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Next-Generation Apple TV Renamed 'iTV', Utilizes Apps, Lacks 1080p?
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So you don't have to get up and unplug your phone from the TV when it rings while you're trying to watch something?
Awful lot of people pissed off here. What, were you just dying to buy an apple tv but 720 just won't cut it no matter what?
Guess what people, ALL CONSUMER ELECTRONICS HAVE THEIR DOWNSIDES. No one is forcing you to buy this thing, and if you are honestly getting so emotionally worked up, well maybe you have some corporate attachment issues you should work on.
Apple is a business, if you're going to get pissed at a business at least get mad at one that is actively hurting people, like ****** insurance companies.
I wonder about these boards sometimes.
Guess what people, ALL CONSUMER ELECTRONICS HAVE THEIR DOWNSIDES. No one is forcing you to buy this thing, and if you are honestly getting so emotionally worked up, well maybe you have some corporate attachment issues you should work on.
Apple is a business, if you're going to get pissed at a business at least get mad at one that is actively hurting people, like ****** insurance companies.
I wonder about these boards sometimes.
True, but then you would probably also like to pause [no matter what device is used] and answer your phone [automatically] by using FaceTime maybe? Or play some prerecorded message as voice mail. Just an idea of course
not sure if I have any desire to use anything from Microsoft.
your chocie to limit your experiences.
I love the way Xbox interfaces with the rest of my network.
Exactly my thoughts. My other thought is this is another classic Apple pi**take. The 1st version of iTV won't have full HD (even though their phone can) and then next year they'll bring out a super doper full HD version for us to re-buy, all the time they'll be telling us how great they are for bringing HD to the masses....several years later then everyone else.
All it is is another fancy way to access your iTunes media. Unless it can support 1080p (since the apple TV is designed for large screen tvs) is a mess.
The best option would be a true "all-in-one". A hard drive equipped blu-ray playing Apple TV that could play and utilize your apps and stream your music. It is the only way to compete significantly with those options costing only a few hundred bucks from Sony or Microsoft. Both of those can play HD movies, either stream immediately if desired or download for play at a later time. Play existing home movies on disc, play games and music. Facebook interaction is also out their for the XBox (I don't know about PS3).
If this report were true, Apple would be releasing a box that does pretty much nothing well, and worse than the existing product. The low-def of the hi-def, no hard drive, no optical . . . . no thanks.
Too bad Steve is so worried about blu-ray cutting into his potential sales of movie downloads. I am confident that is the ONLY reason for no blu-ray. If it were available, many of us Home theater enthusiasts would be snapping up blu-ray equipped Mac Minis for a media center.
If this report were true, Apple would be releasing a box that does pretty much nothing well, and worse than the existing product. The low-def of the hi-def, no hard drive, no optical . . . . no thanks.
Too bad Steve is so worried about blu-ray cutting into his potential sales of movie downloads. I am confident that is the ONLY reason for no blu-ray. If it were available, many of us Home theater enthusiasts would be snapping up blu-ray equipped Mac Minis for a media center.
Awful lot of people pissed off here. What, were you just dying to buy an apple tv but 720 just won't cut it no matter what?
Guess what people, ALL CONSUMER ELECTRONICS HAVE THEIR DOWNSIDES. No one is forcing you to buy this thing, and if you are honestly getting so emotionally worked up, well maybe you have some corporate attachment issues you should work on.
Apple is a business, if you're going to get pissed at a business at least get mad at one that is actively hurting people, like ****** insurance companies.
I wonder about these boards sometimes.
And yet, here you are posting
Disappointing
Completely agreed. iPhone 3GS had a Cortex A8 clocked down from 833MHz to 600MHz + a PowerVR SGX 535; it can decode 1080p H.264. The iPhone 4 uses the same core design (Cortex A8 + SGX 535) + additional L2 cache and a faster RAM bus as the "Apple A4". Nobody is sure of the A4 clock speed in the iPhone 4, but it's probably ~800MHz. There is (obviously) no reason to think that this processor - in either 800MHz or 1GHz - could not decode the same 1080p video. Also, given the thermal profile of an ARM chip, there's no reason to think that Apple would need to underclock this chip at all - so the clock speed in an AppleTV could be substantially >1GHz (given AC power and room for cooling).
The better question is: What resolution for UI/games would this device target? This rumor might make sense if the internal debate was whether the new AppleTV would support building apps to a 1920x1080 resolution (while also running iPhone 3(GS)/iPad/iPhone 4 resolution apps upscaled). While this shouldn't be an issue for most apps, I have my doubts as to whether the Apple A4 could handle this resolution for games.
Unfortunately, I think this whole rumor is BS. "A4's inability to crank on higher resolution content" is crap. It claims a tiny form factor, which makes no sense for a home theater - why would you go to great engineering effort to make something smaller than your anticipated jacks (HDMI, ethernet, power)? There's no reason to limit an AppleTV to the dock connector (if the majority of purchases aren't going to be frequently moved). Why backtrack to iTV, a name with serious copyright issues?
What really disappoints me is that this is supposedly the same rumor source as the previous rumor - and I was really looking forward to storing media on a Time Capsule (or similar) and streaming it to an AppleTV...
Completely agreed. iPhone 3GS had a Cortex A8 clocked down from 833MHz to 600MHz + a PowerVR SGX 535; it can decode 1080p H.264. The iPhone 4 uses the same core design (Cortex A8 + SGX 535) + additional L2 cache and a faster RAM bus as the "Apple A4". Nobody is sure of the A4 clock speed in the iPhone 4, but it's probably ~800MHz. There is (obviously) no reason to think that this processor - in either 800MHz or 1GHz - could not decode the same 1080p video. Also, given the thermal profile of an ARM chip, there's no reason to think that Apple would need to underclock this chip at all - so the clock speed in an AppleTV could be substantially >1GHz (given AC power and room for cooling).
The better question is: What resolution for UI/games would this device target? This rumor might make sense if the internal debate was whether the new AppleTV would support building apps to a 1920x1080 resolution (while also running iPhone 3(GS)/iPad/iPhone 4 resolution apps upscaled). While this shouldn't be an issue for most apps, I have my doubts as to whether the Apple A4 could handle this resolution for games.
Unfortunately, I think this whole rumor is BS. "A4's inability to crank on higher resolution content" is crap. It claims a tiny form factor, which makes no sense for a home theater - why would you go to great engineering effort to make something smaller than your anticipated jacks (HDMI, ethernet, power)? There's no reason to limit an AppleTV to the dock connector (if the majority of purchases aren't going to be frequently moved). Why backtrack to iTV, a name with serious copyright issues?
What really disappoints me is that this is supposedly the same rumor source as the previous rumor - and I was really looking forward to storing media on a Time Capsule (or similar) and streaming it to an AppleTV...
You don't want the Netflix, Hulu Plus, ABC, Pandora, and similar apps in the App store (updated for the iTV like they were for the iPad) on your TV?
There are too many devices out there for 720p to really be an acceptable solution in 2010. For $100 I can buy a bunch of devices like the WDTV or similar devices. A roku box that outputs 1080p is $100. $150 gets me a blu-ray player with online functionality, $80 gets one without it. $200-250 gets me a boxee box, $200 an Xbox 360, $300 an xbox with a hard drive or a ps3.
Where is the upside to this device? Sure, no device is perfect but the lack of 1080i/p support is peculiar given that so much hardware out there supports it easily. Why would I bother buying itunes videos in HD, if I'm limited to 720p editions when 1080i/p versions are available elsewhere?
Where is the upside to this device? Sure, no device is perfect but the lack of 1080i/p support is peculiar given that so much hardware out there supports it easily. Why would I bother buying itunes videos in HD, if I'm limited to 720p editions when 1080i/p versions are available elsewhere?
there are a lot of blu-ray players out there are web enabled and provide access to netflix, amazon, you tube and other media outlets.
not to mention a lot of tvs with the same capabilities
I think it's quite understandable if people are disappointed that the image on their 52" TV will have a resolution that's just barely higher than on the iPhone 4. If that's the Retina Display, what will they call this? The Yesterdisplay?I wonder about these boards sometimes.
1080p is essential
On the one hand we've got Apple saying we need super hi res 320 dpi on the iPhone, on the other they'd tell us that 720 lines is good enough for a big TV?
Even with perfect 720p TV content on a 1080p TV there is a noticeable lack of sharpness. With computer UI content the difference is much more obvious.
In 2010 you need to do 1080p or go home.
On the one hand we've got Apple saying we need super hi res 320 dpi on the iPhone, on the other they'd tell us that 720 lines is good enough for a big TV?
Even with perfect 720p TV content on a 1080p TV there is a noticeable lack of sharpness. With computer UI content the difference is much more obvious.
In 2010 you need to do 1080p or go home.
So you're telling me that a chip capable of 30 fps 1080P output is theoretically capable of it regardless of screen size?
Agreed.
No argument there, but that implies that the Gizmodo rumor is no better than that--a rumor. I can fully expect an upgrade of one sort or another, but I find it hard to believe that Apple is going to make such a drastic change to their ongoing... experiment.
We really dont know what this device actually is yet do we?
Personally for $100 (probably $150 here in Oz where you can't get a blu-ray play for $150) if I could get a device that can stream content from my iMac/external drives and use some of the apps I have on my iPad/iPhone whilst controlling it from my iPhone/iPad this would be a great (and at $100 almost disposable) product.
Currently I do stream from the iMac to the Xbox but that has its own issues as the Xbox is a high powered device (and is less intuitive for mrss1m to use).
I am really intrigued by this. 1080p would be good if I could get 1080p files onto the iMac and save physical media (decentish broadband at home but with a 140G limit in Oz) but not mission critical to me. I can see one of these plugged into every TV in the home - well where the TV isn't already a computer...
Personally for $100 (probably $150 here in Oz where you can't get a blu-ray play for $150) if I could get a device that can stream content from my iMac/external drives and use some of the apps I have on my iPad/iPhone whilst controlling it from my iPhone/iPad this would be a great (and at $100 almost disposable) product.
Currently I do stream from the iMac to the Xbox but that has its own issues as the Xbox is a high powered device (and is less intuitive for mrss1m to use).
I am really intrigued by this. 1080p would be good if I could get 1080p files onto the iMac and save physical media (decentish broadband at home but with a 140G limit in Oz) but not mission critical to me. I can see one of these plugged into every TV in the home - well where the TV isn't already a computer...
Question for you: Do you really know what's in the Apple TV's library? Do you really know what is available for purchase or rental? Just because iTunes itself seems to have a limited selection (and note I said 'seems') doesn't mean that such limitations exist across the board. I've watched a significant number of recent releases as well as classic movies through my Apple TV.
Assumptions. You know what they do. Don't fall victim to them.