Next Gen iPhone: 802.11n and Video Editing?

[powers74]

SwEEEt

...or....could they not build it into / around the edge of the phone such that it sits behind a rubber/silicone bead (or seal)? This would make it quite likely that you would always be able to maintain a decent line of sight signal to a tower regardless of the handset orientation PLUS you get to have a "sexy back"

Boom!

 

[chrmjenkins]

...or....could they not build it into / around the edge of the phone such that it sits behind a rubber/silicone bead (or seal)? This would make it quite likely that you would always be able to maintain a decent line of sight signal to a tower regardless of the handset orientation PLUS you get to have a "sexy back"

That wouldn't really work as you've described it. Line of sight would still be an issue if the back of the phone is facing the tower.

 

[napabar]

I keep hearing this argument, but it's based on false/ignorant ideas. The current developer kit gives you PPC (thus Universal) code for FREE. It requires no EFFORT on the developer's part if they're using Apple's software to support PPC. So please explain to me how you figure that you are going to get a more efficient OS for the future. Once installed, the code is separate. There is no PPC OS code on your Intel Mac. So how would removing something that isn't there reduce bloat? Where is the bloat supposed to be at?

Like it or not, Apple has a responsibility to support the platforms they create. They have an open source base that I'm sure more than a few users would be glad to keep supporting the PPC core code for them. People expect more than 3 years out of a professional level machine like a Quad-G5 so "wasting" resources has a purpose. It's called support. Or do you think when Apple Care runs out after 3 years it's time to buy a new computer?

The original iPhone will be over two years old when 3.0 comes out. Would you care if 3.0 stopped supporting the original 1st generation iPhone or iPod touch based on some "bloat" idea that having to support the older hardware somehow affects your newer iPhone? Does the ARM CPU version of OS X (iPhone/Touch) somehow 'bloat' your Intel Mac also?




Dropping carbon has NOTHING to do with dropping PPC. PPC machines will run Cocoa apps just fine. The G5 CPU *IS* 64-bit so you have no point to make there either. Dropping Rosetta has NO EFFECT on PPC machines (that software runs natively), but only hurts Intel machines by reducing the amount of software you can run on them. In effect, Rosetta is simply an optional emulator that is activated to run older software. Removing is a lose/lose situation for everyone involved. And if you don't run older software, it's never activated. There is no bloat here either. Dropping it will simply reduce your software base. For example, Office 2004 on Rosetta is similar in speed to Office 2008 natively on Intel. But dropping Rosetta would FORCE you to buy Office 2008 if you still need Office because Office 2004 would simply no longer run. I'm sure Microsoft would LOVE that 'feature' for Snow Leopard.



30% is definitely a "STEAL" IMO but I'm afraid it's Apple that is doing the "theft". Given there is no alternative store for developers to sell their apps in, their actions are bordering on racketeering, IMO. Why should "small" computers be exempt from free-market rules and Capitalistic principles? Apple's every move is to thwart competition instead of competing against its rivals. If their products and services really are the best, why don't they simply compete instead of trying to thwart/sue their would-be competitors and milk their current user base all the time?

There is no PPC code on my Intel Mac??? Wow dude, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Leopard is entirely Universal, from the Finder to the calculator. That means the whole OS is nearly twice as big as it needs to be to run on one architecture. The "Bloat" I referred to is the size of the OS.

As for how long Apple needs to support an architecture after they no longer make the product, well, the days of the Mac Plus are over. You're not going to get 11 years of OS upgrades anymore. Besides, running 7.5 on a 68000 with a RAM limit of 4 megs was just cruelty anyway.

I never said dropping Carbon had anything to do with dropping PPC support. Re-read my post. I merely predicted that Apple will eventually phase out Rosetta, 32-bit chips, and Carbon.

Apple will achieve their goals in the next 5 years, I would guess, to have the Mac OS (Note: I said Mac OS) be purely 64-bit, Intel, with no legacy support. Yes Virginia, Rosetta and Carbon are now legacy support. Look for Apple to release iTunes and their remaining Carbon apps as Cocoa within the next year. They already depreciated Carbon by not extending it to 64 bit API's. That's why Microsoft, Adobe, and Quark are moving to Cocoa in their next major releases.

The original iPhone, the iPhone 3G, and the next model are all based on ARM. There is no architecture change there, so your argument doesn't hold any water.

Other posters have already rebuffed your 30% argument, so I'll let that be.

 

[SleepyHead157]

I'm excited. These will give the iPhone some much needed updates and will keep competitors looking on the edge, especially the Palm pre

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

There is no PPC code on my Intel Mac??? Wow dude, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Leopard is entirely Universal, from the Finder to the calculator. That means the whole OS is nearly twice as big as it needs to be to run on one architecture. The "Bloat" I referred to is the size of the OS.

By "PPC OS Code," I was referring to the fact that Leopard does not run or use any PPC code in the OS on an Intel machine. Leopard is 100% Intel on an Intel machine. Rosetta is only there to run older PPC only applications, not the OS. Thus, keeping PPC support does not slow down your machine. Your post implied that PPC code is somehow making your computer run slower when you said that Snow Leopard will make it more "efficient" by ditching PPC support. It might get a little "slimmer" in terms of no more universal binaries, but that won't make it more efficient. Hard drive space is plentiful and dirt cheap right now. Most applications are not going to be half their size solely due to removing PPC binaries from what I've read (e.g. the mail app is supposedly much smaller, but most of those savings come from a switch to resolution independent vector images and sharing other resources, not just dropping the PPC code). Besides, my PPC machine has to carry the Intel binary code that it doesn't use, but why should that bother me? I got 1.5TB drives for a little bit more than $100 each and the Intel code doesn't run so it's impact is negligible.

As for how long Apple needs to support an architecture after they no longer make the product, well, the days of the Mac Plus are over. You're not going to get 11 years of OS upgrades anymore. Besides, running 7.5 on a 68000 with a RAM limit of 4 megs was just cruelty anyway.

Is getting 5-6 years support out of a computer asking too much? (especially an overpriced Mac that used to have a reputation of lasting longer than a PC) Three is a bit short. If they're going to only support hardware for three years, they might as well start leasing computers instead of selling them. Given Apple's "bloated" prices, it might actually help. The trouble is no one would want to buy the used computer after three years since Apple won't support it. I don't need or want the new speedy features of Snow Leopard for my PowerMac server, but I don't like the idea of basic 3rd party applications no longer running their latest versions, etc. simply because Apple ditched the code.

Mac users know full well that many applications don't bother supporting older operating systems and that will be doubly so for the dropping of an entire architecture. My PowerMac, despite its usefulness as a whole house AV server and other uses is pretty old. But a 3-year old Quad Core G5 being ditched in the OS? That's pitiful. The worst part is that Apple advertises Snow Leopard as a "minor" upgrade to fix bugs and make things more efficient. There's nothing minor about ditching support for over 30% (possibly as much as 50%) of all Macs, IMO.

If this 3 year trend continues on to other Apple products such as the 1st Generation iPhone and iPod Touch, there's going to be some unhappy people out there.

 

[AAPLaday]

Imovie?

Surely if they do offer video editing then photo editing will be included too ala iPhoto?

 

[iMeanIt]

iPhone Video Editing!

What we could really use would be Final Cut Studio and Final Cut Server for the iPhone. That way all my colleagues and I can do collaborative video editing and motion-graphics development while we're driving around town! Our thumbs will probably get sore – but it’ll be worth it!

 

[koobcamuk]

Haha I love how people with the 3Gs are trying to convince themselves that this next generation iPhone won't be that good and make themselves feel better.

I have a 3G and I hope this new iPhone is a cracker.

Unlike most people though, I want more RAM and a faster processor. I have an SLR so I am not that fussed about the camera.

 

[ewealth]

The next Iphone will blow you away?

I have to wait till the next babe comes online-soon!

This new phone will really allow mac folk to dance and shout
NO more stingy camera firepower and much more sync
Plus a new-----I told you so a new community feature for us mac lovers-FREE

Pricing is still premium-

Thats all I know folks-not long

Chris (gal friend lives in ): )!!

 

[diamond.g]

I agree. HD video over G works fine. Nice HDMI cables transfer 10.2mb/s.

We know you meant 10.2GB/s not mb/s.

Isn't it 10.2 gb/s and not 10.2 GB/s?

 

[Razeus]

I'm so glad I'm waiting to pick up iPhone 3.0. I will continue to use my first gen iPhone until then. I may have to go stand in line for this release.

802.11n
3MP Camera (hopefully with better sensors)
Video recording (which means better processors inside)
OS 3.0 update

This is going to own everything else on the market.

Just annouce 32GB and my Visa belongs to Apple.

 

[jholzner]

I'm so glad I'm waiting to pick up iPhone 3.0. I will continue to use my first gen iPhone until then. I may have to go stand in line for this release.

802.11n
3MP Camera (hopefully with better sensors)
Video recording (which means better processors inside)
OS 3.0 update

This is going to own everything else on the market.

Just annouce 32GB and my Visa belongs to Apple.

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

 

[Razeus]

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

It's been a long wait. I almost slipped a few times to get the 3G, but I held out. I was strong.

 

[simulacra]

Couldn't those editing tools be from the coming audio recroding app?

 

[iParis]

Third generation iPod touch here I come! XD

 

[Donz0r]

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

Tell me about it, I have the 3G but due to the lack of 3G in champaign I'm stuck using wifi (which is omnipresent in university buildings anyway so it doesn't really bother me) Where did you hear that we'd be getting 3G this year? I heard 2010

 

[queshy]

I thought they'd add iLife mobile and iWork mobile only to the rumored mini-tablet device (as a key distinguishing point), but it looks like some iLife features are likely to come to the regular iPhone (and iPod touch).

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the mini-tablet's versions of iLife/iWork are more feature-packed than the iPhone's.

I think Apple tends to sort of go either full featured (ie iLife 09 for Mac) or "stripped down" i.e. iCal for iPhone is not the same as iCal for mac. I think for iLife, the same thing will be true. Any mini tablet they release (if they do release one) will have EVERYTHING. This of course being my opinion only...

 

[t0mat0]

Where was the word on iTunes, or iLife on the 10.6 specs? Versus Quicktime, etc. If iLife is a March once a year cycle, it doesn't quite sit right, does it?
Would they do a .x update, and add features for those with the new iPhone, on iLife?