Cannibalism? Yeah, what about it?
The Pro will still be more upgradeable than the Air, crunch numbers better than the Air - and probably have discrete graphics. The Air, however, will still be lighter, thinner and snappier than the Pro.
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Next MBP Refresh , With or Without ODD?
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Cannibalism? Yeah, what about it?
The Pro will still be more upgradeable than the Air, crunch numbers better than the Air - and probably have discrete graphics. The Air, however, will still be lighter, thinner and snappier than the Pro.
Well like what?
nothing compares to the saturation of the compact media disk.
What about people who have CD players in their car and want to burn a cd?
Thats so common that it would make people want to explore all in one solutions from competitors.
2011 is not the year for this. I can tell you because I know how the market thinks and that Jobs knows how the market thinks.
Every detail is considered. Its all about sales.
You can believe me, I'm a CS Professor, they are not going to kill the ODD on this refresh.
There is just too much information that is distributed via CD/DVD...for now. That does not include all the entertainment that is distributed via disc format.
The best you could hope for is maybe some clunky hybrid where you cart around an external ODD but I think that will turn off many professional users (including me).
Look, I don't love the ODD and use it infrequently, but when I do it is because I *need* it.
In a few years, sure, but right now...nope.
-P
There is just too much information that is distributed via CD/DVD...for now. That does not include all the entertainment that is distributed via disc format.
The best you could hope for is maybe some clunky hybrid where you cart around an external ODD but I think that will turn off many professional users (including me).
Look, I don't love the ODD and use it infrequently, but when I do it is because I *need* it.
In a few years, sure, but right now...nope.
-P
I disagree. First of all, the news just came out that Apple is trying to eliminate physical media of its own software, at least in stores.
Someone who needs to actually be burning a CD/DVD will likely be at a desk (it's bad to use the burner elsewhere anyway, since the drive is somewhat shock sensitive). This means that an external drive would be just fine. For those that would argue that the drive is too big or heavy to carry around as an extra, think about how big the media itself is. A DVD burner nowadays is about the size of 2 CD cases. It's not that big. The last point is that standalone DVD burners nowadays are simply higher quality than the ones built in. Apple sources very thin, but not particularly reliable drives anyway. If burning a CD/DVD is really mission critical to you, then you shouldn't be using the internal ODD to start with.
Apple eliminated the floppy drive before anyone thought this was possible. People expected outrage. Turns out, nobody cared (or they just quickly adapted).
My CDs are saturated in a box in the basement. Haven't burned one for years. Everyone has MP3 players. When was the last time you saw someone with one of those CD sleeves in their car? 1998? The minute population that still cares about physical media can get an external drive.
Don't forget, the curmudgeons are always the loudest. Everyone overestimates the population that cares because of the loud curmudgeons. This rule applies to basically everything.
Jobs makes markets.
I am an IT Manager who oversees all corporate data for a publicly traded company and I have not used a CD or DVD-ROM in about five years. They aren't even in our supply closet anymore. Nobody uses these things anymore. My vendors do not even distribute physical media anymore, unless you specifically request it.
Unfortunately, "odd balls" like me do have CDs in my car.
I kept 2 CD cases (containing 24 CDs in each case) in my car & I listen to those CDs when I drive. Oh, I would also think that I'm not that old as I'm currently a college student. I wondered if the same result will also happen where "nobody cared (or they just quickly adapted)" if Apple decides to move from 16:10 screens to 16:9 screens in this coming or the next refresh.
I don't care either way whether the optical drive stays or not. What I care about is performance. If the removal of the ODD means that the MBP can get a quad core CPU, and a better graphics card, then clearly it's better that the disk drive disappears. If you can't live without your DVD drive, just duct tape one to it, and get one far better than the internal superdrive Apple would otherwise provide.
space , is a pretty valuable in 13" MBP . as most of them has been sacrificed for longer battery life while keeping the form factor thin .
ODD being one of the most space consuming hardware should be replaced
ODD += 2 x 9.5mm HDD placed side by side
ODD += one block of apple battery cell ( equals to 1hr+ of battery life)
ODD += 1x high performance GTX260M graphics card plus a huge heatsink surrounding it
thats just some of the examples , but it would be pretty good ( and generous ) if apple also incorporates external superdrive on the packaging box
The optical drive takes up 25-30% of the internal space of a MBP... Getting rid of it would allow a larger board with a discrete GPU in the 13" MBPs. Or, it could allow better cooling, which would allow quad cores on the 15" and 17"s. Only time will tell, but the ODD is going to leave this gen or the next.
Thanks for making these points, especially the last one. No "professional" would every rely on the flimsy catastrophe that is the Superdrive. I swear, I've never seen a Superdrive on an Apple laptop that didn't break in some way after a year of use at the most. So, even the maybe three times I used the Superdrive on my SR MBP the experience was really frustrating, because it wouldn't work half the time. First it lost the ability to burn CDs (don't ask me why), then suddenly it couldn't read audio CDs anymore, and now it can't read any media at all. Same thing happened with the drive in my Powerbook G4 and with the drives of pretty much everyone I know who uses an Apple laptop. The quality of these drives is simply abysmal.
iDrop
This optical drive EATS a LOT of valuable SPACE,
which can be used for professional, geeky things: Quad Core, Discrete GPU Pro!
It eats the SAME space as a MOTHERBOARD!
Drop it, drop it, drop it!
This optical drive EATS a LOT of valuable SPACE,
which can be used for professional, geeky things: Quad Core, Discrete GPU Pro!
It eats the SAME space as a MOTHERBOARD!
Drop it, drop it, drop it!
+1
I read on another thread that someone was complaining that if the OD was removed it would take too long to install things like final cut pro, which is like 50gb... Downloading this from the Mac App Store would just take too long... But who in the right mind is going to install a 50gb program on the go anyway... Solution? An external superdrive... People can still install all their software (which they will probably do from work/home) and keep the external drive in a safe place for when they need it again... Especially in the 13 inch macbook pro I think the OD must go as it will need a discrete GPU (I think SB IGP will be a step back from 320m)... I just don't see apple sacrificing graphics performance =)
how do you know for sure it will?
and i think past threads doesn't really had any polls regarding the ODD
Unfortunately, "odd balls" like me do have CDs in my car.
Do you have one of those USB vinyl turntables, too?