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I am not talking about specs per dollar jere. I am talking about upgrades in comparison to price to the manufacturer, and then the change that the consumer sees or doesn't see. So yes, you have been missing the point. And I stick with what I said earlier.

Fact: Nexus 5 saw some decent hardware upgrades to bring it to this year's standard
Fact: It comes at no additional price to the consumer.

Fact: GS4 saw some decent hardware upgrades to bring it to this year's standard
Fact: It comes at no additional price to the consumer.

Nah, I haven't missed your point at all, I just think it's not very relevant or important. Buying a GS4 is twice the price of buying a N5, with virtually the same specs give or take across the two. You can pick the 2 apart and focus on minutiae, or you can step back and look at the bigger picture and that's how consumers will view the 2 phones in terms of what specs they get and how much they have to pay for that phone. Of course that doesn't include marketing which Samsung is a juggernaut at, but then again the N5 will be available for consumers eyeballs in various brick and mortar stores.

I understand your "factual" points that the GS3 to GS4 upgrade is equivalent to the N4 to N5 upgrade, even though that is debatable and more up to consumers opinion, but still that wasn't the focus of my discussion. I was initially sparking up the discussion by offering my own opinion that pricing alone was a worth "upgrade" to myself and possibly to many consumers.
 
I read a ton too on my Nexus 7 2. I use Moon Reader+ and find it way easier to just tap the screen left or right to turn pages. I've been through a lot of different readers on Android, and indeed many don't get the page turn quite right, but I think that has a lot more to do with the apps themselves and how the page turn gets animated. Maybe just use tapping to turn the page if that's a particular sore spot for you and the touchscreen.

Just a suggestion.

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So.. you own a Note 3 and a GS4. Trying to trade the GS4 for either an iPad Mini Retina or a Nexus 5.

It sounds like you need a tablet more than a phone given that the Note 3 is a phone already. Won't it be redundant to own a Note 3 and a Nexus 5?

That's true but like I said, I really want another Nexus device and the Note 3 is almost a tablet. but then again I want to get back on iOS and I've been waiting patiently for the new retina mini. Then they had to announce the friggin iPad Air which threw me another curve ball.

You know what, it's my wife's fault ... WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE MY CAKE AND & EAT IT TOO!! :D
 
You guys are missing the point too. You are over thinking the simple point I am making.


GS4 brought Snapdragon 600 (the flagship standard at the time), 2GB RAM (flagship standard at the time), and a 1080p display (flagship standard at the time). See a pattern yet? And all of this at no additional cost to the consumer.

Nexus 5 brought Snapdragon 800 (the flagship standard at the time), 2GB RAM (flagship standard at the time), and a 1080p display (flagship standard at the time). All of this at no additional cost to the consumer.

You can say I'm negative all you want. That doesn't change these facts.

I think people are overthinking your point because they can't figure out why anyone would care. I don't mean that onerously at all, it just seems odd to complain about a flagship phone that has specs that rival the TOP phones out today but costs half the price off contract. With a phone like this the onus of a great upgrade is on the more expensive phone, what do I get for $700? Oh crap, I get a small update to yesterdays line. What do I get for $349? Oh great, I get a small update to yesterday's line.

Yeah for $349 I was expecting a foldable screen, waterproof, 58megapixel camera, and a pop out toilet paper holder.
 
You guys are missing the point too. You are over thinking the simple point I am making.


GS4 brought Snapdragon 600 (the flagship standard at the time), 2GB RAM (flagship standard at the time), and a 1080p display (flagship standard at the time). See a pattern yet? And all of this at no additional cost to the consumer.

Nexus 5 brought Snapdragon 800 (the flagship standard at the time), 2GB RAM (flagship standard at the time), and a 1080p display (flagship standard at the time). All of this at no additional cost to the consumer.

You can say I'm negative all you want. That doesn't change these facts.

I don't see why people keep missing the simple fact that it is a decent upgrade in the same price point, just like the GS4. Nothing mind blowing here. Why are people not getting that?

but what the hell do you want? I still don't get it. Most upgrades by all vendors in various technology products are along the same lines.

Ok. One person gets it, but they think they don't. Hahaha
 
That's true but like I said, I really want another Nexus device and the Note 3 is almost a tablet. but then again I want to get back on iOS and I've been waiting patiently for the new retina mini. Then they had to announce the friggin iPad Air which threw me another curve ball.

You know what, it's my wife's fault ... WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE MY CAKE AND & EAT IT TOO!! :D

Do what must be done.

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KIDDING!
 
I don't see why people keep missing the simple fact that it is a decent upgrade in the same price point, just like the GS4. Nothing mind blowing here. Why are people not getting that?



Ok. One person gets it, but they think they don't. Hahaha

Well if you're expecting niche features at $349, expect to be disappointed

If the complaint is that you'd rather google raise the price and add features / battery - I hear you there and I agree. I'd rather see google go all out and offer something with all the bells and whistles, including SD card / note3 removable battery, we can dream.

However, It's pretty hard to criticize the Nexus 5 at its price.
 
Nah, I haven't missed your point at all, I just think it's not very relevant or important. Buying a GS4 is twice the price of buying a N5, with virtually the same specs give or take across the two. You can pick the 2 apart and focus on minutiae, or you can step back and look at the bigger picture and that's how consumers will view the 2 phones in terms of what specs they get and how much they have to pay for that phone. Of course that doesn't include marketing which Samsung is a juggernaut at, but then again the N5 will be available for consumers eyeballs in various brick and mortar stores.

I understand your "factual" points that the GS3 to GS4 upgrade is equivalent to the N4 to N5 upgrade, even though that is debatable and more up to consumers opinion, but still that wasn't the focus of my discussion. I was initially sparking up the discussion by offering my own opinion that pricing alone was a worth "upgrade" to myself and possibly to many consumers.

I think people are overthinking your point because they can't figure out why anyone would care. I don't mean that onerously at all, it just seems odd to complain about a flagship phone that has specs that rival the TOP phones out today but costs half the price off contract. With a phone like this the onus of a great upgrade is on the more expensive phone, what do I get for $700? Oh crap, I get a small update to yesterdays line. What do I get for $349? Oh great, I get a small update to yesterday's line.

Yeah for $349 I was expecting a foldable screen, waterproof, 58megapixel camera, and a pop out toilet paper holder.

You aren't getting it man. You are putting value into the equation. Go back 10 pages ago where this started. My point was that this is a standard upgrade. Nothing special. Why do you not get that?
 
Well if you're expecting niche features at $349, expect to be disappointed

If the complaint is that you'd rather google raise the price and add features / battery - I hear you there and I agree.

I take it back. Maybe you don't get it. He was simply stating that this is a standard upgrade with nothing special. That is all.
 
You aren't getting it man. You are putting value into the equation. Go back 10 pages ago where this started. My point was that this is a standard upgrade. Nothing special. Why do you not get that?

Jog my memory, the point was that it was a standard update compared to what will be the iPhone 6 update, right? You mentioned something along the lines of how that'll be bigger.

But isn't that sort of a given? It'll be bigger because Apple doesn't offer much else (we may finally get a larger screen in a new design package -- this is what people are praying for, and it'll be mind blowing only because it'll finally open up more impacting options from Apple), and conversely, Android phone updates will be more "standard" because there's already so much out there to cover the bases (in fact, we're getting into niche features now).

(Side point: some may argue these updates aren't very "standard" though compared to what Apple is doing. I mean, the GS3 to 4 got a larger screen and more pixel count and a redesign. Ditto the Nexus 4 to 5. Is that really "standard" compared to the iPhone upgrades? I don't know...)

I don't think anyone is contending about what the Nexus 5 updates are. You can probably save yourself the trouble of reiterating that point.
 
Jog my memory, the point was that it was a standard update compared to what will be the iPhone 6 update, right? You mentioned something along the lines of how that'll be bigger.

But isn't that sort of a given? It'll be bigger because Apple doesn't offer much else, and conversely, Android phone updates will be more "standard" because there's already so much out there to cover the bases.

I don't think anyone is contending about how "standard" the Nexus 5 update is. You can probably save yourself the trouble of reiterating that point.

Haha, I view an increase of screen size on the iphone as much overdue.. to the point that it is an expected 'standard'. I won't give apple more credit because they've kept the screen size too small for so long.
 
Haha, I view an increase of screen size on the iphone as much overdue.. to the point that it is an expected 'standard'. I won't give apple more credit because they've kept the screen size too small for so long.

Exactly. It's only big deal in Apple's world.
 
I take it back. Maybe you don't get it. He was simply stating that this is a standard upgrade with nothing special. That is all.

What's special then, I wonder?

And if Android OEM's latest hardware updates aren't special, what would you then consider Apple's hardware updates to the iPhone? Aren't they even more standard, so to speak?

Even if you want to presume the iPhone 6 will offer a larger screen [finally], wouldn't that only be special in Apple's world?

Again, what's "special"? Maybe this needs clarification before you judge others for getting or not getting something. Or continue. : shrug :
 
You aren't getting it man. You are putting value into the equation. Go back 10 pages ago where this started. My point was that this is a standard upgrade. Nothing special. Why do you not get that?

But that's just opinion, not fact. What if the co processor on the N5 that functions when the phone is asleep is a huge upgrade to the way I conduct my business and use my phone? (It is) What if KitKat itself is a huge upgrade for me? (It is) (the S4 doesn't have it yet). What if the phone always being in listening mode is a huge upgrade for me? (It is) I don't recall what you particularly mentioned as "upgrades" which would qualify as being more than average, but I think you mentioned waterproof and battery life. For me the waterproofing doesn't matter in the least, so it's not a significant upgrade for me, just opinion same as yours. Battery life to me IS an upgrade, it's got 17 hours of talk time, versus for example 10 hours on the iphone 5s, that's a huge upgrade for me and the way I use my phone on a daily basis, but once again you see how that is opinion on whether it is a great upgrade, or just average. How about LTE, jeez I'd say that's a pretty hefty upgrade from the N4.

Edit: I'd be curious what you feel are "worthy" upgrades to a phone that would meet your strict criteria of being above average?

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What's special then, I wonder?

And if Android OEM's latest hardware updates aren't special, what would you then consider Apple's hardware updates to the iPhone? Aren't they even more standard, so to speak?

Even if you want to presume the iPhone 6 will offer a larger screen [finally], wouldn't that only be special in Apple's world?

Again, what's "special"? Maybe this needs clarification before you judge others for getting or not getting something. Or continue. : shrug :

Yeah, that's the problem, "special" can be qualified by anything and anybody. If the iphone 6 has a 5" screen it will be "special" to a hell of a lot of people, but is it really really "special" when 5" screens have been around for years? Well maybe, if someone needs iOS but they also want a larger screen, or maybe not if someone doesn't need one.

It's a very opinionated subject, which is totally OK, but not when it gets pushed as "fact".
 
I owned a N7 for months and used it regularly- I never 'got over it', it was ever-present and ever-annoying to me. Obviously some people can get used to it, while others can't accept it.

It's a big deal for sure. It's why android feels "wrong" to those acclimated to iOS. The input lag and iffy scrolling detracts from the user experience in a big way.

Though as far as android devices go, the Nexus 7 is one of the best when it comes to responsiveness and user experience.
 
It's a big deal for sure. It's why android feels "wrong" to those acclimated to iOS. The input lag and iffy scrolling detracts from the user experience in a big way.

Though as far as android devices go, the Nexus 7 is one of the best when it comes to responsiveness and user experience.

I've got my fair share of complaints against Android, some of them are deal breakers for me too. But I don't get the scrolling lag thing, I am trying to find it on my G2 and just can't see any lag or disconnect between when I put my finger down and when I scroll. Is this in any particular app?
 
I don't understand the relevance of this either. Are you expecting proportionately higher upgrades from Google VS Samsung while keeping a consistent pricepoint? Everyone is really limited by qualcomm here, like intel on the pc side.

negativity just oozes from you :p

Apple has offered significantly more powerful iPads every year at the same price...
 
I think I'm spoiled by the bezel on my G2, but the more I look at the N5 the more I don't like the size of the bottom bezel. Hmm, I guess I'll have to see it in person.
 
That's true but like I said, I really want another Nexus device and the Note 3 is almost a tablet. but then again I want to get back on iOS and I've been waiting patiently for the new retina mini. Then they had to announce the friggin iPad Air which threw me another curve ball.

You know what, it's my wife's fault ... WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE MY CAKE AND & EAT IT TOO!! :D

Sell the GS4 and the Note 3, get a Nexus 5 and an iPad.

And just to make it a bit harder for you, picked up a new iPad Air this morning and it's very nice. I thought I'd never go back to the full-size model after getting a Mini last year but wow, it's so much lighter and more manageable to hold one-handed, cannot believe the difference.
 
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I hadn't been following the early info on this, when I saw the phone and the price today I honestly couldn't believe it. I had to keep checking, that $349 price had to be a mistake.

Sorry to have such newbie questions but this phone just seems too good to be true.

One version of the phone for north america, correct? I'm on T-mobile and I don't have to worry about getting the right version of this one, buying from Google should be fine? Assuming T-mobile doesn't bump up the pricing, it's tempting to wait and get it with their installment plan.

I thought I had more questions, but I can't think of anything else now. I just keep asking myself "Seriously?" over and over. This phone just totally seems like a no brainer for the price - some other phones beat some of the specs, but generally only if they are much more expensive. Are there any other phones even worth looking at in this 345-399 price range? Any gotchas on this phone I might have missed? Thanks in advance.
 
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