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Next iPhone Update

anfield11 said:
Or Canada for that matter. By the time Rogers [virtually our only GSM provider] get's their sh*t together it will be 201?
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Rogers is terrible, their reasoning is even worse than the way they run their company. They dont have any real competition (lets face it, bell and telus are just one big joke) so why provide their customers with any *competitive* pricing?

I bought my iPhone and unlocked it. Im now using it on Rogers and im cancelling my blackberry data plan, the iPhone is actually going to cost me less than my pearl (in the long run). Surfing and e-mailing via wifi (and not edge) is incredible.
 
iDAG said:
I know that Apple said they would go to Asia in 2008 so y not just wait? It's just way to much trouble to ship it across the world and not even know if it would work or not. Until then every country will have the iPod Touch to buy and enjoy.
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2008 is over 3 months away. And Asia is more than Japan, korea, Singapore, Russia. I seriously doubt we`ll see iPhone oficially launched in India for 5-6 months even after it is launched in Japan etc. And I seriously cant imagine Apple selling it locked with a carrier in India. People here dont even know a GSM cell phone can be locked to a carrier.

And with the lowest mobile ARPU I dont really think Apple can get anything out of the monthly charges. We have a very healthy number of people who easily pay over 800$ for a new mobile phone and change it within 4 months just to make sure they only have the latest handset. But not even 1% of those people will be willing to spend 60$/month. Way too expensive. A definite deal braker.

So the only way I see Apple selling iPhones in India(and other such countries with low arpu) is UNLOCKED. But that too does not look possible for a long time considering Apple`s current strategies. So It`s way better to get one now instead of waiting half a year only to find iPhone is not coming to India.
 
Merlyn3D said:
Personally....I don't mind ATT....I chose them b/c they're better than T-mobile where I live. However, when I got to Europe or Asia, I don't want to pay between $1 to $2 per minute to roam with I can pay $.05 a minute to make calls back to the US. ATT's roaming rates are outrageous.
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Agreed. I first looked into unlocked phones when I began traveling to the UK frequently, and my Orange pay-as-you-go plan was tremendous, even for calling back to the US. Plus, having a local number was a huge help when doing business there. However, keeping one phone to use in the UK and another main phone is just a royal pain. Now my iPhone works on both networks.

I have other issues with ATT (I just honestly like dealing with T-Mobile much more than dealing with Verizon or ATT), but the international roaming was a deal-breaker for me until the unlock solution came out.
 
It was a stupid move to lock the phone in the first place. Pure greed. They could have just sold it unlocked and sold double the number, but they wanted that streaming revenue from the contracts. I'm beginning to despise Apple as it works hard to control how I use my digital devices. I don't like what's happening at all.

I love my unlocked iphone and, even if it never gets another software update, it has pretty much all the functionality I need in a mobile communications devices. For now. It would be real bad publicity if Apple stopped all those who have unlocked their phones from using them - they are, after all, Apple customers, even if they're not ATT customers.


Anyway: screw Apple's march toward ever-more closed systems, control and general greedy nastiness!

Having said that, I love Apple and hope that they learn that a totalitarian digital system is destined to failure in the long run.
 
PDE said:
It would be real bad publicity if Apple stopped all those who have unlocked their phones from using them
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Not really. The unlocked phones make up a small demographic, and they are going to be viewed as hackers and not loyal apple fans who just dont like AT&T. Dont expect sympathy from apple, your taking money right out of their pockets.

If I was a share holder, I would want apple to break unlocks religiously wherever possible, no matter how I feel a perfect or great world should be. The world revolves around money, not innovation and woo ahhh uber cool gadgets. However, as long as Apple is the underdog and forced to do the innovative and cool route, I get awesome gadgets to spend my money on. I love my iphone, and its worth putting up with AT&T. All cellphone companies comes suck in the end.



Thats my view anyway.
 
What I'm curious to know about is WHAT are they new features that will show up in the next update (other than wifi music store, new keyboard tweaks, etc.; all of which we've seen on the ipod touch).

If tomorrow is indeed the Euro-iPhone announcement, I imagine we'll get a lowdown on any new features as well, to help pump the hype up as much as possible...

And it would be an extremely clever strategy of Apple to relock the phone with each new feature set update -- they're not preventing people from hacking their phones, but they're not making it a way to keep on top of the iPhone feature set either.

(extremely clever way of them to discourage hacking if that is indeed their goal; I personal think the phone should be unlocked, but if they want to keep it locked up, that's a good way to go about it).
 
megfilmworks said:
That's a fairly big swing. Which is it?
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It's BOTH. I love the stuff and am beginning to despise the company. Not so strange really. They're behaving more and more like Microsoft and the world is moving more and more away from that model. Just don't like that they are so deliberate in the way they try to limit how we use our stuff, especially the iphone.

So there you go. Hate...love....hate...love...fine line.
 
I've been following the attempts at hacking the Touch and there are major obstacles in getting it to open up. Erica Sadun at TUAW is writing the it's gonna be awhile, if it all.

My concern is that the changes they've implemented in the Touch are coming to the iPhone. This spells (at least temporary) doom for the freedom we're enjoying, and would tend to lend credence to Joz's statement that future iPhone updates would likely break 3rd party apps. I'm stuck on ATT for work, so unlocking isn't an issue for me (but I understand how important it is for others).

The question is, what features would it take Apple to offer up in this latest update to make you give up what we have now (assuming the update breaks 3rd party apps)? WiFi iTunes isn't enough for me to update, but as a business user full Exchange sync would make it hard not to. Official iChat? Enhancements to mail, file saving, etc?

Where you draw the line and give up all the hard work from the dev community in the name of new supported features?
 
I'm getting bored with my iPhone. Web apps suck. When I'm somewhere that doesn't have internet access, I'm practically not able to do anything..

Not a good thing.
 
kdarling said:
He said he was bored when there's no net access. That's natural.

Some people like having games or books or whatever (besides videos and music).

Don't you wish there were real third party apps available?
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if 8 gigs of audiobooks, movies, tv shows, podcasts, and music cannot entertain you, you should be spending your money on ritalin not an iPhone.
 
kdarling said:
He said he was bored when there's no net access. That's natural.

Some people like having games or books or whatever (besides videos and music).

Don't you wish there were real third party apps available?
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Apple hasn't deceived you, they never once said real third party apps were coming. My suggestion to you bored with the phone when there is no internet need to get something else to use as a 'security blanket', sell your iphone, and get a phone that does what you want, now, instead of all the wishful thinking and hoping. Chances are the iphone will never live up to your standards. You want something fun, Apple just wants to make money, and rightly so.

I could care less of new features, I knew exactly what I was buying when I put my money down. I'm just looking for a few more maintenance releases for stability and fine tuning some user experience issues.
 
If the next update just gives us the starbucks app and the wifi store I wont even bother updating.
I'll never use any of those features and it will be just 2 unused icons there....
 
My prediction:

Intelligent/dynamic icons. ipod touch home button, Starbucks/wifi store update. Announcement of 3g euro phones with release on Oct 18. Also one more app for iphone. Likely ichat.
 
whoever posted this thread is pretty damn stupid saying that unlocking is dumb and you don't understand why and that hackers should pay? First of all the unlock is great I have an unlocked iPhone and it does WAY MORE than your dumb att jailed iphone! Third party apps are amazing you can stick with your web apps all you want! Im sure Apple will try to make some cool apps to make people want to upgrade but I could care less about a wifi music store and starbucks? If it can't be done over edge then whats the point... I have a laptop for that.... of course HACKERS (which you seem to despise) will have a workaround for that as well! All they do Dev Team and more is provide you with ways to fully use your iphone. I have some fantastic third-party apps running right now.. Chat.. etc. Apple has yet to make a chat client so somone else made one and its great! I love what I can do on my iphone now. I just find people like you fustrating because you obviously have no idea what your talking about and have never tried it for yourself.. so have fun with your jailed att iphone! And by the way don't even get me started on why I don't like Att if you knew half of what they have done in the past you wouldn't like them either!
 
RidleyGriff said:
What I'm curious to know about is WHAT are they new features that will show up in the next update (other than wifi music store, new keyboard tweaks, etc.; all of which we've seen on the ipod touch).

If tomorrow is indeed the Euro-iPhone announcement, I imagine we'll get a lowdown on any new features as well, to help pump the hype up as much as possible...

And it would be an extremely clever strategy of Apple to relock the phone with each new feature set update -- they're not preventing people from hacking their phones, but they're not making it a way to keep on top of the iPhone feature set either.

(extremely clever way of them to discourage hacking if that is indeed their goal; I personal think the phone should be unlocked, but if they want to keep it locked up, that's a good way to go about it).
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Well if you understood "hacking" you wouldn't say thats a good strategy! Hacking is like a job they LIKE the Challenge!!!! If everything was always loosy goosy with software and computers phones alike there wouldn't be hackers! The idea is to get around something or "break the rules" in a technology standpoint updates make for a challenge. trust me no matter what apple does someone will find a workaround hold me word to it!
 
mongoose8p said:
whoever posted this thread is pretty damn stupid saying that unlocking is dumb and you don't understand why and that hackers should pay? First of all the unlock is great I have an unlocked iPhone and it does WAY MORE than your dumb att jailed iphone! Third party apps are amazing you can stick with your web apps all you want! Im sure Apple will try to make some cool apps to make people want to upgrade but I could care less about a wifi music store and starbucks? If it can't be done over edge then whats the point... I have a laptop for that.... of course HACKERS (which you seem to despise) will have a workaround for that as well! All they do Dev Team and more is provide you with ways to fully use your iphone. I have some fantastic third-party apps running right now.. Chat.. etc. Apple has yet to make a chat client so somone else made one and its great! I love what I can do on my iphone now. I just find people like you fustrating because you obviously have no idea what your talking about and have never tried it for yourself.. so have fun with your jailed att iphone! And by the way don't even get me started on why I don't like Att if you knew half of what they have done in the past you wouldn't like them either!
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Don't confuse not wanting to unlock the phone with being unable to or not having a grasp of what is available.

Some of us like it exactly the way it is thank you.

I've looked over the hacks, I'm just not interested and would prefer to leave my phone as is.

As for it being "jailed" -- if people can unlock them at will, how is it "jailed" when someone who hasn't unlocked it yet can do so at any time they wish?
 
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