Yes, please ..... just to be a thorn in the side of Walmart, Bestbuy, Target and RiteAid with their MCX crap..
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NFC-Equipped iPad Air 2 Sparks Speculation of Future Apple Pay Registers for Small Businesses [Updated]
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Yes, please ..... just to be a thorn in the side of Walmart, Bestbuy, Target and RiteAid with their MCX crap..
Old news.
I pointed out yesterday afternoon that the new iPad uses the same NFC chip as the iPhone 6, but no antenna or booster chip.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20194328#post20194328
Previously in the same thread I noted that it was for the Secure Element, which is useful for in-app Apple Pay purchases.
I pointed out yesterday afternoon that the new iPad uses the same NFC chip as the iPhone 6, but no antenna or booster chip.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20194328#post20194328
Previously in the same thread I noted that it was for the Secure Element, which is useful for in-app Apple Pay purchases.
i suspect the banks will start mailing out new cards because they want to stop paying for fraud. . banks are not in the business in losing money
this is going to be like when direct tv or dish network mails out new smart cards. if you do not have apple pay and do not have rfid or emv , you're going to get a new card in the mail .
if the merchant does not upgrade, then its the merchants problem anytime a charge is disputed
the major thing with apple , is apple pays or fraud
the worst credit card company in the world, first premier bank, which charges its customers $300 in fees for a credit card with a $500 limit even sends out EMV cards
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No sane person will tie their checking account and routing number direct to a Walmart/Bestbuy system.
Maybe I have too much faith in intelligence of humanity... But I still proclaim D.O.A.
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CapitalOne, one of the largest, still refuses, and has no time estimate.
Chase, also large, refuses me on my debit card.
Also, AMEX refuses me on my corp card.
That's the iPad mini 2 with TouchID.
You're optimistic but the carriers will fight hard to hold on to their legacy business models.
Most restaurants are already doing this with credit/debit card terminals and the newer ones have NFC. No need to leave your seat or give your card to anyone.
This.
People made a big deal over iFixit commenting on no antennas in the iPad Air 2 - but iFixit didn't seem to find an antenna in the iPhone 6(+) either. The lack of a booster chip in the iPads suggests that the NFC chip is only for web-based ApplePay, but we'll see.
iPhone 6 doesn't have an NFC antenna either. 
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Cause NFC does not use an antenna!
It's an induction coil.
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Cause NFC does not use an antenna!
It's an induction coil.
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I've also read that it's used for ApplePay on the device for online transactions which would make sense.
But since I don't use my iPad as a POS and wouldn't use it in place of my phone, well let them add it to their hearts content later
It also included in the iPad Mini 3 - keep up Mac Rumors. Its there for the secure element so you can do in app purchases on the new iPads. It's also the reason you can't use the iPhone 5s for in app purchases as it doesn't' have the secure clip to store the card data only on your phone.
Case closed.
Case closed.
iPhones and iPads use the exact same Qualcomm LTE chipsets. And with Voice-over-LTE, even if your claim were true, that would be moot with the latest generation iPad Air 2.
Why is Apple so big on making the iPhones as serviceable as possible, yet for their other devices they use tons of glue and make them impossible to service?
They clearly know HOW to make things compact and serviceable; why do that only for the phones?
They clearly know HOW to make things compact and serviceable; why do that only for the phones?
May be it's just the BB in Texas that needs to catch up because I've used my Tap n Pay CC/Debit in Washington, Oregon and California BB's with no issues.
Perhaps - our BBs have them they just aren't activated.
But the POS system isn't just the payment terminal....anyhow. No reason to argue about this.
Another option is for use with external hardware (the missing antennas would be in this external hardware). This is something that is used in servers quite a lot, especially when it comes to RAID. The controller is on the mainboard but you need an additional license as well as hardware for it to actually work and connect the drives. As the article describes businesses currently use external hardware from others. You don't want to have Apple Pay as the only means to pay, you want a few others. That means that you'll have to have some kind of hardware that supports those payment systems so why not use the external hardware you are already using and can probably upgrade? It's how nearly all of the POS work anyway (computer + cardreader).
It could be that the chip is for both situations: as a controller for external hardware and as a requirement for the secure element. On the other hand, using it purely as a secure element to allow Apple Pay be used on websites and such is far more likely. Payment terminals can contain all the necessary components needed for Apple Pay. The iPad will only hold the register software.
And they are future proofing their devices. Next time they only need to add a few other components and they're done. If they want Apple Pay to become really big then they need to support it on all their mobile devices.
In doing so they would kill those third party payment systems. Apple Pay will become a major threat to those systems and in that case those systems won't be supporting Apple Pay. Apple Pay will be nothing more yet another payment system. Apple has understood the most important thing when it comes to having a universal payment system: it is all about cooperating with other payment systems. Others need to integrate with your system because if they don't your payment system won't take off. That's why Apple has gotten those big parties (banks, shops, etc.) onboard. Without them Apple Pay is dead. This also means that they need to work together with those 3rd party when it comes to payment terminals. When paying in a shop, the shop holders iPad becomes the payment terminal. That's why it is so important to use the currently used external hardware instead of using their own implementation.
That's true, but using the case would at least need an NFC booster/tuner like the iPhone 6 has (the AS3923) but the iPad Air 2 doesn't. That's also mentioned in the article you refer to.
I doubt the NFC chip itself could drive anything but a standard loop coil which would be quite easy to see. A typical NFC antenna is a few square inches in surface area.
But why put a NFC chip inside this current iPad generation if it cannot be utilized?
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Could the lightening connection carry NFC signals to the NFC chip on the board? Engineers? I am only CS.
Because it contains the Secure Element, which is a processor running the Java payment applets that are used by MC / Visa / AMEX / etc.
It likely needs to be able to run those applets, in order to utilize in-app Apple Pay. Or perhaps it just has an Apple Pay applet.
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Like everyone else, I believed the no antenna tear downs.
However, I just found something very peculiar while searching the FCC database. Other new tablet reports I checked leave out any mention of NFC, but the FCC SAR entry for the iPad Air 2 (FCC ID BCGA1567) claims it has NFC:
What the heck? This is the same comment that's in the iPhone 6 SAR reports.
So either some of the tablets actually do have NFC capabilities, OR it was planned at one time and the comment wasn't updated, OR it was never planned and the comment was never correct.
Need more time to go through all the tablet reports.
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NFC Antenna Question
Can anyone help prove this antenna thing? See my thoughts on this, and help if you can or know anything.
http://doublediamondgroup.com/some-big-revelations-and-questions-about-apple-and-nfc/
Can anyone help prove this antenna thing? See my thoughts on this, and help if you can or know anything.
http://doublediamondgroup.com/some-big-revelations-and-questions-about-apple-and-nfc/
Here's hoping that Apple does have something up their sleeve and will enable NFC communication on the Air 2 in the future.
Possibly because it is wired to the Secure Element circuit.
If so, it is better to leave the NFC chip in place than to try to engineer another solution.
And NFC chips are dirt-cheap anyway.