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According to the Wikipedia (give me another source if there is a good one for all 3):
Xbox One sales - 3.0 million
PS 4 sales - 4.2 million
Wii U sales - 4.3 million

And Wii U is FAILING? I love how some people interpret numbers.

I would more say that Xbox1 and PS 4 finally caught up to the Wii U, and the year ahead will determine who catches hold. Sure, the Wii U had a year's lead time, but they also didn't have any flagship Mario games until late November when Super Mario 3D World came out. In my opinion, the race starts now.

The Wii (100 million) well outperformed the PS3 (80 million) and Xbox 360 (78.2 million) in sales. I love how just because the hard-core gamers love the PS3 and Xbox 360 over the Wii (and also with the next generation), that they want to bury Nintendo again. All gamers aren't the same. If you want to say the Wii U is failing with 'hard core gamers' - go ahead, that's true, but saying the Wii U is failing overall is completely inaccurate.

The Wii had shipped/sold around 20 million units its 1st year

Xbox One's major flagship games aren't out yet (Halo, Titanfall, etc.)
PS4's major flagship games aren't out yet (Uncharted, God of War, etc.)

and they are already about to over take (or already have most likely in the case of the PS4) the overall Wii U sales
 
Wii U is a flop? They've still sold more than the Xbox One and the PS4.

This is incorrect. First, the Wii U has been selling worldwide since December 2012, while the Xbox One was launched in part of the world in November 2013, and still isn't available in significant markets like Japan. Comparing one year of global sales to one month of limited sales is misleading. A fair comparison would be the number of Wii Us sold in the first month of availability.

Nonetheless, the partial Xbox One sales have been published. For the launch on Nov. 22 to the end of 2013, MSFT sold 3.9 million Xbox Ones:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/microsoft-releases-xbox-one-exact-sales-numbers/

The PS4 has had even better results. The title of this article, "PS4 beats Wii U lifetime sales in 48 hours", says it all:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/next-gen-so-far-ps4-beats-wii-u-lifetime-sales-in-48-hours

Those sales were done even with a rather sparse set of titles. Once we see a year of worldwide sales of these consoles, it will be very clear how poorly the Wii U is doing, if it isn't obvious already.
 
So, in other words, Nintendo just don't get it. They're doomed.

Apple doesn't get it. You can't play serious games on an iPhone or iPad because they don't have any meaningful controller support. Someone said he's going to play Ocarina of Time on his iPhone, but that's a lie. I have the N64 emulator on my iPhone; it's hardly even usable for Mario Kart 64.

The 3DS is selling fine. Obviously, the Wii U isn't because it has approximately 0 games for it. Changing to iPhone won't help. If anything, Nintendo should only resell the old games on iPhone if/once they totally lose their control in the console business. Why should they prostitute their brand name so early?

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Little will help Nintendo. They were in trouble a long time ago.

Yeah. I don't know about 3DS, but they haven't made any great games since the GameCube. Some of them were pretty good, though. There's still Pokémon, and I'm surprised they haven't worn that out yet because I got tired of it after 3 games.
 
I agree with most of your comments. I would like to call out a nuance or two.

I think that like apple there are multiple components here -- software, hardware, and ecosystem. I agree that on the software and ecosystem, Nintendo is executing very well and has some valuable assets. The concern I have, and I think a lot of other folks, is on the hardware portion. That concern is an entire industry concern. Even if they were able to get back to a better console experience (like the XBox), the question is whether there is room for a dedicated console in the future. Sure as a niche there will be for a long time, but I am asking about the masses.

Nintendo is not doing well with their hardware, and I question whether dedicated hardware is even the way to go. So, for Nintendo, they can bet on staying with the dedicated hardware, and focus on executing better -- maybe taking your playbook. Or they can get out of the hardware business all together and focus on maximizing profits on the software and ecosystem. Angry Bird is an example of how a software house can execute quite well. And Nintendo can do that many times over with their assets.

If I believed that the console is not dead, then I would be with you on keeping everything within their walled garden. However, I believe that for 70 to 80 percent of gaming, consoles are no longer the way to and the real asset is the software. So in my playbook, I would transition away from hardware all together and redevelop the powerhouse games to work on iOS, Androids, Windows, OS X, whatever. I believe they can be extremely profitable without the burden of hardware manufacturing and the capital required to maintain that supply chain.

I would argue that the impressive sales of the Xbox One and Playstation 4 within 24 hours of their launch is plenty of evidence that console gaming is alive and well. If console gaming was dying we'd see a drop in all video game sales, thus far we have not.

Perhaps what were seeing now is that pre-smartphone era, a DS/Vita handheld or Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony console (or PC) was the ONLY way to play video games.

Now the gamers who would rather have their games on their phone have gone to phone land. For them, the phone satisfies their gaming desires, and serves as a mobile computer that can also make phone calls.

Their are still people who want to play HD games on their big TV's with big speakers, and/or want a dedicated handheld for mobile gaming, a handheld that doesn't sacrifice any functionality because it also has to be a phone/computer.

that doesn't mean the console and handheld consumers are now dying off. Their numbers just aren't bolstered anymore by the people who used to have no other choice.

What Nintendo needs to do is find a way to prove they deserve a spot in your living room.

I don't know what Nintendo has to do to achieve this, i'm just an actor in New York, I am not a game designer or even a writer of the subject.

Maybe Nintendo need to release more 1st party titles than 2 or 3 a year, maybe they need to make a machine that can play said 1st party titles and has the horsepower to play the most popular 3rd party titles also (Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Infamous, Need for Speed, Call of Duty, etc), at the same or similar graphics quality. Maybe the solution is a little of both.

There's a lot of things Nintendo can do, but throwing old and new games at other platforms for a quick buck would be disastrous for the brand.
 
I haven't decided which one of the 'adult' consoles to get yet - the PS4 or the Xbox One, I'll undoubtedly get one of those too, to compliment our Wii U, but we'll continue to buy games for both consoles. My daughter's idea of a good game is different from mine, but I understand the market for both.

That's part of the problem. The Wii U is just as much of an "adult" system as the PS4 or XboxOne. It has everything, from games to features, that cater perfectly to the "adult" market in addition to the younger demographic.

Just need more games.
 
Wii U is a flop? They've still sold more than the Xbox One and the PS4.

I agree that Nintendo is ignoring the gaming industry. They think that their name 'Nintendo' along with the Mario franchise, and their ideas of using the motion controllers will win. They were right to ignore the industry with the Wii. They won the console wars in the last round. The problem with this round is that most people do not think the Wii U is any different from the Wii. Is Nintendo doing ANY advertising to let people know the difference?

I've got both. A Wii U for my 5-year old daughter, and she just loves it. I love playing the Mario games with her, it's the most fun with I've had with video games in a long time.

I haven't decided which one of the 'adult' consoles to get yet - the PS4 or the Xbox One, I'll undoubtedly get one of those too, to compliment our Wii U, but we'll continue to buy games for both consoles. My daughter's idea of a good game is different from mine, but I understand the market for both.

4 million units in over a little over a year vs 4 million for two months on each console. Sells for cheaper than the current gen consoles. The X1 and PS4 don't have their flagship titles out yet and they are far larger than Mario alone. Forecast cut by nearly 70%, profits down....yeah it's a flop.
 
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Nintendo is Valued today at $2.6B - why doesn't Apple just buy them and own the Mario and Pokemon franchises?

It's certainly worth as much as Nests' $3B acquisition. Maybe they should jump on this before Mario gets ported to Android first.....

Seems like a no-brainer.
 
The rumor never made sense to me. The development effort required to bring a mini game to iOS or Android would likely be huge. And how could you convey the experience of the game without, in the least, a console style controller? Nothing about this rumor made sense to me.
 
Nintendo is Valued today at $2.6B - why doesn't Apple just buy them and own the Mario and Pokemon franchises?



It's certainly worth as much as Nests' $3B acquisition. Maybe they should jump on this before Mario gets ported to Android first.....



Seems like a no-brainer.


Exactly what I was thinking. Would be a great move. Both are similar high quality companies with similar vibes
 
This will not work, they are still thinking backwards. I love Nintendo, always have. It is a part of my life and my childhood. I still have my mint condition NES 2 controllers and Zapper and dozens of games. I also have a Wii because it was different and it was revolutionary. But I didn't look twice at a Wii U or any form of a DS. Nintendo needs to do what Sega did and get out of the Console making business (Sadly) They are dying and they need to license their titles to SONY and Xbox Arcade and iOS and Android and Windows Phone. They will make wayyyyy more money this way because the majority of their business will be digital distribution thus reducing overhead costs. Yes people will lose some jobs but Nintendo will survive and probably thrive because it is undeniable that their titles are fun and enjoyable. Graphics aren't everything, quality of gameplay is and Nintendo gets that, I wish they could get the fact that they need to stop making cosnoles.
 
I Vote Apple should Buy Nintendo!

Apple should buy Nintendo, then the new console can be a merger of ATV, Nintendo and iTunes. How sick wold that be??? HEELLA Sick :D

Both companies believe in hardware software built platforms. They are the only two who are really dedicated to that model. So, why not?
 
Nintendo is on the path of failure. They need to stop being so stubborn with an outdated business model that obviously hasn't been working for them for the past few years. They need to embrace that people want their games on their smartphones (like Sonic the Hedgehog and a few others being offered on iOS). They could port games over, throw some money at advertising, and even make a damn controller for iOS devices. I'm willing to bet they would make more money doing that then their current methods.
 
Apple should buy Nintendo, then the new console can be a merger of ATV, Nintendo and iTunes. How sick wold that be??? HEELLA Sick :D

Both companies believe in hardware software built platforms. They are the only two who are really dedicated to that model. So, why not?

Apple first needs to get their act together with controller support. Then we can talk about buying Nintendo.
 
They need to make a $30 attachment screen to mimic the DS, then release all of their games on iOS. It's time, Nintendo....
 
Attention executives of Nintendo. I have an iPhone and money. I would like to give you money.

Money!

Your games + iOS and the money is yours.
 
Many investors and Nintendo fans have called for the legendary game company to embrace mobile platforms, but the company's executives have so far remained steadfast in focusing their valuable game franchises only on Nintendo-branded hardware.
Nay lad, many "Apple fans". Nintendo fans already own the hardware the games are released on.

No report or mentioning the fact Nintendo stock is back to normal now? Business as usual.

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Attention executives of Nintendo. I have an iPhone and money. I would like to give you money.

Money!

Your games + iOS and the money is yours.

I have an iPhone and money too, I give it them already by purchasing their games on Wii U and 3DS :).

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Nintendo is on the path of failure. They need to stop being so stubborn with an outdated business model that obviously hasn't been working for them for the past few years.

The past few years: fastest selling Pokemon game ever, best selling handheld console ever, previous generation they had the best selling home console of all time (or, neck and neck with the PS2).
Granted the Wii U isn't doing so great, just like the N64 and GC didn't do so great for them either.

http://gaminrealm.com/2014/01/23/nintendo-stock-returns-normal/
 
I think Nintendo are working on a smartphone that can play Nintendo games.

I wonder how much money do they have? Just buy blackberry and port all their games over. That could actually be pretty cool to have themes for your phone based off of various Nintendo characters.

They wouldn't need to develop a phone.
 
IMO, I think Nintendo really need to do something.

I mean, if u don't want to develop new games on the mobile front fine...how about releasing Virtual console games instead? Honestly, this market will be huge and the HW of current gen mobile platforms are way more capable than your SNES and NES and will not be a problem. Then start releasing HW like controllers for these platforms. Now u open up a world of buyers that weren't available before and you can continue to focus on the current stuff on your console as well. Maybe will even entice some users from the mobile platforms to your consoles...

They also REALLY need to improve the customer service, the last 3 times I have to call to resolve my problems have ended up with worst situations. I felt more like talking to a bunch of ticket monkies rather than a person.

Start enticing and locking users in like how PS+ is doing it. Give consumers some taste of your awesome games and they will be hooked! I have to say, the current round of console war, Sony is taking the crown IMO.

I am a LONG time FAN of Nintendo since the days of Game & Watch...yes I am OLD...lol. I know what I want in a Gaming experience; JUST GET YOUR ARSE IN GEAR NINTENDO!!!!
 
It looks like it is time for investors to start shorting Nintendo stock. They have no strategy for the future.

They are like RIM 2.0.
 
Typical Japanese Tech Company

Nintendo is falling into the same trap as Sony..... a once great company that insists on pushing their own little standard rather than joining the dominant flow of the industry.... Sony did this over and over... MiniDisc, Memory Stick, Betamax... all good standards but not accepted by industry, they pushed them anyway...

Nintendo needs to get out of the hardware business, or make truly cutting edge hardware that competes with MS and Sony, and includes all their games.

Their strength is in the software... they can make games for mobile and do extremely well.

They could even make an android based phone that also runs exclusive nintendo games. That might do very well.
 
In other words, Nintendo is dumb to not make games for mobile iOS and Android devices. If Nintendo wants to lose money, then that's fine by me.
 
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