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Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by thadoggfather, Nov 25, 2009.
No way they'll do another C2D refresh, is there?
For the 15"/17" yes. What the 13" gets is somewhat in the air.
Sorry to sound noobish but I take it u mean no change to the MBP 13.3'' models?
How come 13.3 is different?
Seeing as low end iMacs didnt get Lynnfield, Apple may apply the same logic and not bring Arrandale to the 13" model and just give them bumped C2Ds.
That's lame...they're still pros though
what's in a name
Wouldn't the white macbook already be the lower end?
I'm obviously not an expert, and I have just recently bought a MBP. So I am not trying to start something, I am just curious
Yea, but I can't really spot a difference between the white macbook and the now lower end macbook pros, which are actually just rebranded macbooks (plus firewire and sd and alu enclosure). Anyway, the difference is already clear in the gpu. Only the "old" MBPs have the 9600m gt.
In technology? Not much. lol.
Ok, Im gonna say this again. There are MANY differences between the macbook and the 13" macbook Pro.
the following are features that are on the MBP 13" and not the macbook.
a. the display is better on the MBP. Color Gamut is better and it is brighter.
b. Backlit keyboard. i can not express how valuable and useful this is. you wont know until you use one.
c. SD card slot. also very useful.
d. 8gb ram supported vs. the macbooks 4gb
f. you discount the aluminum housing, but it is also invaluable. the white plastic will scratch if you look at it funny. where the aluminum can stand up to much more that the plastic can.
the 13" MBP IS NOT just a macbook rebranded.
I'm guessing the biggest change in the 13" will be a bump in the processor speed. The low end MBP will probably become the 2.53 GHz model.
I did count the aluminium housing.
a. wouldn't know of the better display, if so, true.
b. granted, it's very convenient, but not essential.
d. most users who go for a 13" mbp wouldn't need the 8GB ram anyway. Heck, even 6 is almost overkill. (don't know whether that's supported on mb though).
e. good point
f. It's just aesthetics. (besides, I even think the polycarbonate unibody is alot more robust than the aluminium)
The only vital difference that made the mbp a "pro" laptop was the gpu, and perhaps firewire.
Now, the mb and 13" mbp are basically the same. Same cpu, gpu, hd, stock ram, battery, screen size. Those are the vital parts.
So only the display and firewire are the dealmakers imo.
Anyway, maybe "rebranded" was a bit too much, but you can hardly say they're different machines.
There's no saying what will happen... C2D might haunt you forever...
Nah jokes I was just trying to scare you, C2D will be gone at least in the 15" and 17" models in the next refresh. It might be Quad Core
In this line, absolutely nothing.
That's the general idea. That it may happen is a whole different thing.
I utterly disagree with you. The comparisons were not what features are essential or needed. it is purely what are the differences. whether it is convenience or aesthetics, it is still a difference. The bottom line is that for many people those differences (backlit keys and aluminum) is enough to buy the Pro over the MB. Also, look at a MBP next to a MB in the apple store next time. you will see the color gamut on the pro is better.
Ofcourse it's important whether the difference is needed, or at least useful. If apple were to paint the MBP black, would that make it different?
Maybe aesthetics and convenience is enough to consider a "pro" over the mb, even to me, really; but it still doesn't make it a wholly different machine (obviously not completely the same either). When I buy a computer, I'm interested in what is inside that computer: conclusion: MB en 13" MBP are the same. Though for 200 bucks more, you get a better screen and some additional features, which is great, but hardly "pro" (only firewire, maybe).
Don't get me wrong, the 13" mbp is a good deal. My initial point was that the "pro" label will not automatically grant it the same updates as the high end pros (with dedicated gpus).
The previous alu macbook (the "collector's edition" ) was basically the same as the 13 mbp now, even with backlit keyboard. Now they labeled it pro and added firewire.
But hey, I don't care what they call their products, in the end you just choose the machine that works for you. I was just saying that a name is only a name.
Anyway, the bottom line is: how do we define pro?
Tallest is that you?
Tell me. If a chip is announced in January or Feburary and a refresh happens in the same month do you honestly believe that chip will be in any of the machines? Tell me, because apparently you're in the know.