that I could not get any information on.
All the same, things are getting better and better as the time winds down for WWDC
 
I don't know where you are getting these ideas. Why wouldn't the 802.11n run at 'N' speeds on other n routers?, besides, "n" runs at a different frequency than b and g.

Also, Apple updated the Airport Extreme with gigabit ports some time ago.

The 802.11n being in draft status, all the little details aren't worked out on interoperability. Think of it as the English spoken in the US vs. the English spoken in the UK. We call those things at McDonald's fries, whereas they call them chips. Figuring that out slows down your mind just slightly. It's not a perfect metaphor, but it gets you there.

Also, the option on my AEBS is to have mixed mode, where you can run anything, at 2.4Ghz or 802.11n native at 5.5Ghz. So N runs at another frequency, but only in native mode. You either need all N nodes or you need one of those new dual-band routers that basically puts out two signals and mushes it all together in the box.

And yes, gigabit has been on Apple's products for a while. I have no clue where the dude was coming from with that. I think the old spaceship AEBS may have had gigabit.
 
Depends who "us" is. There will be a segment of iPhone 2G and 3G owners that will moan because that is who they are.

I think people like you are the ones with the attitude problem. Moaning about people moaning is FAR worse than moaning about a legitimate user problem. Maybe you enjoy drinking the kool-aid Apple sells, but some of us couldn't care less about Apple, only their products. We owe no special allegiance to Apple what-so-ever. They are a particularly overly greedy corporate entity run by a megalomaniac who seems to think the end user isn't smart enough to know what's best for him so he'll decide it all for him. Apple's innovation is only matched by their greed and arrogance. I moved to Apple in part because I couldn't stand Bill Gates and his company's greed and arrogance, only to find the exact same thing with Apple, only perhaps worse.

Apple's only saving graces are their more elegant interfaces, Unix core in OS X and the foresight to make a sleek phone platform before anyone else. But if they continue to limit consumer choices for both hardware and software, often without any solid foundation for guidelines or reasons for doing so (e.g. application rejects to 'protect' the consumer from himself such as rejecting the South Park iPhone/Touch app, while hypocritically promoting South Park TV episodes on their own iTunes store) then they will find themselves alienating ever more new customers and driving many switchers right back where they came from. I have few doubts that many of the Apple fanaticists would actually prefer that as having a tiny percentage of the market place actually makes them feel all the more "special" and "elitist" instead of welcoming the software selection and support at local retailers that having a larger market share would bring. But the rest of us who currently prefer OS X to Windows (especially Windows Vista) would much prefer open discussion, availability of 3rd party hardware choices and competition to drive down prices while driving up quality (the true heart of Capitalism as opposed to having a virtual Monopoly on hardware and in the case of the iPhone/Touch, software as well).

In the case of iPhone V3.0, we are finally seeing more of the features that SHOULD have been there in iPhone V1.0 and yet Apple also seems to be limiting (artificially as usual) some of the newer options to newer iPhones only, thus trying to force you upgrade to obtain them and pad their wallets some more. Dropping PPC support in Snow Leopard (despite Quad Core G5s being faster than many current dual core Intels), not allowing video capture on pre-iPhone 3.x devices and charging 30% off the top of 3rd party software (and probably soon hardware as well with the introduction of an iPod that requires a chip to control it that only Apple offers...for a price) are all signs that Apple is all about trying to recycle profits from existing customers by forcing them to capitulate and/or upgrade on Apple's time-frame, not their own needs. Why should they want someone making a tower server out of a $50 PowerMac off e-Bay (plus a few upgrades like Sata and USB 2.0) if they can push them to buy a $2700+ tower instead (by removing support for the PowerMac hardware in the next OS)? That's Apple in a nut shell. "Go back to Windows" is Apple Fanatics in a nut-shell. Neither are helpful or constructive to the actual consumer. What Apple SHOULD be doing is opening things up, offering more selection and dropping prices to ATTRACT more users from the Windows and/or Linux markets, not try to drive them away by doing things like selling them a functionally $800 computer equivalent (for most consumer uses) in a $2300 box or telling them the shiny new iPhone model supports video and attaching pictures in e-mail, but the iPhone they currently own is "not supported" even though there is no technical reason it would/could not use those features, even if at lower frames rates, etc. But don't complain. The fanatics will jump all over you.

ThomasJL said:
802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).

This is a good example of poorly informed consumers misleading others. ALL "Draft N" devices currently work with each other. For example, my Apple TV units talk just fine to my NetGear 802.11N router. In fact, they talk to it faster than to my Airport Express 802.11N! All Draft N routers are upgradeable in firmware to support the final 802.11N standard so there are no such issues as you describe. Besides, waiting around for a half decade for them to 'finalize' 802.11N is worse than watching paint dry. They'll probably have 802.11X (or whatever they'll call it) out before N is finalized. That is no reason to not support it in the mean time. The extended range alone is worth the upgrade.

As others have already pointed out, Apple's Airport Extreme has had gigabit ports for some time now so please stop spreading false information.

That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

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I only wish they had included Draft N from the start. I'm running two networks right now so that my iPod Touch doesn't slow my N network down. The iPod Touch is being used as a controller for my Apple TV units in my whole house audio/video system. I don't plan to just throw away my iPod Touch if an 802.11N version comes out, though so it looks like those of us with G hardware of any kind will have to keep two networks around for a LONG time to come. It's a shame these routers don't include a G radio option within them for just that purpose. That might have added $10-20 to their overall cost and would have solved the problem for everyone. I would hope that future standards would either do that or find a way to keep older devices from dragging down the newer standards' speeds. That seems like a purely technical problem that one would think some genius could easily solve.
 
video, not that important...802.11n was a no-brainer. now, give me more access to bluetooth, snappier interface (the last update was a step back in terms of usability, IMO), and better battery life. then i'll pick one up w/out a doubt...
 
Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.
720p to an Apple TV does, although I wasn't specifically referring to an Apple TV nor 720p. 1080p will have a hard time depending on conditions, and full Blu Ray quality 1080p is no chance.
 
My understanding is that the new N radio that is being discussed would also be an advantage in power saving. In one of the news discussions we had, people went into detail about the novelty of the new wifi/bluetooth chip and how it would have savings overall in power.

I've also heard this same rumor elsewhere with an explicit mention of a power management module. Still, the combination of this, a 3.2 MP camera with video, faster 3G capability (some are saying up to 20Mbps), this will constitute quite a hardware jump. I'm just holding out hope it will have a cortex A8 core at its heart.
 
This sounds cool, but I'm not going to expect anything too extravagant. It will probably just be really simple like the Voice Memos app as seen below (especially since the UI widgets the guy found are exactly the same as the yellow ones below).

And for those of you whining about power, the article at Apple Insider says that it will be a low-power draft n.

I'm gunna have to find a way to get me this new iPhone with an early upgrade! :D
 

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Wireless "n" will be great to have.

No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.
 
No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.

LOL, so I guess they shouldn't include it, so much for technological advancement.
 
No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.

it's been known that apple has "toned down" the speed of wifi for whatever reason. there has also been rumors that apple is going to let go of that restriction in hardware or os 3.0. I'm sure competition with the pre and android will have something to do with that.
 
The new iPhone could not come soon enough. I still need to upgrade my original as the 3G was a big disappointment :(

I hope they get ride of that plastic casing and come out with something sleek looking again.
 
720p to an Apple TV does, although I wasn't specifically referring to an Apple TV nor 720p. 1080p will have a hard time depending on conditions, and full Blu Ray quality 1080p is no chance.

I don't see your point then..? What device is there that streams 1080p to a box that you can hook up to your tele that you are using to say that (other than PS3 which plays Blu-Ray anyway), "streaming HD is barely possible on G".
 
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