I noticed you posting the same message on another thread.
Where did you get that info from? What is the new launch date then?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Next Generation Intel Platform (Santa Rosa) Tracking For May
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I noticed you posting the same message on another thread.
Where did you get that info from? What is the new launch date then?
Don't spread false "not true 64-bit" rumours
At the chip level, "special patches" are necessary for almost any significant hardware change. (Were the first Opteron dual-core chips not "true dual-core" because patches were required to see the second core? Of course not.)
No 64-bit CPU has 64 physical address lines to memory - that would be useless and a waste of resources. (A fully configured 64-bit memory system would need about 200 Gigawatts of electrical power.)
The PPC970 (also known as the G5) has 42-bit addressing, but I'm sure most people consider it to be a true 64-bit CPU (even though OSX 10.4 isn't a true 64-bit OS).
At the chip level, "special patches" are necessary for almost any significant hardware change. (Were the first Opteron dual-core chips not "true dual-core" because patches were required to see the second core? Of course not.)
No 64-bit CPU has 64 physical address lines to memory - that would be useless and a waste of resources. (A fully configured 64-bit memory system would need about 200 Gigawatts of electrical power.)
The PPC970 (also known as the G5) has 42-bit addressing, but I'm sure most people consider it to be a true 64-bit CPU (even though OSX 10.4 isn't a true 64-bit OS).
I am two of them...Santa Rosa + Leopard + Macbook pro in black (hopefully), Come on Steve! dont make me disappointed.
Yeah, mabye some new colors would be nice. I would love Santa Rosa + Leopard + Macbook pro in shiny orange
Yeah, mabye some new colors would be nice. I would love Santa Rosa + Leopard + Macbook pro in shiny orange
That reminds me - I have to pick up a new toilet seat on my way home....
Yeah, mabye some new colors would be nice. I would love Santa Rosa + Leopard + Macbook pro in shiny orange
I always wanted one of those and never got around to it ...
I can't wait! Apple is making me very excited! I am actually happy that I won't be getting the money for a new computer till May now! Happy happy, joy joy!!!
Just calm down and tell yourself nothing special is coming, that way even if Apple made yet another seemingly mediocre hardware refresh you will still be surprised.
If you've been on these boards long enough you'd lose track of the number of times when people build up these long discussions about new speculations (and mutually masturbate each other) only to have the actual hardware come out and a loud croak of disappointment sound through the land...
Yeh, a Santa Rosa equiped MacBook Pro, with 4GB or more RAM, an LED display, high speed 100+ GB HD, ... etc. would be nice. But the GMA X3000 w/384 MB max dynamic video memory, though a significant step up, is a bit dissappointing. I'd hope Apple would do better and include a graphic chipset that exceeds the X3000 with a more robust minimum of 512MB max dynamic video memory for their pro line. That type of set does exist. Why skimp?
iPhone
Works both ways........... we were expecting an Apple phone, and Apple wen't ahead and exceeded expectations.
Works both ways........... we were expecting an Apple phone, and Apple wen't ahead and exceeded expectations.
Will I be be able to buy the Santa Rosa program in my macbook I just ordered or am I basically screwed?
Jumping conclusions I suppose. Thanks for the heads up. Point taken. I should read better. The article Next Generation Intel Platform (Santa Rosa) Tracking For May does mention the GMA 3000 only in conjunction with systems using integrated graphics (Mac mini, MacBook), not the MacBook Pro. So we may be seeing a better graphics chip set in the MacBook Pros after all.
That sounds much more possible.Jumping conclusions I suppose. Thanks for the heads up. Point taken. I should read better. The article Next Generation Intel Platform (Santa Rosa) Tracking For May does mention the GMA 3000 only in conjunction with systems using integrated graphics (Mac mini, MacBook), not the MacBook Pro. So we may be seeing a better graphics chip set in the MacBook Pros after all.
Sounds like some very inetersting news.
I'm personally waiting for the better displays/backlit as well as Santa Rosa, anything to improve the battery life on future laptops.
I'm personally waiting for the better displays/backlit as well as Santa Rosa, anything to improve the battery life on future laptops.
Santa Rosa isn't a piece of software. It's a specification for hardware, in this case the design and parts used in the motherboard of the machine. So I guess if it is technically possible to swap the main motherboard of the machine you could get Santa Rosa into a current design Macbook. But that would assume the battery was the same specifications, the placement of the other components (hard drive, optical drive) were the same, that the placement of the CPU and chipsets are in the same locations as the fans and vents on the existing case, that the old case even has the ability to keep the chips cool enough...
In other words, it wont be possible. Too many variables that are sure to change. On the bright side, the Macbook you just ordered will only be one (maybe two) upgrade cycles behind the new ones depending on how long it takes Apple to produce and ship a product based on the new platform, so your machine will fetch a nice price on eBay when you want to upgrade.
Some people would likely want to see both the GPU and GMA 3000 used for external monitor connections in the next MacBook Pro. aka, dual external monitors.
Right now the integrated video is there, just unconnected and unusable.
Sort of a waste, but external port space can be scarce on some machines.
Dual External Monitors Would Be Dope
That's a brilliant idea. Any idea if Apple is thinking of doing this? Two externals would be dope.
I hadn't checked to be sure, but why would the MacBook Pro use the integrated graphics chipset over the discrete graphics chipset (945G vs. 945P?) Also, why, when the next chipset comes out, would they use the integrated graphics one over the discrete graphics one? It generates more heat (even when the integrated graphics aren't being used,) and incurs extra expense.
Besides, ATI's chips do support multiple external connections, if Apple and ATI/AMD choose to enable them.
As for external port space, they could replace the full-size DVI port with two mini-DVI ports, but that would mean shipping at least two adaptors. One mini-DVI-to-DVI and one mini-DVI-to-VGA. (Since the pro line currently ships with a DVI-to-VGA, I figure they would have to include the equivalent at a minimum.)
I hope my latest rev MBP (purchased on January '07) doesn't become "obsolete" with new hardware-dependable features released by Leopard.
What do you base this on? Last I heard, the teardown of the MacBook Pro indicated it was using the Intel 945PM, which does not have integrated graphics. I'd be interested to know if the facts have changed.
It won't. The only feature of Santa Rosa that even has the potential to make any other machines functionally obsolete is Shader 3.0, and the majority of Macs in use right now don't have it.
There is no way that Leopard will require anything that isn't available in currently shipping Macs.
And some of the teardown sites say the MacBook is using the 945PM chipset, and the iMac the 945GM chipset.
Based on Apple's history, they are likely still using the same chipset across the entire line. Unless you get a clear picture and can see for yourself.
ehurtley said:
I'm guessing the same chipset across the board.
It is an old cost saving measure from the R&D standpoint implemented years ago, and allows them to nail some of the discount benchmarks on the quantity standpoint from Intel.
Which is likely the reason the iMac continues to use a "laptop" chipset.
If they fragment the iMac, Mini, MacBook/MacBook Pro into discrete vs. integrated laptop chipset -- the hopes of a consumer tower based on an actual desktop chipset goes downhill, as does moving the iMac to a desktop chipset.
Note: I could be wrong or right ... I'm too lazy to hunt for a clear picture of a MacBook Pro's northbridge.
The Mac Pro has a 16GB limit according to Apple and the XServe a 32GB limit -- but I don't expect them to use 2 different versions of the same chipset either. Just the way they package and market the same chipset.
Looking at buying at MacBook 2.0ghz Core 2 duo
Hey gang,
Long time PC user, getting ready to leave the darkside. I don't really need another computer at the moment, but something is attracting me to the MacBooks. I'm currently looking at the 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo Model.
I'm not a big gamer, but as far as playing the pricing game, should I wait for the Santa Rosa's to roll out.
When do you all expect MacBooks based on the Santa Rosa will be rolled out?
Hey gang,
Long time PC user, getting ready to leave the darkside. I don't really need another computer at the moment, but something is attracting me to the MacBooks. I'm currently looking at the 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo Model.
I'm not a big gamer, but as far as playing the pricing game, should I wait for the Santa Rosa's to roll out.
When do you all expect MacBooks based on the Santa Rosa will be rolled out?