NFL Football 2010/2011 Season

[mscriv]

I bet he comes in for the first series to keep the streak alive. They can always spin it to say he thought he could go, but after getting out there he realized he wasn't ready and pulled himself out to give the team the best chance to win. It's PR gold as he looks good either way in that scenario.

 

[MacDawg]

I bet he comes in for the first series to keep the streak alive. They can always spin it to say he thought he could go, but after getting out there he realized he wasn't ready and pulled himself out to give the team the best chance to win. It's PR gold as he looks good either way in that scenario.

I am not sure there is anything BF can do at this point to "look good"
I don't doubt he still has some fans, but he has even succeeded in alienating most of those who initially supported him

 

[63dot]

I bet he comes in for the first series to keep the streak alive. They can always spin it to say he thought he could go, but after getting out there he realized he wasn't ready and pulled himself out to give the team the best chance to win. It's PR gold as he looks good either way in that scenario.

He can play a few snaps but then I would pull him out if all the rumors and news reports (not much better) are correct.

If he was unable to even make a throwing motion three days after his last injury, it doesn't make sense to play him a whole game. That would be a guaranteed loss for the Vikings and the end of the season for Favre if he gets hit even slightly and goes down.

If he wants that streak to stay alive, let him hand off the ball a few times in the 1st quarter or make very short passes.

I think his 500 TDs and what may end up being 75,000 yards passing is what he wants to be remembered for besides winning the Super Bowl. Those are what people will mention long after he is gone, not his streak. All that streak tells me is that he was well protected, lucky, maybe that's he's tougher than the average QB, and that he probably played too long in the NFL.

 

[rhett7660]

We didn’t lose because of the QB. As one of the announcers said, our defense sucks.

I agree that last series before the 2 minute warning killed us. Our defense was a let down and they really have been all year.

But we still need a qb.

 

[MacNut]

In baseball you have to be in the game for at least 5 innings, do they have any length of time for Football. Can you just take one snap or do you have to be in longer? This is why I think the streak is a sham.

 

[rhett7660]

In baseball you have to be in the game for at least 5 innings, do they have any length of time for Football. Can you just take one snap or do you have to be in longer? This is why I think the streak is a sham.

I don't think they do. I think it is just a snap.

 

[MacDawg]

In baseball you have to be in the game for at least 5 innings, do they have any length of time for Football. Can you just take one snap or do you have to be in longer? This is why I think the streak is a sham.

One snap
And yes, a total sham

But BF is not above perpetrating scams for statistics
Remember, he laid down for Michael Strahan for the sack record

 

[-aggie-]

I agree that last series before the 2 minute warning killed us. Our defense was a let down and they really have been all year.

But we still need a qb.

You must be one of those that hates Romo. Anyway, you don’t think Kitna has been doing a good job?

JJ should concentrate on defense, get the best offensive line he can, and get rid of Terrence Newman.

 

[Mousse]

JJ should concentrate on defense, get the best offensive line he can, and get rid of Terrence Newman.

Nah, nah, nah... What Jerry Jones needs to do is back off and let the football people run the football side of the Boyz. They would perennial playoff contenders every year. There is just too much talent on that team to stink that bad.

 

[pivo6]

If Favre can still operate a cellphone, then he'll play. Personally I would have him strengthen his shoulder by holding a clipboard on the sidelines, but what do I know.

 

[dmr727]

You must be one of those that hates Romo.

Well he is kind of a douche, but that doesn't have much to do with his performance on the field.

 

[yellow]

I guess if you followed a specific team, regardless, you could subscribe to the NFL Ticket, or whatever it's called?

This is the first time in the last ~10 years that I haven't had it. I refuse to pay so damn much. And so far, I've only missed 2.5 games (the .5 being when they switched to the Fish/Jets yesterday).

Once again, it's good to be a Pats fan, as it has been so many many times in the new millennium.

 

[mscriv]

But we still need a qb.

Actually, in yesterday's game they showed a side by side comparison of Romo from the beginning of the season and Kitna from the time he has taken over. They had almost identical stats. Literally, the same TD's, I think Kitna had one more INT, and their completion percentages were very close. I think Romo's QB rating was 3 points higher. I'm sure there are some intangibles that Romo brings to the team when he's in there, but as far as stats go Kitna has been just as good.

 

[MacDawg]

I'm sure there are some intangibles that Romo brings to the team when he's in there, but as far as stats go Kitna has been just as good.

Or just as bad?

 

[-aggie-]

Or just as bad?

That’s a ridiculous comment.

 

[MacDawg]

That’s a ridiculous comment.

I think the Cowboys' 4-9 season speaks for itself, and like it or not, much of the success or lack of success rests on the QB. I didn't say he was bad, just asked the question. To say he has been as good as Romo begs the question.

 

[mscriv]

Or just as bad?

I get it Dawg, but careful there, where would your precious Falcon's be if Matt Ryan got injured? My point in posting was to give more evidence that the QB difficulties in Dallas are not the primary reason for their lack of performance this season. It's a part of it, but not the biggest part in my opinion.

 

[MacDawg]

I get it Dawg, but careful there, where would your precious Falcon's be if Matt Ryan got injured? My point in posting was to give more evidence that the QB difficulties in Dallas are not the primary reason for their lack of performance this season. It's a part of it, but not the biggest part in my opinion.

Actually, Ryan and Kitna are very close in QB ratings, 13th and 14th I think. But you are right, the Falcons would be SOL without Ryan. My point is, the QB position brings far more than stats, it is leadership and performance in the clutch, something Ryan excels in, but apparently, based on the 4-9 record, neither Romo or Kitna have done.

The Cowboys rank 25th in total defense and the Falcons 17th. So it isn't always about stats, it is about performing when it counts.

 

[mscriv]

^^^ I agree and I also think the Romo's leadership abilities are suspect. Dallas just seems to be one of those teams that lacks definite player leaders. On defense Brooking seems to be trying to step up as the vocal leader and motivator, but I'm not sure how effective he is in that role. On offense they just seem to fly by the seat of their pants and the lack of consistency and execution has really been evident this year. I think back to when TO was in Dallas and all the rumors/talk about how Romo seemed to "tip toe" around him and try to avoid upsetting him. Maybe it's just me, but I love those old school leader type QB's that have no problem grabbing a teammate by the face mask and getting nose to nose with him. Granted there are different leadership styles and as a fan we are on the outside looking in, but you just get that feeling that some guys have it and some guys don't.

 

[63dot]

I think the Cowboys' 4-9 season speaks for itself, and like it or not, much of the success or lack of success rests on the QB. I didn't say he was bad, just asked the question. To say he has been as good as Romo begs the question.

Far more of a team's win-loss record depends on defense. Just take a look at the Cowboys of the '90s, the current Pats, the early 2000s Bucs, the Steelers in the old days and now, the LT-era Giants, and da Bears in their great season in 1985-86.

Atlanta's ability to stop the pass and run, and their increasing skills week after week on defense should put the Falcons in just the right space come playoff time. Just when a team is worried about Atlanta's offense, any lack of attention to their defense can doom them. The Falcons didn't get to where they are because of a QB, or even largely because of a QB. It takes a complete team to win most of the time, but if D is not there, you can never win through playoffs.

 

[MacDawg]

^^^
The current Pats are 27th in total defense
But they are 8th in total offense

The Falcons are where they are because their offense protects their defense
They lead the NFL in drives of more than 10 yards
Roddy White leads the NFL in 3rd down catches for 1st downs
They are the best 3rd down team in the league I believe

In addition, fewest turnovers, fewest penalties and fewest pre-snap penalties

They don't beat themselves, and they deliver in the clutch

 

[63dot]

^^^
The current Pats are 27th in total defense
But they are 8th in total offense

Sure, that's one example. I will throw one back at you. What then of one of the greatest offenses ever seen in the Raiders when they met up with the Bucs in the Super Bowl. Madden isn't kidding when he says, in general, good defense beats good offense.

The offense is much more glamorous and fun for writers to get off on, but the trenches of defense, stopping the run on third downs, and putting pressure on opposing QBs is what wins games. It's not as easily visible or fun to watch, but when a D is doing their job, a good QB will have a bad day. When the Pats went against the Giants in the Super Bowl, most expected Brady to throw many touchdowns and get a lot of air. Who cares about the fact that the Giants held the Pats to low points? Do you think a lowly rated QB like Eli Manning made the difference in that game? Eli just had to have his regular mediocre passing day while the Giants D quietly made Brady look like he was a rookie.

See how the Pats would stack up against a top NFC team in the Super Bowl. Atlanta will kill them if the Pats enter the Super Bowl ranked 27th on D.

Brady is very talented, especially given his age, and he could play until age 40 and get another ring or two and maybe break some of Favre's records, but this will be harder each year if his D doesn't give him much breathing room.

The Pats can't expect Brady to make it into field goal range or get a touchdown on nearly every possession.

 

[MacDawg]

^^^^
I agree in general about great (not good) defenses, like the SuperBowl Ravens, Bears, etc.

But I disagree about the Falcons killing the Pats in a SuperBowl
I am not sure the Birds can hang with them with OUR defense

 

[pivo6]

@BreakingNews reports that Favre is inactive for the game. The streak ends.

 

[rhett7660]

You must be one of those that hates Romo. Anyway, you don’t think Kitna has been doing a good job?

JJ should concentrate on defense, get the best offensive line he can, and get rid of Terrence Newman.

Oh no, I like Romo a lot. I just don't think Kitna has what it takes to lead this team that is all. I have like Romo since day one!

I agree, Newman has to go. We need some speed in the defensive secondary!!!