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Wow, this sure is yawn-inducing.

The difference between Apple and us, is that Apple know what is coming, and we do not. You don't know you want or need something, until it is presented to you, so you cannot possibly "predict" what is coming next, based on the evidently unintuitive and extremely primitive thought patterns demonstrated by many @ MR forums.

Stop trying to guess what is coming - you may guess the odd feature, but in all reality, Apple are famous for being masters of disguise, right up until the last nanosecond... but letting you think you have worked it out! ;)

Quit the repetitive and recycled guesses, you won't do it, and even if you did, Apple will trump you in myriad aspects, on release day, and then hand you a giant cloth, with which to wipe the proverbial egg from your faces.

Just like washer women, gossiping over the garden fence about facts that they heard third-hand, the time for looking foolish is simply creeping slowly closer and closer.
 
Unconvincing.

The R&D investment on a new iPhone design is substantial; Steve claimed it took a team eighteen months to design the iPhone 4.

From an ROI standpoint, it would make far more sense for Apple to keep the same basic design and make incremental improvements to the internals (CPU, GPU, storage, camera, and networking).

One would expect to see a new design in 2012's handset, not this year's.

Note that Apple has a history of retaining basic designs for a couple of iterations before moving to a new platform. The most notable exception is the iPod mini/nano product line.


I didnt know you are apple's new cfo to have inside info on roi...
 
I haven't read through all of the comments here, but it's obvious that Apple has had some iPhone 4's manufactured here for developers, and so forth to test there apps on. That way they don't have to worry about anything being leaked, because it simply looks like the iPhone 4. This method allows developers apps to be tested in the wild and at their own discretion, and no risk of any confidential new iPhone to be leaked. No all that hard to figure out.
 
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Everyone agreed that the last iPhone was a disaster, things can only get better.
 
If it was radically different, wouldn't case designs already be leaked by now?

I seem to remember a mock-up of the iPad 2 was doing the rounds over 2 months before launch.
 
How radical can it really be? It's a box with a screen.

I guess... but you could say that about other common objects as well... how radical can a car design be? It's just a box on 4 wheels with an engine, steering wheel and brakes.
 
I still am going to skip this version and wait for the LTE model, which I assume will be in mid to late 2012.
 
I don't understand the obsession with Apples naming conventions.
Some people simply don't want to focus on the important discussions or perhaps are unable to offer insightful commentary on such matters.

You're right, whatever Apple calls the next-generation handset is largely unimportant, even less so now that the public is largely educated about the benefits of cellular data.

That said, I think it will be called iPhone 5, to match its software, iOS 5. The current handset and operating system are aligned similarly in their marketing materials (www.apple.com/iphone). Assuming that Apple continues an annual release of both hardware and software, it would make the most sense for them to continue this trend.

It's simple, and we know what Steve's tendencies are.
 
Yup, since "retina display" doesn't have any actual defining specs.

Well, yes and no. The main "spec" is (according to Apple):

"The screen is marketed by Apple as the "Retina Display", based on the assertion that a display of approximately 300 ppi at a distance of 12 inches (305 mm) from one's eye is the maximum amount of detail that the human retina can perceive.[36] With the iPhone expected to be used at a distance of about 12 inches from the eyes, a higher resolution would allegedly have no effect on the image's apparent quality as the maximum potential of the human eye has already been met."
 
I didnt know you are apple's new cfo to have inside info on roi...
No, I'm not the CFO, but as an AAPL shareholder, I do read their SEC filings. We can see how much they are spending on R&D.

While there's no breakdown by product line, it is logical to assume that much of those expenses are going into their cash cow, the iPhone.
 
If it was radically different, wouldn't case designs already be leaked by now?

I seem to remember a mock-up of the iPad 2 was doing the rounds over 2 months before launch.

Yes, and the people that leaked it are in jail. Doubt we'll see a leak very early if at all this time.
 
With all the extra time between updates, one would hope they change a bunch of stuff....for the better. But until we actually see a phone from Apple, who knows.


I'm still one of those few people holding out hope that the screen gets bigger. I know, I'm crazy. ;)
 
Yup, since "retina display" doesn't have any actual defining specs.

Well yes and no...

They mention pixels that are 78 micrometers wide, and 326 pixels per inch on both the iPod Touch, and iPhone 4. The iPhone features IPS, and the iPod mentions nothing, but is speculated to be a lower end TN panel due to viewing angles among other things.

Thanks to the Retina display, everything you see and do on iPhone 4 looks amazing. That’s because the Retina display’s pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels. Which means Text in books, web pages, and email is crisp at any size. Images in games, movies, and photos pop off the screen. And everything is sharper.

By developing pixels a mere 78 micrometers wide, Apple engineers were able to pack four times the number of pixels into the same 3.5-inch (diagonal) screen found on earlier iPhone models. The resulting pixel density of iPhone 4 — 326 pixels per inch — makes text and graphics look smooth and continuous at any size.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/retina-display.html
 
What makes me think this is real is the Samsung patent lawsuit. It shows that Apple feels a competitor is too close to its design. Apple will want to differentiate themselves, and it shows they are pragmatic about the outcome of the patent lawsuit. They may get some monetary reward, but its not likely they will stop Samsung from selling their products. So, Apple will not sit still, they will move to stay a forerunner in the market space. Samsung, I think will be getting Apple's cold shoulder on parts.
 
I haven't read through all of the comments here, but it's obvious that Apple has had some iPhone 4's manufactured here for developers, and so forth to test there apps on. That way they don't have to worry about anything being leaked, because it simply looks like the iPhone 4. This method allows developers apps to be tested in the wild and at their own discretion, and no risk of any confidential new iPhone to be leaked. No all that hard to figure out.


...until someone drinks too many a beer.
 
I still am going to skip this version and wait for the LTE model, which I assume will be in mid to late 2012.

LTE is 'latest/greatest' fodder for the addicts.
I'll consider LTE when its available in more than a handful of places.
In addition, I find 3G perfectly acceptable for the uses I put it to.
But that's obviously just me.
 
Well, yes and no. The main "spec" is (according to Apple):

"The screen is marketed by Apple as the "Retina Display", based on the assertion that a display of approximately 300 ppi at a distance of 12 inches (305 mm) from one's eye is the maximum amount of detail that the human retina can perceive.[36] With the iPhone expected to be used at a distance of about 12 inches from the eyes, a higher resolution would allegedly have no effect on the image's apparent quality as the maximum potential of the human eye has already been met."

Somebody do the math: What's the biggest inch size that stays above 300dpi at 640x960?
 
LTE is 'latest/greatest' fodder for the addicts.
I'll consider LTE when its available in more than a handful of places.
In addition, I find 3G perfectly acceptable for the uses I put it to.
But that's obviously just me.

It's currently available all over my hometown so I'm chomping at the bit for it. But I don't expect it in the iPhone this time. :(
 
they cant call it the 4s because the phone after that would be the iphone 6.
Apple wont confuse anyone anymore, so the next phone will be called the iphone 5 no matter what.

it would be a shame if apple failed to utilize the obvious iphone 4G name. The next iphone should have 4G capability otherwise it will be somewhat outdated upon release since just about all other smartphones are beginning to introude their 4G handsets.
 
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