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So a device rumoured to be out in August we hear 'they are now in production'.....

3-4 months ahead of its release.

Yet the iPads rumoured for April and yet we have heard NO 'they are in production' rumors.

I think we can lay the April rumor for ipads to bed....
 
Dear Apple.

if iOS 7 , and the quality of Mac OS doesn't return soon..doesn't reiterate what makes Apple Different from the rest of the companies.. then you are truly lost.

People cared about great hardware from you when they were in love with your software.

well, that love is dying. clearly apple's hardware divisions haven't fallen short since the dawn of Apple's great era.

but your software divisions are in huge need of focus and attention. you need to downgrade craig federghi to some lower level, as a provider of ideas. but you need someone like that bertland guy, to write Decent, reliable, and nearly bug proof Software.

I cannot state how much I agree on every point. Bertrand Serlet was THE V.P. of Software Engineering at Apple. I believe his departure is as sad as Steve Jobs' passing, both great visionaries.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is an iPad 3 anymore. It's just 4 and 2. So if the 5 comes out, then the cheaper model will be the 4? I can't really see that happening to be honest. Perhaps they will just sell the one iPad model in 9.7 from the 5 forward with the mini as the differentiator...???

That would make sense actually, the iPad Mini should get Retina and be priced the same as it is now, though. Along with up-to-date specs. Then they could get away with having an expensive (current price) retina full size iPad.
 
Completely re-designed?

No.

But do something more than slap an "S" on the box and call it an "upgrade."

I get a chuckle. The 4 to 4S model was just as big of a leap forward as any other iphone update. Adding the upgraded processor/video chip, Siri and the camera improvements gave it a better camera than any smartphone around even today, 18 months later. The only difference is that they didn't waffle between round and square to round to square again and people flipped a lid. I think you succumb to marketing just a little too easy. You probably get excited about soccer when they say "SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY", amiright?
 
Anybody know about the Best Buy 30 day return policy? Lets say I go and return my ipad 4 now, then go to a different store and buy the ipad 4, and within 30 days can I return said new ipad 4?

Two things to be careful of:

1. Best Buy has now implemented a 15 day return policy to compensate for them matching Amazon prices.

2. Best Buy keeps a record of everything you buy and return and if they see you returning similar products, they can enforce a 90 day ban on returning items. However I think only two ipads, depending on the cost may not trigger the ban. No one knows what they use to calculate the ban, but they do know its done by a third party company.

Edit: Forgot to add that if your a reward zone silver member, you still get 60 days.
 
Sure. How many do you want?

Here's a few from the iPhone:
Retina display
External antenna with intelligent switcing
App Store
Siri
Unified notification server
iCloud
Passbook



:rolleyes:



Only if the home screen is the only feature you use on your phone.



:confused:



Only if you willfully ignore all the changes.



Only if you define innovation arbitrarily to fit your argument.



And they've done that several times since the iPhone. Not sure your point here.



Again, pretending all the innovation and changes that Apple has made across their product lines since 2007 didn't happen isn't a real argument.

So basically you consider mostly standard features on other smartphones as somehow uniquely innovative to only Apple products?

Retina display - not a bad touch but hardly innovative. Other phone makers were increasing screen resolution so it made sense to keep up with them.

Improved antenna- it's not innovation it's fixing a problem. Apple tried denying there was an issue and only when that line didn't work did they create a better antenna system. Other smartphones had better reception before the iPhone and after the iPhone.

App Store- I'll give you this as a past innovation because it popularized the idea of downloading apps and programs right onto a phone. Although Apple wasn't the first to try this, they just made it popular. And that introduction was years ago, now every smartphone brand has an "app store."

Siri - A cool feature for sure and built on existing technology. Is it innovative? Not really although it is a vast improvement on earlier voice activated software. Apple was hardly the first to introduce this concept.

Unified notification server - I think you're referring to getting notifications of messages, calls, app updates, emails all in a central location on the phone. If so other companies were doing it well before Apple, it's considered standard fare on nearly all smartphones. And if you're referring to iCloud syncing between devices and push notifications, well other phones did that before too and now most do.

iCloud- Is it innovative? It was a fresh take on cloud storage but again other companies were there first. We could say the implementation of the iCloud is innovative but it's more progressive than innovative.

Passbook - A cool feature but outdated as many other phones ship with NFC capabilities and were working on NFC "passbooks" before Apple ever released a scan the screen style system.


So again I ask for where is the actual innovation? You point out the iPhone the most and yet we see the same basic design since 2007. Nothing wrong with not fixing what's not broke, but that's not innovation, that's just not risking losing the marketshare with taking risks on new designs. Adding software features isn't reallly innovative, especially when some features are already on other devices. Surely you remember when Apple proudly announced picture messaging and group messaging on the second iPhone (which dumbphones were doing years before the iPhone was a thought).

Sure in the eyes of the beholder these features seem innovative and that's ok. The real issue I have here is that most of these "innovations" are old in tech time, so where is the innovation lately?
 
So basically you consider mostly standard features on other smartphones as somehow uniquely innovative to only Apple products?

Retina display - not a bad touch but hardly innovative. Other phone makers were increasing screen resolution so it made sense to keep up with them.

Improved antenna- it's not innovation it's fixing a problem. Apple tried denying there was an issue and only when that line didn't work did they create a better antenna system. Other smartphones had better reception before the iPhone and after the iPhone.

App Store- I'll give you this as a past innovation because it popularized the idea of downloading apps and programs right onto a phone. Although Apple wasn't the first to try this, they just made it popular. And that introduction was years ago, now every smartphone brand has an "app store."

Siri - A cool feature for sure and built on existing technology. Is it innovative? Not really although it is a vast improvement on earlier voice activated software. Apple was hardly the first to introduce this concept.

Unified notification server - I think you're referring to getting notifications of messages, calls, app updates, emails all in a central location on the phone. If so other companies were doing it well before Apple, it's considered standard fare on nearly all smartphones. And if you're referring to iCloud syncing between devices and push notifications, well other phones did that before too and now most do.

iCloud- Is it innovative? It was a fresh take on cloud storage but again other companies were there first. We could say the implementation of the iCloud is innovative but it's more progressive than innovative.

Passbook - A cool feature but outdated as many other phones ship with NFC capabilities and were working on NFC "passbooks" before Apple ever released a scan the screen style system.


So again I ask for where is the actual innovation? You point out the iPhone the most and yet we see the same basic design since 2007. Nothing wrong with not fixing what's not broke, but that's not innovation, that's just not risking losing the marketshare with taking risks on new designs. Adding software features isn't reallly innovative, especially when some features are already on other devices. Surely you remember when Apple proudly announced picture messaging and group messaging on the second iPhone (which dumbphones were doing years before the iPhone was a thought).

Sure in the eyes of the beholder these features seem innovative and that's ok. The real issue I have here is that most of these "innovations" are old in tech time, so where is the innovation lately?

There is no point to a conversation if you are only going to use your own arbitrary definition of innovation.

I listed seven innovative features that popped into my head around one Apple product in a couple minutes. The list goes on and on. You don't seem to even understand half the features that I mentioned.
 
Apple can do whatever the hell they want. I am so over this "having to have the latest and greatest Apple product thing". No common person can keep up with them at this point, nor should they. I am perfectly content with my Ipad 4, Ipad Mini, and Iphone 5. I will be skipping the Ipad 5 and Iphone 5s.
 
I really hope to see some shape changes (i really like the new Ipod touch shape) and an A7 hopefully QuadCore.
For the Ipad i see mini stayin with non retina displays and A6 (and hopefully 1 GIG of Ram).
With the Retina display the mini would steal too much market to the already decreasin( in terms of sales) regular one.
A full Ipad with "Mini Shape " and A7 could be then beside.
I would like to see a Mini A6 Retina but i think it won't happen.
 
Apple can do whatever the hell they want. I am so over this "having to have the latest and greatest Apple product thing". No common person can keep up with them at this point, nor should they. I am perfectly content with my Ipad 4, Ipad Mini, and Iphone 5. I will be skipping the Ipad 5 and Iphone 5s.

I thought this was a sensible post until...
 
As far i can testify my usage of IOS and Macs is changed.
While i'm out i tend to use my Iphone 4 and Cloud services,
while i'm back at home i use my Imac to "finish" the work i started
where i was working.
I tend to use less or to need LAPTOP instead...i don't need that size,power
etc etc,that is when i'm at home but even if my 680 is able to run a lot of demanding games i haven't yet installed BootCamp to game..i prefer to use my Xbox or the next GEN consoles to come.
Thats why i suppose i will buy the next Iphone and the next Ipad mini instead of a MacBook Pro or an Air this year.
 
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