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This whole business model of offering minor incremental features each year is what made Apple rich. But it may be the same reason why sales are slumping. People are simply catching on and tired of being milked every year.
Those that could afford a $700-800 6/6s/7/8 can just as easily afford the XR, even if they don’t want to spend another $10/month (or $250 outright) on an XS.

But I think most people simply aren’t upgrading as often because older iPhones are still performing well enough that they don’t need replacing. I bought the 4s, 5s and then the 6s. But I’ve still got that 6s. It’s still a decent iPhone, even here in year four.

When it dies, or if I break/lose it, I’ll replace it. If that’s this year, maybe I’d buy an XR, or if that’s too big an XS. If they’re both too big I’d probably just buy a 7 for $449.

Apple says they’re ok with people keeping their iPhones longer, since they see those users as satisfied and very likely to (eventually) buy another iPhone.

Would Apple prefer everyone upgrade every two years, or even yearly? Sure! But most people aren’t going to do that; you can’t “make” someone replace a phone they’re already really happy with. And certainly Apple doesn’t expect someone with an XR to buy an 11R just because it’s got 4x4 MIMO.
 
Same PPI as iPhone 8. Didn’t see anybody complaining back then.

Same PPI as the iPhone 4.

The plus phones were a serious step forward. The current crop of iPhones are a serious step backwards.

Apple has completely lost it.
 
Those that could afford a $700-800 6/6s/7/8 can just as easily afford the XR, even if they don’t want to spend another $10/month (or $250 outright) on an XS.

But I think most people simply aren’t upgrading as often because older iPhones are still performing well enough that they don’t need replacing. I bought the 4s, 5s and then the 6s. But I’ve still got that 6s. It’s still a decent iPhone, even here in year four.

When it dies, or if I break/lose it, I’ll replace it. If that’s this year, maybe I’d buy an XR, or if that’s too big an XS. If they’re both too big I’d probably just buy a 7 for $449.

Apple says they’re ok with people keeping their iPhones longer, since they see those users as satisfied and very likely to (eventually) buy another iPhone.

Would Apple prefer everyone upgrade every two years, or even yearly? Sure! But most people aren’t going to do that; you can’t “make” someone replace a phone they’re already really happy with. And certainly Apple doesn’t expect someone with an XR to buy an 11R just because it’s got 4x4 MIMO.
Yup, Apple even pride themselves for supporting the aging iPhone 5S and how optimized iOS 12 is for older phones. Imo they know about the longer upgrade cycle for most people. Thus what imo Apple is lacking is in sprucing up their services. Services is one sure way to continue getting revenue from your existing customers. Apple really need to step up their game, and I’m not talking about making a Netflix copycat. There are still a lot Apple can do on iCloud. Where are the iWorks on iCloud improvements? Apple used to make a big deal about it, but it then stays quiet. Imagine if Apple can create a more encompassing iCloud solution so people don’t even need Office 365. Apple can leverage their strength in consumer friendly solutions so they get an edge over enterprise focused Microsoft. Microsoft now is offering a really genius solution to lock people into their office 365 platform by allowing people to install office on up to 5 devices on their personal tier. Apple used to put up a good fight in consumer friendly productivity software, but we have not seen any major announcement in the iWork suite for a while now.
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Same PPI as the iPhone 4.

The plus phones were a serious step forward. The current crop of iPhones are a serious step backwards.

Apple has completely lost it.
No it’s not backwards. There’s the XS and XS Max if you are so concerned about PPI and starring on pixels.
XR is continuation of the regular iPhone lineup, and the flagship last year, iPhone 8, has the same PPI. Where were the naysayers back then?
 
what about iPhone SE? When are they planning to update it. I won’t upgrade to any phone beyond 4 inch
 
what about iPhone SE? When are they planning to update it. I won’t upgrade to any phone beyond 4 inch

Not likely. I think the SE was always intended to be a ‘limited release’, and there is a reason they discontinued it in fall 2018, simply because it wasn’t making Apple enough money. Apple brought the SE back I believe for two reasons, one of which I already stated, and the second for other emerging markets in countries were smart phones are priced exorbitantly.
 
Yup, Apple even pride themselves for supporting the aging iPhone 5S and how optimized iOS 12 is for older phones. Imo they know about the longer upgrade cycle for most people. Thus what imo Apple is lacking is in sprucing up their services. Services is one sure way to continue getting revenue from your existing customers. Apple really need to step up their game, and I’m not talking about making a Netflix copycat. There are still a lot Apple can do on iCloud. Where are the iWorks on iCloud improvements? Apple used to make a big deal about it, but it then stays quiet. Imagine if Apple can create a more encompassing iCloud solution so people don’t even need Office 365. Apple can leverage their strength in consumer friendly solutions so they get an edge over enterprise focused Microsoft. Microsoft now is offering a really genius solution to lock people into their office 365 platform by allowing people to install office on up to 5 devices on their personal tier. Apple used to put up a good fight in consumer friendly productivity software, but we have not seen any major announcement in the iWork suite for a while now.
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No it’s not backwards. There’s the XS and XS Max if you are so concerned about PPI and starring on pixels.
XR is continuation of the regular iPhone lineup, and the flagship last year, iPhone 8, has the same PPI. Where were the naysayers back then?


Except I can see the pixels on the X series phones too! I understand this is due to the pentile hack.

The plus series displays were the first displays I had ever come across I could not discern pixels on. I loved Apple for that. I was so excited for the for future!

I hate Apple now.
 
what about iPhone SE? When are they planning to update it. I won’t upgrade to any phone beyond 4 inch
You can probably find some 4 inch Android phone. Or not. 5.5 inches is the standard size nowadays.

While I like large phones I can understand your frustration. I strongly dislike SUVs for example.
 
They keep insisting on this mediocre phone... unbelievable!

It really is. Once upon a time Apple didn’t hesitate to kill off a bad product like the 5C. Doubling down on a 2nd gen XR is madness!
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Except I can see the pixels on the X series phones too! I understand this is due to the pentile hack.

The plus series displays were the first displays I had ever come across I could not discern pixels on. I loved Apple for that. I was so excited for the for future!

I hate Apple now.

Do you hold your phone up to your nose?
 
Liquid Retina is marketing babble for rounded corners.

Apple could have easily specified the high PPI they've used in the plus series of phones for the last four years.

They cheaped out and jacked the price. You got ripped off.
No, no. You misunderstood. I haven’t even bought anything yet.

I agree that Liquid Retina is in some ways a downgrade and marketing babble, but my point was that the main selling point of Liquid Retina to me is that it’s still LCD. I won’t buy an OLED screen.

I am leaning toward an XR, if only because having a newer model means I’ll be more futureproofed.
 
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No, no. You misunderstood. I haven’t even bought anything yet.

I agree that Liquid Retina is in some ways a downgrade and marketing babble, but my point was that the main selling point of Liquid Retina to me is that it’s still LCD. I won’t buy an OLED screen.

I am leaning toward an XR, if only because having a newer model means I’ll be more futureproofed.


If I broke my 6s plus now I'd just get another 6s+ used, save my money, and wait and see how this all shakes out. Maybe TC will finally get tossed and we can get the headphone jack and high PPI LCD screens back in new iPhones.
 
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