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Whilst the Euro will make the launch of a European music store a little easier, the UK is not the only EU country that has not adopted it. Of the original 15, there is also Sweden and Denmark, and currently none of the new members are part of it.
Localisation issues:
These issues apply in Canada as well - remember French speakers!
The UK (not England, please!!) may speak English, but we have different spelling, and different words (e.g. shop vs store). We also have different musical taste to North America.
Last thought - didn't a judge in Canada find that it was legal to swap music files online? Is there any need for a music store there, if you're allowed to download for free anyway?
Localisation issues:
- Language
- Marketing
- PR
- Local content
- Currency
- Legal
- Call centre/support
These issues apply in Canada as well - remember French speakers!
The UK (not England, please!!) may speak English, but we have different spelling, and different words (e.g. shop vs store). We also have different musical taste to North America.
Last thought - didn't a judge in Canada find that it was legal to swap music files online? Is there any need for a music store there, if you're allowed to download for free anyway?
Story in the Sun News Paper
Hi,
Just got the Sun news paper for some trashy stories and there is a small story about the launch.
'David Gray has recorded some special tracks that will only be available through iStore - the online download site for ipod junkies. They will be accessible when the much anticipated UK iStore site opens June 14th'
Read Story here
Hi,
Just got the Sun news paper for some trashy stories and there is a small story about the launch.
'David Gray has recorded some special tracks that will only be available through iStore - the online download site for ipod junkies. They will be accessible when the much anticipated UK iStore site opens June 14th'
Read Story here
ONLY UK, FR & DE? Hopefully not!
Like I said in another thread on iTMS Europe awhile back, A representative of Apple Switzerland was quoted in a local newspaper at beginning of the year that iTMS Switzerland was ready to be launched but they had to wait for the rest of Europe. So I'd be surprised and disappointed with Apple if your scenario came true. Besides, I think it's possible that some countries where none of those three languages (German, French, English) is spoken might have to do with iTMS not yet localised in their language but I do think they will launch it in all Western and Central European countries at the same time.
Freg3000 said:What are the odds of a iTMS for Luxembourg.
I doubt Apple will release a iTMS for Europe or the E.U., but rather for the big three (England/France/Germany) and expand as it sees fit or laws easily permit it to do so. It is hard to compare markets just on population.
Edit: No offense to the Mac user in Luxembourg....
Like I said in another thread on iTMS Europe awhile back, A representative of Apple Switzerland was quoted in a local newspaper at beginning of the year that iTMS Switzerland was ready to be launched but they had to wait for the rest of Europe. So I'd be surprised and disappointed with Apple if your scenario came true. Besides, I think it's possible that some countries where none of those three languages (German, French, English) is spoken might have to do with iTMS not yet localised in their language but I do think they will launch it in all Western and Central European countries at the same time.
aswitcher said:
I doubt Apple have even looked in to getting it in Australia. They don't seem to care about us here - perhaps they feel the market is too small, or that we're lost to Microsoft...
Telstra got their music store up and running months ago here (WMA download only), so you can't say Apple would have had trouble signing up the labels. I suspect Apple just didn't bother...
For the record: I hope every European country can get the iTMS at the same time as soon as possible. All the countries of the world for that matter.
This is so exciting! When was the last time we were talking about Apple needing to bump up announcements from a major keynote (WWDC) because there is so much stuff to announce, and not enough time in a 1.5-2 hour keynote!
iTMS Europe, Displays, iPod, Power Macs, G5 iMacs.......[drool]
This is so exciting! When was the last time we were talking about Apple needing to bump up announcements from a major keynote (WWDC) because there is so much stuff to announce, and not enough time in a 1.5-2 hour keynote!
iTMS Europe, Displays, iPod, Power Macs, G5 iMacs.......[drool]
Its not language barriers that slow down or prevent expansion to other countries, but time and money. Negotiating with different countries music publishers just takes time. Even if the whole world spoke the same language the same problem would still exist, there's just no way around it.
On the other hand why it has taken THIS long in places like the UK and Canada where Napster and others have already launched, I guess you could chalk that up to Apple just draggin their feet.
On the other hand why it has taken THIS long in places like the UK and Canada where Napster and others have already launched, I guess you could chalk that up to Apple just draggin their feet.
First:
Heise.de is not the rumor publisher. Its a special radio Station from Berlin " Radio Berlin-Brandenburg/Fritz ". But he point is that not only this radio station is sending out this rumor, but it seems that this was(is) also broadcastet via TV!
As for Heise.de (the publisher is "heise Verlag"), they are the most important computer hardware/software website in germany. Heise itself is publishing to damn important Mags:
1) c't: Best Mag on planet (I new the amercans/british and some other foreign.., but they are far far away from reaching the c't level)
http://www.heise.de/ct/
2) iX: simmilar to c't, but more complecated and server, programming network orientated.
http://www.heise.de/ix/
3) The well known (even outside Germany) Heise Newsticker (Linux, Unix, Win, PC, Mac whatever...)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/
So, now lets go for the rumor:
I don't think there will be a iTMS before MacWorld Paris
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Heise.de is not the rumor publisher. Its a special radio Station from Berlin " Radio Berlin-Brandenburg/Fritz ". But he point is that not only this radio station is sending out this rumor, but it seems that this was(is) also broadcastet via TV!
As for Heise.de (the publisher is "heise Verlag"), they are the most important computer hardware/software website in germany. Heise itself is publishing to damn important Mags:
1) c't: Best Mag on planet (I new the amercans/british and some other foreign.., but they are far far away from reaching the c't level)
http://www.heise.de/ct/
2) iX: simmilar to c't, but more complecated and server, programming network orientated.
http://www.heise.de/ix/
3) The well known (even outside Germany) Heise Newsticker (Linux, Unix, Win, PC, Mac whatever...)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/
So, now lets go for the rumor:
I don't think there will be a iTMS before MacWorld Paris
B
I work at an apple reseller/apple care service and my one week vacation (gotta read for the university entry exam or whatever it's called) ends on monday.. it's gonna be nice to go back to work on tuesday
I just realized I can watch the keynote on a 23" Cinema Display (with a 2mb connection)!DD YAY! if that's not nice then what is?! i wish it was 28th already..
I just realized I can watch the keynote on a 23" Cinema Display (with a 2mb connection)!
DD YAY! if that's not nice then what is?! i wish it was 28th already..
Zaty said:
um.. there shouldn't be any localisation problems.. as far as i'm concerned, if using the finnish mac os x (& itunes), the itms already shows everything in finnish.. so the language shouldn't be an excuse.
I Want iTunes Music Store As Well
That way I have a good reason for buying an iPod!
Please, Apple, pretty please release it all over Europe.....
That way I have a good reason for buying an iPod!
Please, Apple, pretty please release it all over Europe.....
It is likely we'll either see an iTMS_Europe announcement before MacWorld or after MacWorld, but not during MacWorld.
That said, I can see why Apple is putting so much focus on Europe and leaving Australia and Canada out of things. The estimated population of Australia, in July 2003, was 19,731,984 with a GDP of $525.5 billion (2002).
Population of Canada is 32,207,113. $934.1 billion GDP (2002) and requires support for two languages (Canadian French).
For comparison, the population of California is 35,116,033 (2002 est).
Now let's look at the three "highest probability" markets in the EU:
Population of Germany is 82,398,326 with a GDP of $2.16 trillion.
Population of France is 60,180,529 with a a GDP of $1.558 trillion.
Population of the UK is 60,094,648 with a GDP of $1.528 trillion.
Raw population and GDP (at PPP) don't tell us terribly much, but they do give an indicator of why Apple may consider at least certain countries of the EU to be a higher priority than either Australia or Canada. It is worth more trouble on Apple's part, more concessions, and more of their time to break into Germany than it is to break into Australia. Using a simplistic model: even if the Australians buy twice as many songs on average per person and they get half of the margin in Germany as in Australia, Germany is still a bigger market to pursue (though not by much).
I doubt that their margin on each individual song sold is going to be half in Germany what it would be in Australia, and I don't think the Australians are going to buy twice as much per person either.
This is just speculation on my part, but I would think there is also an intangible benefit in breaking into neighboring markets: once you are in the UK, France, and Germany getting into other EU countries is going to be a lot easier (and the sum size of the EU is larger than that of the US). The same does would hold true for Australia or Canada.
(all stats from the CIA world factbook)
That said, I can see why Apple is putting so much focus on Europe and leaving Australia and Canada out of things. The estimated population of Australia, in July 2003, was 19,731,984 with a GDP of $525.5 billion (2002).
Population of Canada is 32,207,113. $934.1 billion GDP (2002) and requires support for two languages (Canadian French).
For comparison, the population of California is 35,116,033 (2002 est).
Now let's look at the three "highest probability" markets in the EU:
Population of Germany is 82,398,326 with a GDP of $2.16 trillion.
Population of France is 60,180,529 with a a GDP of $1.558 trillion.
Population of the UK is 60,094,648 with a GDP of $1.528 trillion.
Raw population and GDP (at PPP) don't tell us terribly much, but they do give an indicator of why Apple may consider at least certain countries of the EU to be a higher priority than either Australia or Canada. It is worth more trouble on Apple's part, more concessions, and more of their time to break into Germany than it is to break into Australia. Using a simplistic model: even if the Australians buy twice as many songs on average per person and they get half of the margin in Germany as in Australia, Germany is still a bigger market to pursue (though not by much).
I doubt that their margin on each individual song sold is going to be half in Germany what it would be in Australia, and I don't think the Australians are going to buy twice as much per person either.
This is just speculation on my part, but I would think there is also an intangible benefit in breaking into neighboring markets: once you are in the UK, France, and Germany getting into other EU countries is going to be a lot easier (and the sum size of the EU is larger than that of the US). The same does would hold true for Australia or Canada.
(all stats from the CIA world factbook)
nuckinfutz said:
Steve's keynotes usually last around 2 to 2.5 hours. Thats more than enough time to demo Tiger, announce PowerMac G5's, and a G5 iMac. Its not like Steve has to go through the new architecture again for the PowerMac G5 because it will have the same architecture. Pretty much the same goes for the iMac with maybe a few revisions made to it. The Tiger demo shouldn't take any longer than 45 minutes or so. I think the iMac G5 will be Steve's patent "There is one more thing...". If so hold on to your seats people!
If you don't remember last January's Keynote (MWSF 03'), Apple announced/demoed, iLife 1.0, Keynote 1.0, Safari Beta, and 2 new PowerBook Models (12" and 17"). All which was demoed fully, so your observation is soooo incorrect!
The WWDC better not be all about the ITMS and the iPod! I'm soo sick and tired of Apple using big events for the iPod and the ITMS, and ignoring their main money maker, which is their computers. Anyone who thinks Apple's main money maker is the iPod is smoking something! Even though they sell more iPods and computers combined, they still make about 60% to 70% of their revenues off their computers.
nifty said:
no no; I say video iPod running the spanking new iPod OS 1.0 (code name Pug).
... hey, you never know!
Foocha said:
No, he found that you couldn't prosecute someone for having files in their shared folder. He never condoned downloading copyrighted material for free, or mass pirating.
morkintosh said:
It would be awesome if the iPod ran a full version (so as to not produce confusion like Windows XP Tablet PC edition, Home Edition, etc.) of OS X 10.3 or 10.4!