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Be great if as well as the regular iPhone they offered an iPhone Special Edition:

Metal back
8mp camera that shoots 720p video (think Flip Mino) + Flash, focus etc.
32gb
Faster CPU and 256mb RAM
30 hours audio playback, 20 hours 2g talktime, 10 hours 3g talktime, 12 hours video/web browsing

£299/$499 + Contract.

1) Go don't to you local eletronic store and look at some of the HD HDD cams you can get for private use.
They are small but not as small as a cell phone.
Now you wan't all of that, plus all the normal iPhones features, and it still have to be the size of a cell phone?

The optic (lens) have more to say then MegaPixel.
get a 8-10MP phone camara and then get a 5MP DSLR with a good lens on it.
And you are still able to get better pictures whit the 5MP camara then with a phone camara.

2) So you want faster CPU, and dobble the batteri time of the 3G version.
Yes you can get a CPU that is faster and uses less power, but I don't thing anyone have made a cpu that is faster and only uses half the power, in 1 year of develoment
 
A few thoughts..

iProd refers to the new iPhone Pro, the will retain and keep selling the iPhone 3g and offer it at a cheaper selling price. Consumers will then have a choice between standard iPhone and the pro version much like their computers.

Just my thoughts they could easily soak up the market by having a cheaper and more expensive devicenwith only slight capability differences.

This guy is a genius! This guess basically ties everything together..

I wondered myself why they were putting so much emphasis on 3.0 being fully compatible with the 3G when they were obviously releasing a new phone within a few months.. but I mean think about it, Apple is a very financially savvy company and in a financially tight period I'm sure they'll exercise this strength even more. If you were given the task of making the iPhone line as profitable as humanly possible while still delivering all the bells, whistles, and improvements that people expect from such an innovative company, you would juice every last drop of profitability out of the 3G (which is still an amazing device that with the app store and 3.0, is really everything that many people want from their phone) by throwing the 3.0 bone at it to satiate any remaining qualms (MMS, copy & paste, push, turn-by-turn GPS, etc..) you breath at very least another year of market domination and demand into it. I see 16GB standard and a max subsidized price of $199, possibly $99 if they really want to not just take the wind out of Palm's sails, but rip them down and set fire to them.

This would take care of any price gap that a "iPhone Nano" would fill without wasting money developing a half-ass device that app/accessory developers would have to consider and develop around, allowing Apple to retain a unified environment for it's developers and therefore it's users. After all, it's the same simple and unique experience of one-device-for-all that brought and continues to bring so many people into the Apple tent.

With the affordable phone niche filled, this allows them to focus all efforts and capitol on their new hotness, which they'll need to do if they plan on crafting a device that not just creates some buzz on the internet, but actually drives people into stores with credit cards in hand. People are still spending money in this economic climate, they just need a dang good reason to do so, and if any company can provide that, it's Apple. I don't have any better predictions on what will precisely be added than anyone else, I just know it'll be mighty impressive with a few that surprise all of us. They simply can't afford to put out anything less. Expect video, better graphics, sharper screen, more storage, better battery, new case, and better build materials.

And to the guy that can't seem to grasp why Wireless-N would be a great addition, just keep in mind that it has very little to do with any increase in speed. Wireless-N is far more efficient and offers FAR more range when used in a Wireless-N network. It's the natural progression of the iPhone's WiFi capabilities and only a matter of time before they implement it.
 
Your analysis is spot-on. I, for lack of information, took their chip to be a general purpose processor. Based on further info I've seen, it seems to be a task processor.

Just to follow up on my last post, It seems that Marvell is working on a next-gen version of their ARM core in the PXA168 that will basically be very similar to the Cortex architecture and use ARMv7, which at least increases the likelihood that it would be found in devices like the iPhone. That said, it doesn't seem to even be targeting smartphones, and I don't see how it would offer Apple any advantages over using a CPU with a standard ARM core.
 
I think they will be named simply:

iPhone
iPhone Pro
iBook as a revival of the name for their new netbook.
 
Interesting question.

P.S. anyone with advanced knowledge of the iPhone's low-level compiler architecture want to comment..

You bring up an interesting question. I was making the assumption that user apps are already Cortex apps, I now realize I'm not sure what the tools compile to. If it isn't Cortex then Apple would have compatibility issues with A8 & A9 as I believe one or both of these are Cortex only.

Maybe somebody can fire up XCode and discover what the generated object code is.
 
Just to follow up on my last post, It seems that Marvell is working on a next-gen version of their ARM core in the PXA168 that will basically be very similar to the Cortex architecture and use ARMv7, which at least increases the likelihood that it would be found in devices like the iPhone. That said, it doesn't seem to even be targeting smartphones, and I don't see how it would offer Apple any advantages over using a CPU with a standard ARM core.

I'm still thinking Cortex A8 is the best choice for the next iphone. I can't wait to get some battery life data from the Pre, though.
 
sorry if this reads like a 3 year old typed it. it's random thoughts strung together

I'd like to see 3.0 software (no need for details there, we all know what it contains)

I'd like to have a mechanism to manage wifi networks that the device belongs to. Right now that does not exist. Unless you are actually connected to that particular network, you can't change the settings or modify it. A bluetooth toggle switch on the first setting page where the wifi switch is, so I don't have to keep going more than one level deep in menus while I'm driving to turn on my bluetooth. In email, I'd like to be able to send email from mobileme aliases. having one signature doesn't bother me at all really. Also the ability to put a pin code on the voicemail screen. I use the passcode lock, but if I hand my phone to someone to use, it will be unlocked. That said, they don't need access to my voicemails. Also for the love of god. How about a real battery meter? give me running time remaining or a percentage or both jesus. And if they're going to offer "notes" to sync with itunes, they need to update mobileme also. I'm going to be pissed if I have to plug the damn thing in to sync notes, and while they're at it, they need to add a Tasks app too, that way you've got full exchange/outlook compatibility. These are all simple "back to basics" common sense features I've been waiting for, in addition to the ones already addressed in 3.0. Other than the key features in 3.0 I"ve never read anywhere on this forum where anyone has mentioned any of the other "shortcomings" I've listed. Everyone forgets the simple things that makes using something like this so natural. Oh did anyone mention I said nothing about video? ha ha. Why do you people want video? it's going to suck, just like the camera it has (that I never use) sucks. I don't care if it ever has video. they could eliminate the camera too. although there are some nice apps that use the camera.
 
Well, 640x400 is 16:10, not 16:9.

640x360 would be 16:9. That would fit in the same width as the current iPhone (at the worst you would have a slightly higher DPI on the screen), but maybe a little bit taller. The problem here is that it's not much different in horizontal pixels (360 vs 320) from the existing device, yet could disrupt many applications. Otherwise I don't think you need much more.

I simply don't have an idea what Apple plans with regards to the phone's screen. Maybe one model will keep the current screen, and the high end will have a higher resolution ~800x480 OLED screen ... nothing has been rumoured yet except maybe OLED.

Brain fart... you are right, whoops. I guess I got caught up with the laptop screens being 16:10.

I do think it's inevitable it will go widescreen, though.
 
All i want is an iphone nano.

I am sick of carrying around a brick when all i need is a phone/ipod.

And I don't want something thinner, but something smaller in all dimensions

Something smaller, less capable is fine. I don't even use all the amazing apps that I bought for the iphone anymore. I basically just use calender, to do list, ipod, notes, clock, occassionally maps, and phone/sms.

I don't care if a nano means developers have to create new software for it, thats an opportunity to make more money for them

If Apple doesn't bring out something smaller, I might just sell my iphone, get a small phone and use my ipod nano when I need it.

However, i will see how landscape sms and copy/paste affect my decision
 
I can't believe it STILL hasn

I can't believe it's STILL not got video recording at present.

I know with Apple this will probably mean no less than recording to H.264 video at 640 x 480 and finally adding SD Card support at the same time but I can't believe the basic functionality of my 4 year old nokia still beats the iPhone on everything apart from the mega pixels of the still photo camera, the meagre 6Mb of RAM for running S60 applications and the WAP based browser.

Once a lot of people are using the Nokia N97, Apple are REALLY going to have to try harder but for a music player, the iPod has the hands down best interface but I'm not sure how much I'd be saying that with no tactile control of it.
 
probably just...iPhone

if you notice on the back of the iPhone 3G it does not even say 'iPhone 3G' it just says 'iPhone'

can't think of a better name, everyone (even the not so tech savvy folk that don't have an iPhone, but lets say a blackberry or a cheapo LG) calls it iPhone...not iPhone 3G...

same with the commercials, right? trying to remember, but they just call it iPhone i think. maybe there will be a distinguishing characteristic on the front side that will enable people to tell the difference between the 1st iPhone, the current 3G, and the new one coming out....maybe an extra button of some kind? :rolleyes:
 
Thank you

Hmm. The Marvell PXA168 is a nice SoC certainly, however it does have some potential shortcomings:

* It's based upon the Intel XScale, which itself was based upon Digital's StrongARM ARM implementation. As an architecture license (not a core license) this meant that StrongARM was brilliant and fast ... 10 years ago. It's an ARMv5 architecture, whereas ARM cores are now ARMv7 (Cortex A8, etc) and get higher performance per clock. Of course this one is clocked at 1.2GHz.

* The on-board graphics are an unknown. I can see that there is video decode acceleration, but is the 3D good enough to match and exceed the PowerVR MBX in the iPhone?

The Freescale iMX515 SoC, and the Qualcomm Snapdragon, both look like more suitable solutions for a media pad/tablet/netbook system.

Thank you. I was going to see if anyone else realized why this rumor was impossible, and you basically got it. Right now, the iphone is using an ARM 11 cpu, which means it is using the ARMv6 instruction set. The Marvell PXA168 runs on an older instruction set than the current iphone chip. While all ARM instruction sets are (mostly) backwards compatible, forwards compatibility is a completely different story. No matter how fast the PXA168 is, Apple simply cannot go to an older instruction set and expect things to work. It would require rewriting a lot of software, and even then I'm not sure if they could prevent 25,000 apps from breaking. Even if they could, there is no reason to go through all that work when there are literally dozens of pefectly good ARMv6 and ARMv7 solutions available.
 
They gonna add a DVD drive and FireWire port to it? Perhaps iMovie Go??

iMovie Mobile for the win! I also want a 500 gigabyte SDD, Bluray camera, reader/writer in it as well. Also 1080p satellite TV will be good as well :) all for 199$!
 
I thought I remember a front page story from a few days ago stating the current iPhone 3G can only handle 3.6 Mbit/s HSPA?

No the current 3G iphone is already a 7.2 HSDPA machine.
Here is the PDF for the 3G iphone SGOLD3H chipset the X-Gold-608.

http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/X-GOLD...f0004&fileId=db3a30431936bc4b011957c66fee3850

PER IFIXIT.COM:

"The chip in the top middle is SMP 3i 6820, Infineon SM-Power3i. From Infineon: the part is "optimized to support modem and data card applications based upon X-GOLD208 and X-GOLD 608, with features ranging from EDGE up to 3G and HSDPA.""

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPhone-3G/600/3
 
I can't believe it's STILL not got video recording at present.

I know with Apple this will probably mean no less than recording to H.264 video at 640 x 480 and finally adding SD Card support at the same time but I can't believe the basic functionality of my 4 year old nokia still beats the iPhone on everything apart from the mega pixels of the still photo camera, the meagre 6Mb of RAM for running S60 applications and the WAP based browser.

Once a lot of people are using the Nokia N97, Apple are REALLY going to have to try harder but for a music player, the iPod has the hands down best interface but I'm not sure how much I'd be saying that with no tactile control of it.

S60 is a joke. It would not help the N97 if it had a HD recorder, 20 MP camera. Now people are looking mostly at software, which Apple currently has the best UI on the market. The iphone cut the market share of S60 almost in half. They are on pace to overtake S60 by sometime next year.



Hope this helps. ;)
 
No New tangible information

What is surprises me is that this time last year we were getting pictures and reports of mysterious boxes and pictures coming in around this time.
TUWA(I think that is the correct name) were displaying reports of the "Apple Traffic" <<--- regarding a new product, being shoveled in by the boat load.
Maybe Apple has put some sort of Can on the numerous reports that were received last year.
And what is also odd is that no pictures,patents,of any sort of new iphone (Not even case designs) are emerging.......

The only thing we have going is several reports of what might come or what might be.... Even though we are all on the same page about a new iPhone (Just like last year when talks of when 2.0 Software was coming out)
Now we have 3.0 software coming out in June.....
Things that make the mind wander
 
Really. Re; HD

Doesn't aloe have their own idea of what HD is???

What they sell in iTunes is not 1080 and broadcast is not 1080. Just wondering.

I think. iPhone 3D as you will capture life and talk via video. Conference. Could work. iPhone 3d as it also plays hugh end games.


iPhone Adult Video. Now that would help it sell in Japan.



That's crap. Utter crap. Awful. Why HD? 720p on a 3.5" screen? REALLY? No way.

Let's focus on what matters.
 
"iPhone Video" would be ridiculous and embarrassing since the high-end phones had a video-recording function at least 4 years ago.

Unless Apple will equip the iPhone with a huge lens and 720p video-recording, which I don't see happening since Apple is all about sleek design and not "impressive numbers packed in an plastic brick".
 
iPhone 3g already does video

Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:
 
Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:

Cycroder and VideoRecorder3g, the two main video recording apps available to jailbroken iPhones, both have pathetically low frame rates. But hey, don't take my word for it, just spend 2 minutes on YouTube to see for yourself. Including that function at the time would meant a faster processor, meaning a larger battery, meaning a larger phone.

I honestly doubt you even own an iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter, because you clearly don't understand the defining characteristic that makes them so successful. They don't lock their devices down because it gets them off or something, they do it because it lets them offer an unparalleled level of usability and service. Maybe if we were having this discussion a month before the original iPhone was released and this tactic was still untested in the mobile arena, then you might potentially have a point, but if the iPhone's monumental success has proven one thing, it's that the tired old tactic you're suggesting DOES NOT WORK. People are moving in DROVES to the iPhone because it's the first device that didn't focus on including every feature under the sun and letting the user decide every little aspect about it. PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T WANT THAT!

I know it's fun to offer up paranoid theories of Apple intentionally crippling their device to build in obsolescence, but in todays extremely competitive mobile world that just isn't an option. If you want to create a sales successes you need to offer up the absolute best device currently possible, and you don't have the luxury of holding back when you're dealing with devices that have 1/3 the lifetime of a regular computer. Nokia, HTC, RIM, Palm, etc... are offering up new phones on a monthly basis and Apple needs to rely on their iPhone to withstand that constant barrage and still come up superior in customer's minds.

Obviously they know what they're doing, a fact that's backed up over and over again with consistently good sales figures, so suggesting a drastic change in the very fundamentals of the iPhone is totally ridiculous.

What is surprises me is that this time last year we were getting pictures and reports of mysterious boxes and pictures coming in around this time.
TUWA(I think that is the correct name) were displaying reports of the "Apple Traffic" <<--- regarding a new product, being shoveled in by the boat load.
Maybe Apple has put some sort of Can on the numerous reports that were received last year.
And what is also odd is that no pictures,patents,of any sort of new iphone (Not even case designs) are emerging.......

The only thing we have going is several reports of what might come or what might be.... Even though we are all on the same page about a new iPhone (Just like last year when talks of when 2.0 Software was coming out)
Now we have 3.0 software coming out in June.....
Things that make the mind wander

I was thinking that too but I think it's safe to say they've learned a lot from the last 2 times and probably know how to better keep it under wraps. Keep in mind we still have months for some sneaky factory worker to grab a picture with their phone so I wouldn't give up just yet. Apple has good reason to be tight lipped about this release with it coming out so close to the Pre and probably don't want to risk Palm copying any more features ;) I'm sure they want an absolute knockout to come and show the Pre what's up and keeping any surprising new features under wraps in just the way to do it.
 
Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:


Cycorder is better, give it a try. Oh, you forgot to mention flash support in the browser. :)
 
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