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I'm super excited about the Retina displays, I'm still a bit skeptical because I just find it hard to believe that Apple can maintain the pricing scheme and still give us a Retina Display..

But I said that same thing about the 3rd Generation iPad.. And I was wrong, so I guess Apple knows something I don't..

Apple sells their products in mass numbers, along with them get 30% cuts in software all over the place, that is why apple can push out such advance tech, that and apple does have a pretty good profit margin, so even if they lower it a bit, the fact that they are getting so many sales in both hard and software they would still be making a ton of money.
 
The USB 3.0 standard, offering higher data transfer speeds, is reportedly being included on the revamped MacBook Pro, but the company is still weighing whether it wants to bring the standard to its lower-priced MacBook Air line.


I don't want this to come across as arrogant... but price isn't why I bought my MacBook Air. I wouldn't say that price is irrelevant (as if it were £9999999 I probably wouldn't have bought it :p), but I wasn't exactly going "Oh no, I can't afford a MacBook Pro. Lets buy a MacBook Air instead." I already had a MacBook Pro; I bought the MacBook Air for its lightness & battery life. That was its USP.

I think I paid £1400 for mine, which is only £100 cheaper than the bottom spec 15" MacBook Pro anyways.
 
Every mac geeks fantasy right here. At WWDC Apple would come out with all new Macs ranging their whole lineup from Mac Pro to Macbook air with retina displays and ivy bridge. The whole line would get a price cut and mountain lion would be revealed more/released.
 
This is the one device I don't want retina in. I would rather keep a better battery length, and see a cheaper price point so that I could easily convince my family to adopt OSX.

Exactly. What a disappointment. Imagine the kind of battery life we could see in an Air if they deployed the improved battery technology WITHOUT Retina. Why in the world would someone buy an Air if they needed Retina? Seems that those would be power users (i.e. - MacBook Pro).

The whole point of the Air was to make compromises (less power, no optical, etc) in exchange for ultra portability. Improved battery life fits the product niche better than a Retina display. Every product doesn't need the same features - that's the reason for differentiated products.
 
Ahh but you guys are assuming that battery life would be significantly better and that's a dangerous assumption to make when you don't know what the display technology is
 
They're trying to drive the prices down which makes me wonder if they're making significantly less than they're usual fat margins on iPads right now.
 
Is this not the key, crucial, indispensable upgrade - built-in 4G? Isn't it time that MacBooks became truly mobile computing devices? I will not be surprised if this is not included, but will be very disappointed.
They should also include 3G/4G in the new iPod touch. Why should they exclude iPods from the iCloud, if you use them in rural areas (i.e. no WLAN access)?
 
This is the one device I don't want retina in. I would rather keep a better battery length, and see a cheaper price point so that I could easily convince my family to adopt OSX.

Apple brought Retina display to iPad without addition cost - so they can do it to the MacBook Air. This would be good thing to separated it from the the Ultrabooks.

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That would be nice if they did that. On the other hand, I told myself after updating last year that I'd hold off until Haswell. Now that I have a Retina Display iPad, it would be difficult to resist that temptation.

Actually for me - I not sure I want another iPad, I used my MacBook Air more which I purchase earlier. My next computer is either 2012 MacBook Air or 2012 MacBook Pro depending on cost and functionality. Even with the Core2Duo in my MBA. the ARM cpu in iPad is just not powerful enough.
 
Believe it or not, USB3 IS a deciding factor for purchasers...

Not really they could always come out with a included Thunderbolt to USB 3.0 adapter. But then again since chipset includes support why not just switch out existing USB 2.0 ports.

On ethernet, why has not somebody created a new micro-RJ45 port that has an adapter to connect to standard RJ45.

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It's just an iPad with a keyboard, right? :rolleyes:

No nothing near like it - iPad is ARM based and MBA has a real Intel CPU and 8 times more memory. Major difference.
 
I'm betting that tomorrow there will be rumours about the iPad Nano and Retina Display. :cool:

No that will not happen, if you look at iOS SDK - it will explain why. Something dealing with screen resolution and power of 2. One thing that might be possible is larger device. 19 by 14.6 in device with 4096x3072 screen.
 
So yes it's possible they have resolution independent code working which maps the physical retina display to a logical resolution, but that logical resolution couldn't be much higher than it is already, it just wouldn't be usable and so, I don't quite see the point. Perhaps Mountain Lion addresses all these issues, if it does, then we won't be seeing retina displays until somewhat later in the year when that comes out.

DisplayPDF currently uses a layout resolution of 72dpi, with screens between 100dpi(element 70% of design size) which seems pretty comfortable to ~130dpi(55% of design size) with the elements getting on the small size.

Isn't the HiDPI mode basically Pixel Doubling of the layout resolution. So at 144dpi layout they could use screens in the low 200dpi range with the UI elements still comfortable.

Although given the @distance part of Retina I would think at a minimum they need to go for 160-170 dpi screens to not break the formula.

I still think Apple is heading towards something more sophisticate and they mention in the Autolayout introduction that it was an important part of RI. What with 300dpi screens not far off pixel doubling is only a short term solution.
 
They should also get bumped to 8GB RAM. 4GB will not be enough to run Mountain Lion in Retina with no user upgradable or even CTO option.
 
This is exactly my thought. Retina is cool and all. But honestly it is a gimmick, especially on a laptop. I am still hoping for some big gains in battery life compared to what we have now. I will be really angry if this new retina fad gets in the way of something that would actually be useful for a notebook computer!

(that said I'll of course reserve judgement until I see the finished product)

I'm with you... Retina has a bigger impact on devices that don't have clear-type and sub-pixel rendering. I'd like to think retina displays will look good, but will gladly reserve judgement until I see them. I don't think there will be as big a wow factor as there was for the iPhone 4 and iPad 3
 
If a 27" iMac is (supposedly) getting a retina display, why wouldn't 11" and 13" MacBooks Airs? It's basically an iPad sized screen.
 
Looks like they'll be releasing all of the new Macs at the same time.

Also, I don't care too much about the Retina displays. I'm more concerned about the graphic performances. No point having a 'resolutionary' display with a 'meh' graphic performance.
 
Apple brought Retina display to iPad without addition cost - so they can do it to the MacBook Air. This would be good thing to separated it from the the Ultrabooks.

You completely missed the part where I said I would rather they left out retina if it means a lower cost, didn't you? For what it is, I think the air is too expensive an would love to see Apple turn it into a cheaper entry level product for the every day user, you know those who aren't pro users.

I'd still say charge a premium for the Apple logo, after all, Apple products are premium, but charging less than what they are charging now would go a long way in seeing a larger market share in my uneducated opinion.
 
You completely missed the part where I said I would rather they left out retina if it means a lower cost, didn't you? For what it is, I think the air is too expensive an would love to see Apple turn it into a cheaper entry level product for the every day user, you know those who aren't pro users.

I'd still say charge a premium for the Apple logo, after all, Apple products are premium, but charging less than what they are charging now would go a long way in seeing a larger market share in my uneducated opinion.

While true, Apple's goals may not be to increase marketshare but rather increase profits. They sound like they would go hand in hand, but this isn't true.

For example, if Apple sells Macbook Airs for $1,000 while they cost $500 to produce, if they sell 1,000,000 of them, they make $500,000,000 profit.

However, let's say they drop the price to $800 to make them "more affordable" and sold 30% more as a result. Now they sell 1,300,000 for a profit of $390,000,000 -- that's $110,000,000 LESS profit than at full price.

Now this is purely a hypothetical example, but I am just trying to show you that market share (aka increasing the number of units sold) isn't always the same as making more profits -- and making it up on volume isn't always possible.

Plus, let's say that the new added sales still generated the same profit. Why would Apple want to bust their balls twice or thrice as hard for the same payout at the end of the day?

I don't know about you, but if someone gave me the choice to earn $100 by working either 8 or 16 or 24 hours, I'd pick 8 (and companies would too). As a general rule, most people (and companies) want to do the least amount of work for the highest possible pay off.

As far as lowering the cost and passing those savings onto the customer, the cost difference of individual components is fairly trivial. I bet Apple's cost on a retina MacBook Air display would be maybe $20 or $30 over the cost of a regular display (and thats probably a high estimate).

Personally, I'd rather pay $999 for a retina display Macbook Air than $979 for a standard display one. I am sure most reasonable people would too. When purchasing a $1,000 product, I doubt a difference that small could be a deal breaker. If a $20-$50 price difference is enough to sway you one way or the other on affordability grounds, maybe you should examine if you can afford to be buying any product in this price range at all.

Plus, adding a retina display might be what puts some people who bought in the last couple of years to finally upgrade. So by going with a slightly lower price for a regular display one, they might pick up some small margin of sales but those gains would be offset by people who may have upgraded to a retina waiting longer to upgrade.

There's lots of things to consider in making business decisions like these.
 
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They already make one. It's called the iPhone.
Ahh that makes sense. iCloud only for iPhones in rural areas, and not for iPods. A wonderful idea! Not?

And regarding the price: Yeah the prices for the iPhone and the iPod touch are the same. I agree 100 percent!

:p

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Agreed. An iPod touch with 3G and non contract data is an unlocked iPhone.
You pay the same for both? Interesting! :p
 
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