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Nikkei: 2022 iPhone SE to Feature A15 Chip, 5G, and 4.7-Inch Display
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Since there have been only two versions of the SE so far, it’s difficult to generalise. However, an upgrade from a 3nm to 5nm+ processor and LTE to 5G (with an X60 modem) is a significant upgrade.
Did you mean LCD?
It isn’t only about the chassis. For instance, the current iPhone SE chassis has stayed largely the same since it first appeared in 2014. 3D Touch appeared in 2015 and was then replaced by Haptic Touch last year. In the meantime, the headphone jack disappeared in 2016. Wireless charging was introduced in 2018. Let’s see what else (other than the processor and modem) changes next year.
If they make the new SE as a flagship phone while retaining the design, maybe name it the iPhone 9, and sell it at the same price as the new smaller iPhone Pro (starting at $999), would you still buy it?
I just want to make sure that your design preferences are not budgetary.
This design was part of flagship models from 2014 until 2018. The higher expense of flagship models is due to new features (e.g. Face ID, OLED display, multiple cameras, etc.). The same features will ultimately trickle down to the SE when the development costs are recovered.
you suggest the SE should use the mini chasis , thats all screen and a huge screen. If you choose so, or whoever wants, you can get the Mini or any all screen iPhone since X model. SE is the only one left for those who favour a home button, touchID, and a 4.7 screen that you can navigate one handed and reach all 4 corners with your thumb.
So I would rebuttal and say, if you believe that the world does not compromise of Apple and you alone and every opinion is valuable then let the last home button+touchID+4.7 inch screen to exist.
It may seem trivial, but it is next to impossible to apply a screen guard on the latest SE. Who wants a phone that has bubbles and edges on the screen? Will that be addressed? I got rid of my SE for that very reason, although the phone itself was fine. And believe me, I tried many screen guards.
The next version of Apple's budget iPhone SE could arrive in the first half of 2022 and look very similar to the current design that's based on the iPhone 8, according to a new report from Nikkei Asia. The main upgrades in the new model will be Apple's A15 chip that will appear first in the 2021 flagship iPhone 13 lineup, as well as 5G support provided by Qualcomm's X60 modem chip.
Just yesterday, a report from DigiTimes claimed that the 2022 iPhone SE will include an A14 chip rather than the A15 chip Nikkei is claiming.
With the next iPhone SE remaining similar in design to the current model, it will retain a 4.7-inch LCD rather than shifting to a larger LCD or an OLED display. The report doesn't specifically address whether the new model will include a Home button, but the consistent design suggests that a Touch ID Home button will be included on the new model.The report also corroborates other recent claims that the 2022 flagship iPhone lineup will not include a 5.4-inch "mini" model, as sales of the iPhone 12 mini have proven disappointing. Instead, Apple will introduce a second 6.7-inch model, apparently yielding two "iPhone 14" and two "iPhone 14 Pro" models, each in 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch sizes.Nikkei Asia says this year's iPhone 13 lineup should begin mass production next month, with Apple set to produce as many as 95 million units through the end of January. Overall, Apple is expected to produce 230 million iPhones in 2021, an 11% increase compared to 2020.
Article Link: Nikkei: 2022 iPhone SE to Feature A15 Chip, 5G, and 4.7-Inch Display
I wanted to know if the vocal supporters of small phones will buy a flagship small phone that is priced at the iPhone Pro level, starting at $999.
Do they really prefer the smaller phones and they are willing to pay more than the iPhone Pro Max to get it, or do they just want a cheaper iPhone regardless of the size.
If Apple sells iPhone Pro Max at $399, would those vocal small phone people buy this over the flagship small iPhone that starts at $999?
I understood your premise. I meant to say the size of the phone did not affect sales back then especially since there wasn’t much of choice. The situation is different now with 4 different sizes.
The sales of the iPhone 12 mini should partly answer your question. But, preferences of individual users cannot be gauged from it. I, for instance, would never go for a flagship model as I (based on my requirements) do not find most of them worth the price.
To answer your question in a different way, I wouldn’t buy the iPhone 12 mini even if it were available at the same price as the current iPhone SE as I prefer Touch ID with the Home button and LCD over OLED. Apple doesn’t let us cherry-pick features. So, it’s a matter of luck there’s a model with the features I value the most at a price I find worth paying.
So, just like I thought, I think people just wanted a simple, basic, reliable, no-tricks, cheap, bare-minimum, but current iPhone that has a great battery life to throw around, that will be supported by iOS upgrades for many many years. Bang for your buck, if you will.
Being physically small was never the point.
Better value for money is something one could expect regardless of the manufacturer and model.
I guess you did not understand my comment. “I wouldn’t buy the iPhone 12 mini even if it were available at the same price as the current iPhone SE as I prefer Touch ID with the Home button and LCD over OLED.” I wouldn’t have said this had price been the only factor. The iPhone SE and the mini are both small, but the former has features (Touch ID, Home button, etc.) some of us prefer. Features matter as much as the price and size.
If the Pro Max were available at a much lower price than the mini, I would still not go for it. How long Apple retains a small phone remains to be seen.
The chassis matters because have to fit extra "stuff" inside. If doesn't fit then it won't go.
Changes this year on the Mini? Probably not much ( a tweak on the camera(s) and better radios) . And the reported direction is that they won't do a mini next year. If true , then even more likely it would stay the same next year. Once there is a 2-3 year old ecosystem of accessories ( cases , holders, etc. ) then isn't much upside to doing radical chassis changes to disrupt that for an affordable product line. ( Apple isn't going to try to drive the cost of those complements up and take lower spend percentage on their component. )
As much as Apple labeled the headphone jack as 'old' it was probably far more dropped to get bigger haptic engine space. The SE2 already has enough to get by with what it has got and tossing the headphone jack is still a dual edge sword with folks who have headphones. ( lack of headphones still gets widespread sneers and grumbles from most of the tech press and enthusiasts. ) The SE update rumor covers a better radio (x60), but very doubtful Apple will put much effort into better antennas for the radio. ( it will work , just not optimized for maximum potential speed. ). Might get some "hand me down" cameras if being phased out of the leading edge iPhones and easily physically fit.
If sitting around waiting for radical change in the SE next year, then think that is bad expectation management.
The 3D Touch was a road to nowhere. The SE and SE2 skipping them didn't hurt. That is actually a counter example new feature on the primary iPhone being a leading indicator for the SE. If one is off chasing the latest tech shiny that Apple tosses onto the "have to update every Fall" iPhone to put some gap between iPhone n+1 from iPhone n , then probably largely decoupled from the role in the iPhone lineup the SE plays. The SE is just suppose to be a solid , useful, relatively affordable iPhone. That's primarily it. (implicitly because Apple promotes the notion that bigger screens mean higher price tag across vast majority of their product line ... also generally means smaller screen. ) .
P.S. Typically Apple has rolled what fell off the end of the mainstream iPhone retirement train to be rebadged as being a "SE". In the Fall, the new iPhone N. pushed the iPhone (N-3) off the end. This year the 13 should push the XR ( a then variant) out into retirement.
I doubt that will happen for the XR. First, the SE2 already has a better SoC ( A13 versus A12) and has parity on camera and several other non biometrics features. Including radio antenna optimizations ( The XR wasn't designed to cover a wider set of bands in a substantially better way. SE2 tech specs has more bands listed. So XR doesn't give an inside track to much, much better 5G sub6 with minimalistic chassis changes.). While Apple could do some minor internal upgrades to the XR, that is a big screen size jump only later to probably go 'backwards' when the "mini" fall off the end.
The screen is smaller on the SE2 ( so should cost less than XR) and TouchID is very likely cheaper also. That margin edge should let them slide in. A15 ( or A14) and a Qualcomm x60 with no price increases (versus trying to do same thing with an XR which still needs another $100 cut to get down to $399 with its current stuff. ). So just defer until the first 5G designed iPhone falls into retirement ... which reportedly will be the mini will "die off" faster than the iPhone 12 will ( still has two more iterations at lower price points until close to "retirement". ) [ 12 mini probably gets immediately superseded with 13 and no "aged phase out" due to relatively low volume . So 2-3 years from now would be a retired 'new' chassis ready for SE badging. (presuming Apple can squeeze the costs down to $399 at that point.) ]
The coolest thing would be the mini rebranded as SE. However I don't care so much about the "old" SE form factor I want the late chip it has. That's a great combination.
Here is hoping for Touch ID in the 13 otherwise I'll wait for this next SE.
Here is hoping for Touch ID in the 13 otherwise I'll wait for this next SE.
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By fitting more functionality than the iPhone SE in a slightly smaller chassis, they have proved otherwise. I don’t mean they can use the chassis indefinitely while adding more functionality.
Yes. The SE is the antithesis of radical change. It’s about using an older, reliable design for which the investment has already been recovered for a low-end model.
The mini is likely to appear as the SE in 3-4 years. It’s some specific features of the old design some of us here are referring to (Home button and Touch ID).
If rumours are to be believed, Touch ID is expected next year. It would be great to have it this year considering masks will be around for some time.
This year is anyway more of a ‘S’ year. The major design changes happened last year. The most significant update this time is expected to be the LTPO display on the Pro models to support higher refresh rates.
A more plausible reason (mentioned in reports) was to sell AirPods. They were released around the same time. Considering there are rumours of a portless phone in the future, this can be considered as the beginning. They should probably even consider dropping the SIM tray in favour of eSIM.
It’ll be the moment of truth for those of us in favour of the Home button and Touch ID.
I did just put a new battery in there. THe problem is this phone has gotten noticeably slow…many times to the point of frustration.
Mine going relatively strong still and about to put a new battery in for another 1 year maybe bit more. You maxed out your hard drive? Could be another cause for sluggishness. I dumped a lot on my internal drive to cloud and it got more responsive. Worst case fear is of course hardware may have reached the final straight to EOL. The 6S series was insanely well built for such a small light device but Father Time comes for everything with a time limit.
As a happy owner of an SE 2020 phone, the reasons I chose it are not cost.
I do not want a phone lacking Touch ID. No iPhone other than the SE can provide this currently.
Unlike many people, I don't need my phone to do everything under the sun. I have an iPad for that. However having the option to retain a format I'm familiar with (and have zero complaints about) while getting newer technology support under the hood like 5G, WiFi 6, latest Bluetooth, etc. and a new battery... this is a great option to stay compliant with the networks and devices around me.
Cost comes last, but being able to buy the phone in cash and barely notice it in the wallet is a great experience.
If the Mini 12 came with Touch ID (and the assumed option to avoid Face ID) I would have thought it through... however it didn't, and I think this SE 2020 phone just works for me.
If any 2022 model is announced and it's only offering an updated CPU/GPU but nothing else, I will pass. That and 5G I will need to think about. Improved battery life on top of those and I will likely do it. All depends on trade value of the SE 2020 and the battery health at the time. I'm also not very happy with the privacy moves Apple has made lately and may choose to hold back out of caution. I'm currently avoiding taking the new iOS for the first time I can think of.
I do not want a phone lacking Touch ID. No iPhone other than the SE can provide this currently.
Unlike many people, I don't need my phone to do everything under the sun. I have an iPad for that. However having the option to retain a format I'm familiar with (and have zero complaints about) while getting newer technology support under the hood like 5G, WiFi 6, latest Bluetooth, etc. and a new battery... this is a great option to stay compliant with the networks and devices around me.
Cost comes last, but being able to buy the phone in cash and barely notice it in the wallet is a great experience.
If the Mini 12 came with Touch ID (and the assumed option to avoid Face ID) I would have thought it through... however it didn't, and I think this SE 2020 phone just works for me.
If any 2022 model is announced and it's only offering an updated CPU/GPU but nothing else, I will pass. That and 5G I will need to think about. Improved battery life on top of those and I will likely do it. All depends on trade value of the SE 2020 and the battery health at the time. I'm also not very happy with the privacy moves Apple has made lately and may choose to hold back out of caution. I'm currently avoiding taking the new iOS for the first time I can think of.
I strongly prefer Touch ID as well...but after playing around with my daughter's 12 Mini I can see how to set up Face ID to mitigate the issues I have with it (which may not be the issues you have with it, so YMMV). I do intend to upgrade my SE 2020, probably when it hits the two-year-old mark.
I recognize my preference for Touch ID and my gripes about (or unusable features on) the flagship phones are entirely 100% subjective.
I'm just speaking up to say there is a true demographic for these phones that isn't based on cost.
I "had" a SE 2020. This may seem trivial, but it was enough for me to get rid of it. No matter how many times I tried, I COULD NEVER GET A SCREENGUARD TO FIT PROPERLY. The screen's form allowed air entrapment. If it wasn't that "trivial" but important fact, I loved the iPhone.