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Next-Generation iPhone With 'Radical New Case Design' Coming in August?
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Even thought it seems more likely that this new one will be similar to iPhone 4. However, Apple is always full of surprises. A redesign one will be very cool.
You are really off target with that diatribe. The entire point of my post was to outline that the iPhone 4 fits in with current design trends.
Please show me exactly where in my previous post I told liquid stereo to shut up, or anything about Ive. You have no reason to defend the OP, as I wasn't attacking them, nor their opinion. I was simply engaging in conversation.
Noted.
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I will refer you to my original post on page 9. This was my answer to you: "Doesn't make it good". The post regrouped answers to several people, so the "diatribe" wasn't for you at all and I think I made that clear in my second post on page11: "And specifically my answer to you was exactly what I wrote. No more, no less."
You didn't attack him. Same thing as above. Please, read what I wrote previously.Please show me exactly where in my previous post I told liquid stereo to shut up, or anything about Ive. You have no reason to defend the OP, as I wasn't attacking them, nor their opinion. I was simply engaging in conversation.
Incorrect. Your argument is weak (imho), that is what I indicated. I would be more than happy to discuss it
For the others - read their comments (page 9, in my original post) and tell me who isn't contributing to the discussion.
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Sorry I didn't do a historical review of all your posts on here. I looked at my first post which you quoted, as well as the post of yours I quoted. You then followed up with a paragraph (read Diatribe) in a reply to my post.
If that wasn't for me, why the heck did you quote, and reply to my post with it?
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What argument???
I am just trying to figure out what in the world you are getting at. If you look above you will also note that I edited my post to take away the perception that it was an attack. I am simply after some clarification as to exactly what you are after here.
Well, as I said, I just tried to regroup my answers. Maybe I shouldn't have.If that wasn't for me, why the heck did you quote, and reply to my post with it?
Ok. I consider retro design to be a dead end. The reason for that is because it is very difficult to make it evolve. It doesn't mean that the design is bad. The question is what are you going to do with your next model. As an example take the New Beetle. They just announced a new model and while it is somewhat better, it's just getting closer to the original Beetle. How long are they going to do that?
Back to your point - current retro-design trends. The fact that these trends are there is not an argument for retro design not being a dead end.
In Apple's case. They want to display an image of an innovative and modern company. But:
1. Suddenly they make a retro-phone.
2. It will be difficult to evolve this current design.
These two points are important if you want to be consistent 1.through your lineup and 2.through time.
OK, so assume Apple goes for a 3.8 inch display, same 640x960 (still above 300 dpi).
Someone has argued that the small dpi decrease won't matter because you will hold your iPhone further away...
...But doesn't that almost defeat the purpose of making a bigger screen in the first place?
Agreed, being able to see roughly the same size, but from a greater distance puts less strain on your eyes. But in addition, you also have a more bulky gadget in your pockets. Looks like a win-lose to me
Someone has argued that the small dpi decrease won't matter because you will hold your iPhone further away...
...But doesn't that almost defeat the purpose of making a bigger screen in the first place?
Agreed, being able to see roughly the same size, but from a greater distance puts less strain on your eyes. But in addition, you also have a more bulky gadget in your pockets. Looks like a win-lose to me
I'm completely unconvinced by the name 4S. It makes no sense.
The reason the 3GS was so named was to sort out the numbering. When Apple introduced the iPhone 3G, they produced a double-edged sword with the branding. 3G obviously meant access to the 3G network, but the numbering led to ambiguity over which iteration of iPhone this was. It was the second iPhone but history could remember it differently.
The only way to set things right was to ensure that iPhone4 was the 4th iPhone, so 3GS came to the rescue. The number 3 remained and could indicate both the carrier and the iteration, while the suffix added that it "Speeded up 3G".
Naming the 5th iPhone the 4GS, would throw things out of whack again and they'd never be able to catch up again without missing out a number. The next, and fifth, iPhone will be the iPhone 5. No doubt.
Also, from a branding point of view; ios5 and iPhone5 is too simple to ignore.
The reason the 3GS was so named was to sort out the numbering. When Apple introduced the iPhone 3G, they produced a double-edged sword with the branding. 3G obviously meant access to the 3G network, but the numbering led to ambiguity over which iteration of iPhone this was. It was the second iPhone but history could remember it differently.
The only way to set things right was to ensure that iPhone4 was the 4th iPhone, so 3GS came to the rescue. The number 3 remained and could indicate both the carrier and the iteration, while the suffix added that it "Speeded up 3G".
Naming the 5th iPhone the 4GS, would throw things out of whack again and they'd never be able to catch up again without missing out a number. The next, and fifth, iPhone will be the iPhone 5. No doubt.
Also, from a branding point of view; ios5 and iPhone5 is too simple to ignore.
I'm not an antenna engineer and Apple are innovators so maybe they have something up their sleeve. I hope.
They had something up their sleeve w/ the iPhone 4 and we see how that all turned out. There's only so many ways to expose an antenna to the radio signal it needs to receive.
You are free to do whatever you like, I was just confused as to why it appeared you were attacking my opinion, but not really offering up your viewpoint. My intent wasn't to start a pointless argument, if you felt that way I truy apologize.
Thanks for that. You make some great points, and I understand what you are getting at with the Beetle example. I think in the case of the VW, calling back to that historical design works fine, it survived for decades with little modification, and has a relatively large fanbase.
Apple has no such history in that regard, it would be hard for Apple to make an iPhone look like the original Macintosh and get away with it .
I really like the current design (obviouslly
), but not because of Ive. I don't worship him or his designs (copy accusations or not), but I do appreciate some of the gems he and his Team have come up with. In the case of the current iPhone, I like how it feels more substantial in my hand than the previous plastic backed models. There is a more rustic / unfinished feel to it that I enjoy, similar to the feeling I get from using some of my older camera equipment.That being said, I see what you are getting at and appreciate your viewpoint. It's my hope that they can put a bit of the current rustic feel into something that hopefully also is viewed as something more modern for people who are after that.
Apple used to be more progressive. In recent times the new products such as the iPad aren't that revolutionary, nor are they magical as Apple loves to brag.
What _IS_ an iPad? Nothing more than the top half of a laptop (display) and a mobile OS with all the needed components to make it whole. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being critical, but rather just calling it what it is. There is nothing in the iPad that is extra exciting and new. It's just a different form factor and not that much different at that. The real accomplishment was selling them like bottles of water, to thirsty people stranded in triple digit temperatures in the desert.
Let's take last year for example. Apples in house, highly skilled engineers, built the external antenna that Steve wanted, even though they warned him before beginning that it could be a problem. He shunned them as he is often known to do, so they had no choice except to build it.
After the intial testing revealed the reception was not good, the engineers brought this news to Steve, and once again he spurned them. Fully aware that the antenna was far less than ideal, he ordered the iPhone shipped and Antennagate unfolded.
Based on Steve's truly magical influence over his cult like followers, all he had to do, was tell them they were wrong. After all who are they to speak up? Just the people that give Apple every bit of the money they have today... think about it. What do they know... nothing according to Steve.
Even worse, the fanboy's bought into this hook line and sinker, then railed against anyone who challenged their regurgitation of Steve's condescending lashing of the customers when he said, "You're Holding It Wrong".
Immediately after Antennagate exploded into a full blown media frenzy, reports surfaced that ads for antenna engineers were seen in trade publications and indeed, Apple was advertising for specialists in the field of antenna technology. Following through Apple hired them.
Now that they've worked for Apple since the release of iPhone 4, it will be interesting to see if Steve was able to let go of his desperate fear, and just let them do their job. To let them do what they do best, which is to create an Antenna that "gasp" actually works...
Apple used to be more progressive. In recent times the new products such as the iPad aren't that revolutionary, nor are they magical as Apple loves to brag.
What _IS_ an iPad? Nothing more than the top half of a laptop (display) and a mobile OS with all the needed components to make it whole. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being critical, but rather just calling it what it is. There is nothing in the iPad that is extra exciting and new. It's just a different form factor and not that much different at that. The real accomplishment was selling them like bottles of water, to thirsty people stranded in triple digit temperatures in the desert.
Let's take last year for example. Apples in house, highly skilled engineers, built the external antenna that Steve wanted, even though they warned him before beginning that it could be a problem. He shunned them as he is often known to do, so they had no choice except to build it.
After the intial testing revealed the reception was not good, the engineers brought this news to Steve, and once again he spurned them. Fully aware that the antenna was far less than ideal, he ordered the iPhone shipped and Antennagate unfolded.
Based on Steve's truly magical influence over his cult like followers, all he had to do, was tell them they were wrong. After all who are they to speak up? Just the people that give Apple every bit of the money they have today... think about it. What do they know... nothing according to Steve.
Even worse, the fanboy's bought into this hook line and sinker, then railed against anyone who challenged their regurgitation of Steve's condescending lashing of the customers when he said, "You're Holding It Wrong".
Immediately after Antennagate exploded into a full blown media frenzy, reports surfaced that ads for antenna engineers were seen in trade publications and indeed, Apple was advertising for specialists in the field of antenna technology. Following through Apple hired them.
Now that they've worked for Apple since the release of iPhone 4, it will be interesting to see if Steve was able to let go of his desperate fear, and just let them do their job. To let them do what they do best, which is to create an Antenna that "gasp" actually works...
Is there a point in there buried under all the rhetoric about Apple users being mindless cult members or was it just a rant about them?
I like that. I'd buy that in a heartbeat. My only problem will be a case.. That home button is strange, but I'm sure Otterbox could come up with something.
Edit: Also, the back doesn't have an LED for flash. But I like the rendering.
Nor would I. I think my ideal iPhone would be unibody aluminum with a soft-touch part for cell signal with an edge-to-edge flat face with no button. Both are impractical for ME propagation and error-state escaping, but it would look the best and maximize screen area.
Lost count how many times I hear this and then the person ends up still getting it.
I've never said it about any of the leaks. Although I did say "that doesn't look like an Apple product" about the iP4.
The phone in the mockup expands the screen size and has an even larger bezel (on the left and right) around the screen. Unacceptable. I don't want a wider phone for any reason and if the screen does increase in size they need to get rid of the bezel and go edge to edge.
Besides, how old is that mockup?