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Unless they have a Matte option, none of the other wish-list upgrades matter to me. A glossy iMac is just unusable...except as a mirror!

And I think Blu-ray is still a bag of hurt.
 
Really? That thing always reminded me of the damn Pixar lamp for some reason. I hated that one.

How do you not like the iMac G4? I still have mine, and every person that comes over (it’s the guest room computer) mentions how cool it is. The commercial for it was really good too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYutehhGknI

I’m not sure if Ive will ever be able to top it. Speaking of the current iMac design, what’s hilarious is Jobs bashed essentially the same design when introducing the iMac G4. Then they released the iMac G5 a few years later (coincidentally he didn’t announce the iMac G5, Phil Schiller did as he was on leave from Apple).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMV6glb23kg#t=05m04s

Schiller introducing the iMac G5 and attempting to convince the audience that it was inspired by the iPod:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL46PTX6Ps4
 
Price Reductions

I first purchased Apple products with an iPod Nano > then an Apple TV > then an iPhone 3G. I want to buy a Mac but price compared to PC's hasn't been worth it yet. Just purchased a new Windows laptop last month for $300 (and it works just fine, btw). I don't expect to ever see a Mac in that range, but a price reduction of any amount will help the next time I'm looking to buy again. It's good to see Microsoft lighting the fire under Apple's rear and forcing competitive price reductions.
 
Eco iMac

To make a truly Eco iMac, Apple should allow for the computer and LCD monitor to be separate. A good quality monitor will outlive the speed of the computer.

Another mater is that while the monitor can be tilted, it can not be raised up and down. This has been an issue with ALL iMac's. Something that Apple designs fail to address. I had my first iMac/G3 sitting on top of an old Performa as it looked nicer sitting on that than a NYC phonebook.

So, any improvement to an iMac should focus around the monitor. I think the computer should be a "box" below the monitor (like my old iMac/G3 that sat on top of a much older Performa) and where the monitor can be re-used with the next purchase.

Yes, the Mac mini already exists, but it also does not have as powerful components and the Pro line is "too much muscle" and too expensive for most users. So, the iMac has the right price point, but marrying it to the monitor is a poor decision.
 
I'm still a bigger fan of the P180 mini. I like the monolithic feel.

I got my tower up to 3.5 GHz last night and still reasonably quiet.

Could you grab me a picture of a a P180 mini, because I'm getting mixed results on Google images.

If I was 15, it might be cool. Now I just want a computer to be quiet and stay out of the way. That Alienware is a beast that draws way too much attention in a room.

I agree, I want my computer out of the way, but only if it looks really crappy. All my computers look pretty good (Studio 540, Mac mini, PowerMac G4), so I like to display them. IMO, the Aurora ALX looks good, and I'd want to display it. But I still don't get why people put lights on their computers.


Only superior in certain areas. I would never use a Mac in a business environment. I would never use Windows for movies, photos and the like. Macs are far inferior when it comes to games. Windows' control panels lack good ergonomics.

blackpond said:
I first purchased Apple products with an iPod Nano > then an Apple TV > then an iPhone 3G. I want to buy a Mac but price compared to PC's hasn't been worth it yet. Just purchased a new Windows laptop last month for $300 (and it works just fine, btw). I don't expect to ever see a Mac in that range, but a price reduction of any amount will help the next time I'm looking to buy again. It's good to see Microsoft lighting the fire under Apple's rear and forcing competitive price reductions.

Look in the refurb store for a better deal if you haven't already. Also check Craigslist or eBay.
 
Could you grab me a picture of a a P180 mini, because I'm getting mixed results on Google images.
NewEgg does the case justice with their pictures.

It's a very heavy Micro ATX case with a 200 mm and 120 mm exhaust. I'm not at home but someone did a very nice water cooling mod by taking out all the drive bays on top. I have a 120mm intake and two hard drives in it right now.

You loose the lower drive carriage with longer video cards but the case an accomodate even the longest ones.
 
To make a truly Eco iMac, Apple should allow for the computer and LCD monitor to be separate. A good quality monitor will outlive the speed of the computer.

Another mater is that while the monitor can be tilted, it can not be raised up and down. This has been an issue with ALL iMac's. Something that Apple designs fail to address. I had my first iMac/G3 sitting on top of an old Performa as it looked nicer sitting on that than a NYC phonebook.

So, any improvement to an iMac should focus around the monitor. I think the computer should be a "box" below the monitor (like my old iMac/G3 that sat on top of a much older Performa) and where the monitor can be re-used with the next purchase.

Yes, the Mac mini already exists, but it also does not have as powerful components and the Pro line is "too much muscle" and too expensive for most users. So, the iMac has the right price point, but marrying it to the monitor is a poor decision.
Um, I think part of the significance of the latest iMac's has been the merging of the screen and system unit as 1, and it's here to stay. Poor decision to you maybe, but the sales numbers speak for themselves. You're basically asking for a more powerful Mac Mini.

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Sooo...

Aside from the tech supremacy (which I love and use), the iMac is ALREADY THE PRETTIEST, COOLEST DESKTOP COMPUTER THERE IS... I haven't found a match yet of any other brand... And it's been so since 2007 (and even before, with the older models)

So, how make it better, industrial-design-wise?

Last year's hardware is tech supremacy? :confused:
 
I'll buy a new iMac if:

the bottom-of-the-barrel iMac model finally gets below $1000...and the bottom-of-the-barrel has a decent/above average cpu and ram config (4gig ram) than what Apple has been traditionally shipping with low end iMacs and earning profit margins hand over fist (which is fine, but I haven't bought yet)...and the bottom-of-the-barrel has far larger drive than the 320gig they ship on the current bottom-of-the-barrel...would like to see the barebones ship with a 640gig drive (after all, I can't change it) or larger. 20" monitor would still be ok but a 24" would be nicer. I own a sweet 24" already and it's really not that big given most friend's homes I visit have a 20" or larger connected to every pc if they've purchased in the past year. It would be nice if the new iMacs would be created to allow me to slip in a 2nd 2.5" laptop drive like my non-Apple laptop so I can add more storage or use it for better performance with video rendering.


I'm not sure why everyone is so gaga over Bluray:

a)there are people out there that own more than 10 BR titles?
b)there are people out there that want to watch movies (consistently since you are asking for the feature) on a 20" monitor/tv/screen? College kids would be the only folks I can think of. Movies on such a small 20" or 24" screen more than once a month?...sure...I can see it for a minority of consumers...but NEEDING BR?
c)the format is far from popular let alone killing the dvd format
d)it's extremely expensive to buy blank BR discs (for data or movie purposes) plus extremely expensive to buy a BR BURNER...and BR has been out for years and won "the war" in January 2008


I think Apple (and people in general) are holding out on BR since it's been very slow (for numerous reasons) to be adopted.
 
Only superior in certain areas. I would never use a Mac in a business environment. I would never use Windows for movies, photos and the like.

We're an all mac shop here for production work. In fact, most of the businesses in my area are mac based! ;)

Macs are far inferior when it comes to games.

Yeah, all the games that I play on Xbox 360 come out way later, if at all on the mac.

Oh wait, that's why I have a game console! :D
 
I'm really excited about new iMac's. Not ready to buy just yet but maybe by Dec / Jan. A bit disappointed to hear that there is still no Quad Core. Otherwise I'm hoping for Blu-ray and and LED backlit screens.
 
I would love to see Apple put some of those new 1TB 12.5mm 2.5" hard drives into the iMac. I reckon they might be able to fit two of them into an iMac. This would make it thinner, while giving the ability to do some sort of RAID set up for redundancy.

That is what I would love to see..
 
Man...to all the people saying you can't see a difference between blu ray and DVD unless you're using a TV over 50 inches...

You either.

A) Are making excuses for Apple being years behind the times.
B) Have never in your life seen a blu ray on anything.
C) Have ridiculously bad eye sight.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care at all if Apple adds Blu ray or not. I don't watch movies on a computer. However to suggest it's "hard" or that (even worse) you CAN'T see any difference on a sub 50" screen is completely absurd, to put it gently.
Well, I'm sorry to say (for you) that there is some truth to that statement about needing a TV over 50" to make use of HDTV. The critical factor being the viewing conditions -- the brightness of the room, the contrast in the image, and the viewing distance. That last -- the viewing distance -- is of critical importance because most people sit far enough away from their TVs that they can't really see any resolution difference between standard definition TV and HDTV. If you'd like some expert commentary on this subject I'd recommend that you listen to the following MP3/podcast on HDTV resolution:

http://www.theschubinreport.com/archive/07AM06-theschubinreport.mp3

Note, however, that there is more to HDTV image quality than just source resolution. So, even without a 50" TV you're likely to see differences. Nevertheless, your A, B, and C points are largely without merit.
 
Simply put, all-in-ones suck. Wake me up when Apple comes out with an affordable tower.

Why? Because the limited space doesn't allow the best hardware from making it's way inside? Or because it can't be cooled as effectively? Or what, because the iPhone is an all-in-one device and it doesn't suck, its not perfect, but definitely doesn't suck, and neither does the iMac. The iMac, like a laptop, is a compromise between form and function, and people have embraced and accepted that for exactly what it's supposed to accomplish; simplicity. I do agree that perhaps they should offer similar specs that the iMac's have, but for the Mac Pro line, so that people who don't want a compromise, or the prettiest computer, would be satisfied too. They could call their lesser Mac towers just 'the Mac', and the more expensive dual core+ models could continue to be called Mac Pro's.
 
a)there are people out there that own more than 10 BR titles?

Yes, about 50 right now. I haven't bought a DVD if the BD was available in years.

Once you watch 1080p from a high bitrate source, you'll never want to watch another 300Kpixel movie upscaled to 2Mpixel again.


b)there are people out there that want to watch movies (consistently since you are asking for the feature) on a 20" monitor/tv/screen?

Yes. My big laptop has a 1920x1200 screen, so I see the native goodness of BD.

More to the point, I only have the BD of many movies - I need a BD drive if I want to watch it on the laptop. Whichever system I have, I'd rather see BD at native resolution (or downscaled to a smaller screen) instead of the 307Kpixel DVD images upscaled to 2 Mpixel.


c)the format is far from popular let alone killing the dvd format

The earlier pie chart showed BD with a +91% growth rate. That's phenomenal.


d)it's extremely expensive to buy blank BR discs (for data or movie purposes) plus extremely expensive to buy a BR BURNER...and BR has been out for years and won "the war" in January 2008.

Not relevant to anyone wanting to watch BD (it's "BD", not "BR") movies that they own. Citing the prices of BD-RE drives and media is pure FUD.

BD-RE blanks are currently around $3 for a 25-pack. Since I can remember spending $5 for a single CD-R blank, that's pretty good for this stage in the rollout.

BD drives are under $90 at retail, burners under $160. Not much for a "premium" brand like Apple.
 
Well, I'm sorry to say (for you) that there is some truth to that statement about needing a TV over 50" to make use of HDTV. The critical factor being the viewing conditions -- the brightness of the room, the contrast in the image, and the viewing distance. That last -- the viewing distance -- is of critical importance because most people sit far enough away from their TVs that they can't really see any resolution difference between standard definition TV and HDTV. If you'd like some expert commentary on this subject I'd recommend that you listen to the following MP3/podcast on HDTV resolution:

http://www.theschubinreport.com/archive/07AM06-theschubinreport.mp3

Note, however, that there is more to HDTV image quality than just source resolution. So, even without a 50" TV you're likely to see differences. Nevertheless, your A, B, and C points are largely without merit.

Let me say one thing about these new wave of HDTV's with motion rendering engines and processors.....NOW THEY offer a difference you can really see.
 
Not relevant to anyone wanting to watch BD (it's "BD", not "BR") movies that they own. Citing the prices of BD-RE drives and media is pure FUD.

BD-RE blanks are currently around $3 for a 25-pack. Since I can remember spending $5 for a single CD-R blank, that's pretty good for this stage in the rollout.

BD drives are under $90 at retail, burners under $160. Not much for a "premium" brand like Apple.
When the DVD burners hit $99 for a x16 one I jumped onto that wagon.

The BD burners are getting close to that point. I go to Fry's sometimes and have to pry myself away from a BD-RE with 25 GB of rewritable storage. I have my collection of 5 DVD+RWs that I just keep reusing for temporary stuff.

Shake 'n' Bake here's that P180 mini water cooled kit. It can put a Mac Pro to shame. It's based on X58. The White P180 mini just went on sale at Fry's for about $80. It has seen massive price drops in the last few months from $120.
 

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end of chin, plz
i dont think they gonna include the blu-ray driver, if so, we need to buy the software to play or burn blu-ray disk for extra:confused:
Personally, I love the chin. It makes the computer look so much better.
Does Anyone think these are just rumors?????
NO?! :rolleyes:
Im not sure we should put more into BR movie discs or players
according to Endgaget and VIDEOBUSINESS Q1,2 sales of BR to July 1 are abysmal;
despite being pushed like crazy BR's share of the pie is still 13% BR and DVD 87% market share

Even VOD/DDL are leaving BR WAY behind

1. DVD sales to date..........................$5 Billion
2. Video on Demand/DDL sales to date: $968 million (!)
3. BR sales to date.............................$410 million

A truer pie graph would show:

1. DVD sales.........85%
2. VOD/DDL sales..11% (and this is really only just getting off the ground)
3. BR sales............4%

a ROUGH figure
Since a VOD/DDL purchase is generally a LOT less expensive that buying a BR-that means it took a MASSIVE number MORE buyers to hit that near to one billion sales figure
Now ALL optical media sales are down at about 4%
But that doesnt hurt DVD much-but it kill BR-even if sales are rising(......?)
They must be rising a LOT slower than if the economy where OK
But I think it may be too little too late

With this XMas expected to be the worst ever, and the economy dropping still
BR, already being heavily subsidized by a deeply ailing SONY, could bite the dust

When things get tougher in discretionary spending, DVD has the cushion of near a Billion already familiar-and installed players-no need for all-new equipment;
Not sure what BR share has but its probably miniscule and the nations wallets are pretty much locked shut on entertainment electronics

But the REAL death knell for BR is that the young upstart VOD sales are closing in on one billion in sales-which really came into its won in just this year;
And everyone and their brother are jumping into the VOD/DDL Market Google UToob Vuze Stars
DVD/VOD rentals far outstrip BR rentals by a lopsided 90-10%

2009MidYearOverallPie.jpg


Maybe this is why APPLE has held off on BR-then again-it would still make for excellent storage-unless an even better format is on the horizon-
or THE CLOUD

I tracked BR marketshare on Endgaget until they took that chart down March 7, for obvious reasons as BR could never hold and defend more than 13% sales per week average,
in a pie graph of only DVD and BR

http://www.videobusiness.com/info/CA6673480.html


:D

Look at your chart more closely. Blu-ray is up 91% from last year and DVD's are down 16%. In addition, there only hundreds of Blu-ray titles. DVD's have titles in 20,000's.
 
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