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Next-Generation iPhone Prototypes Reportedly Support NFC for Mobile Payments
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If you read through the developer docs you can tell Passbook is way bigger than what we saw in the keynote.
You probably are. Personally I want everything on my phone, car unlock/ignition, door unlock, drivers license, passport the whole nine yards. When I check in to a hotel I want my key card loaded on to my phone. If I do lose my phone I can quickly and easily cancel all access to my credit cards, identity, car, home, etc
You probably are. Personally I want everything on my phone, car unlock/ignition, door unlock, drivers license, passport the whole nine yards. When I check in to a hotel I want my key card loaded on to my phone. If I do lose my phone I can quickly and easily cancel all access to my credit cards, identity, car, home, etc
There's a real fear about NFC as a technology. I'm a bit surprised to see it so frequently raised in a tech forum such as this, but for some reason there's a mistrust of paying for items using your phone like this.
Like the loss of credit cards, banks underwrite your any cash losses incurred through loss of an NFC card OR device, so there's really nothing to fear. In fact, you're better off than potentially losing the cash in your pocket.
And it's got to be better than losing your wallet?
Yet you're not worried about skimming (which can happen anywhere) when you use your bank/credit cards?
As eager and willing as I am to run out and buy the next iPhone, and as much as I love technology, this type of thing still scares me when I think of where it'll probably lead to. I'm sure it won't be too long before these chips eventually work themselves into our bodies or are required by law, in the holy name of national security. Passport, driver license, health and vehicle insurance info, bank/credit accounts, medical records... all "conveniently" stored in one little chip, secured somewhere under your skin. It's coming.
You forgot to explain why this is scary.
(slightly off topic) I can't the see the TSA allowing Passbook for boarding passes at airports. It would totally disrupt their procedure of stamping and/or writing on the physical boarding pass for their own reasons.
Not that I am against disrupting the TSA
Although it's interesting that the only boarding pass shown is from Amtrak - who told the TSA's VIPR teams to GTFO of train stations.
I use a mobile boarding pass from US Airways weekly. TSA has a scanner that displays my information from the mobile boarding pass and compares that to my id I hand them.
Dig, dig, dig...
..data mining, here I come! Now, Apple will know where, when, and how we spend our money, post adds accordingly and slowly shift our spending the way they can get a cut on it. No, just kidding! Apple doesn't need our money after we payed a little short of $1k for their newest device!
..data mining, here I come! Now, Apple will know where, when, and how we spend our money, post adds accordingly and slowly shift our spending the way they can get a cut on it. No, just kidding! Apple doesn't need our money after we payed a little short of $1k for their newest device!
That's because Google (or anyone else) hasn't setup the ecosystem for it. Apple is more likely to do it I think. It's like iTunes. Apple went to the music industry and got them to sell their music on iTunes.
*Sigh*. You really don't want a cashless society. Trust me. Cash provides some anonymity and you can easily lend it or give it away.
I wish I could get into details but let us just say that I have been in the information analysis business for over a decade.
I like cash. I use cash whenever possible. I have nothing to hide but at the same time, I like freedom.
I wish I could get into details but let us just say that I have been in the information analysis business for over a decade.
I like cash. I use cash whenever possible. I have nothing to hide but at the same time, I like freedom.
For anyone who cares about those details:
- The NFC forum was founded by Nokia, Philips and Sony in 2004 and set the specifications for the NFC standard.
- The first phone with NFC was the Nokia 6131, released in 2007.
- Peer-to-Peer standards to transfer contact, URL, initiate Bluetooth, etc. were also released by the NFC forum (Nokia, Philips, Sony) in 2009.
- The NFC forum was founded by Nokia, Philips and Sony in 2004 and set the specifications for the NFC standard.
- The first phone with NFC was the Nokia 6131, released in 2007.
- Peer-to-Peer standards to transfer contact, URL, initiate Bluetooth, etc. were also released by the NFC forum (Nokia, Philips, Sony) in 2009.
Japanese feature phones have NFC and e-Wallet functionality since 2004.Another thing stolen from Google
They weren't invented by Google.
I don't think you really have to worry about that. There are still places that don't take credit cards, and surely there will be places that don't take NFC in the future. In some ways, you're right: Cash is king.
It's nice and all, but from what I can tell most businesses are perfectly happy to use bar-code scanners.
They can use the same machine to scan iPhones, print-out tickets, or plastic cards. Convincing them to buy and instal NFC equipment that basically does the same job but has to go next to the bar-code reader (instead of replacing it) will be an uphill battle, I think.
They can use the same machine to scan iPhones, print-out tickets, or plastic cards. Convincing them to buy and instal NFC equipment that basically does the same job but has to go next to the bar-code reader (instead of replacing it) will be an uphill battle, I think.
NFC together with passbook in iOS 6 will finally unburden our trouser pockets of unsightly bulges!!
Is that NFC and Passbook in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me...
You know, the Japanese and South Koreans have been successfully using NFC contactless payment systems since about 2005. There are no NFC horror stories emanating from Southeast Asia, so I'm guessing that they have solid security models.
Note that the phone doesn't replace your wallet, it just makes it thinner (you aren't carrying around twenty loyalty cards) and a lot of transactions are faster. The popularity of the "osaifu keitai" (literally "wallet phone") in Japan was driven by its daily usefulness as a mass transit pass.
Today, NFC transit cards are quite commonplace here in America in large metropolitan areas. Instead of carrying around a Clipper Card in your wallet (for SF Bay Area transit systems), why not wave your phone over the card reader? That's what the Japanese have been doing for 7+ years at the fare gate.
A big note for anyone who illogically things that the NFC-enable phone will eliminate the wallet: you'd still have a wallet for payments that aren't tied to NFC. You'd just be pulling out your wallet far less frequently.
What exactly is 9to5 saying here? "We’ve previously been able to pull data from PreEVT iPhone 5,1 and iPhone 5,2 prototypes codenamed N41AP (5,1) and N42AP (5,2)"
"Pull data from ... prototypes"?
Are they seriously stating that they have had physical access to these devices and have made a "hardware code dump"?
"Pull data from ... prototypes"?
Are they seriously stating that they have had physical access to these devices and have made a "hardware code dump"?
The first Japanese feature phones with NFC and e-Wallet functionality were released in summer 2004, way before the Nokia handsets.
"NTT DoCoMo Introduces Revolutionary Mobile Wallet Service with First P506iC i-mode Smart-Card Handset"
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2004/001189.html
"NTT DoCoMo to Market First 3G Smart-Card Handset F900iC"
http://www.nttdocomo.com/pr/2004/001200.html
Whilst this is handy to have, its not really a 'WOW' feature IMO. I'd hope this isnt pushed as the main feature of the next iPhone as it's really not something people buy a new phone over.
Cards already support it, and have done for a couple of years now. All you're doing is reaching into a different pocket to grab something else to slap against the card reader.
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The US is years behind on card technology, in the UK (and most of Europe) the cashier does not get to touch your card. You put it in a card reader on YOUR side of the counter and enter your pin. It then charges you, much like a cash machine.
All the cashier gets is a confirmation on their screen, no card numbers, names, etc.
It's highly uncommon to have to give your card to anyone these days, and its been this way for at least 8 years.
Cards already support it, and have done for a couple of years now. All you're doing is reaching into a different pocket to grab something else to slap against the card reader.
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The US is years behind on card technology, in the UK (and most of Europe) the cashier does not get to touch your card. You put it in a card reader on YOUR side of the counter and enter your pin. It then charges you, much like a cash machine.
All the cashier gets is a confirmation on their screen, no card numbers, names, etc.
It's highly uncommon to have to give your card to anyone these days, and its been this way for at least 8 years.
I like the freedom paying with cards can give - for example when in a country which doesn't use Euros, or when at an event in the middle of nowhere, like this festival I went to in NZ, about 40km from an ATM, but all the vendors had cellular EFTPOS Terminals.
Sure, cash gives you anonymity, but I'm not buying parts for WMDs, so it doesn't matter to me. I just hope the next iPhone has a better battery life, because I can't play through a whole shopping trip on the 4S...although that is a great excuse to cut such an excursion short...
Yeah, but you're going to need to carry non-Passbook things on you: ID, Insurance, Paper Money etc...
So, you'll still be carrying two things (a real wallet & an iPhone). I just don't see such a great advantage on PassBook. It's like, I would hated carrying around my iPod & a phone: it made sense to get an iPhone since the iPhone worked as an iPod. In this case, the iPhone can't fully replace a 'wallet' (yet).
It's done exactly the same way here in the US. The biggest concern is at restaurants and other venues where your card is handled.
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I'm thinking if Passbook takes off, some of these other forms of identification may be integrated later on. It'll take close cooperation between Apple and the industry to make that happen securely but there's no technical reason insurance cards, ID cards, etc could not be put into your phone.
because it isn't the iPhone. the iPhone will change everything... NFC in the iPhone will create a world where within 3 years their will be NFC pay machines in almost all major retailers (although I suspect they will be compatible with more than just iPhone.)
It may not replace it but it will reduce the size of it a hell of a lot.
I wont need a wallet anymore, I will just need a sleeve that holds my Drivers License, Insurance. I stopped using paper money a long time ago