I haven't read any comments yet, but I bet that while before most people here didn't have an opinion of Nintendo, they will now regard them as an evil lazy company that never innovates and must be destroyed. Or at least wait till Steve comments about them, if he chooses to, and then they can formulate an idea. But for now lazy, because Steve like to use that word.
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Nintendo Takes Aim at Apple as 'Enemy of the Future'
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Good reasons, one and all. BUT, IMO, the most important aspect of a game, its raison d'être, is the fun factor. Nintendo has Apple beat in that department. Most iPhone games are fun for about 5-10 minutes. Then it gets repeative. Games on the DS are engaging for hours on end.
Oh god, it's not shaking in their boots, it's looking ahead on how the future market will be like an adjusting to it. If companies didn't look at ahead at future trends, then they would go bankrupt.
Not true.
Hotel Mario - CD-i
Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon, and Zeldas Adventure - CD-i
Mario is Missing!, Mario Teaches Typing, Mario's Time Machine - Mac/PC
To be fair, these games were not published by Nintendo. Still, this shows that they have allowed their franchises to appear on non-Nintendo consoles.
http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-sales-top-70-million-ds-surpasses-game-boy-as-nintendos-profit-falls-18-in-fiscal-2010/ said:
Still looks like their forecast is pretty Wii heavy (since Wii hardware and software are more expensive than their DS counterparts), but the 50% growth from this year in DS units implies confidence in the 3DS.
Will Apple ever evolve the
TV to bring apps to an HDTV near you? Personally I'd like to see what they might do with an A4 based media streamer (think iPad without battery or screen). Like with some iPad games you could potentially use your iPod Touch/iPhone as a controller...B
That's all true for the hardcore players, but not the casual ones. Nintendo is basically talking about the mindless quick game market.
I think the competition is all in Nintendo's boots. Not sure Apple cares. I am not a hard core gamer, I would never own Nintendo technology. Nor would most of my friends buy something just to play games. But a good phone, with desktop style apps and all my other contact info that ALSO plays games is a different story. Nintendo is nowhere near doing that.
Uhh, portable radios using transistors have been around since the 1950s. I believe even the first ones were not much bigger than the original iPod. Vacuum tube based radios were available before that. So a portable device that played music certainly wouldn't have been unbelievable to people in 1960.
I hope so. I like a few App Store games and I wish there were more great quality ones.
You're right there. I paid $10 for the GTA:CW app and it seems expansive for an app but cheap compared to a DS or PSP game. But then again you don't pay for the physical game, box, little book that comes with it, and lower quality.
I have a wii that hasn't been touched since the Christmas after it came out. That thing was designed for little kids and old folks who think standing on box equals working out so I guess I'm not the target demographic. And iPhone gaming to me is casual as can be. I'm only doing it because the phone happens to be in my pocket and im bored (or taking a dump).
If anyone needs proof that many Macrumors posters have ZERO business sense, this thread is it.
OF COURSE Nintendo will see the iPod/touch/pad as competitors; they should have seen it two years ago.
You don't win in business by waiting until it's obvious who your competitors are; you scope them out in advance and deal with them now (while still keeping within your own limits). It's not a trivial or easy thing to do, but that's why smart businessmen are so few....
OF COURSE Nintendo will see the iPod/touch/pad as competitors; they should have seen it two years ago.
You don't win in business by waiting until it's obvious who your competitors are; you scope them out in advance and deal with them now (while still keeping within your own limits). It's not a trivial or easy thing to do, but that's why smart businessmen are so few....
Apple along with other smart phone makers now own the portable gaming market. Unless Nintendo wants to compete in the smartphone space, they better be prepared to serve the 6-12 year old, pre-cell phone user, age group.
If Apple wanted to, they could release a gamers dock for the ipad with HDMI out and wireless controllers and instantly take on the Wii in the living room.
If Apple wanted to, they could release a gamers dock for the ipad with HDMI out and wireless controllers and instantly take on the Wii in the living room.
I really don't see why they have to be enemies. Both the DS and iPhone/iPod Touch are great in their own rights.
I summary, the only reason companies like Apple and Nintendo create their software is to boost sales of their hardware.
Don't forget Pokemon. 2nd biggest gaming franchise after Mario
Like Apple, Nintendo is a hardware company, not a software company. The games (software) they make are incentives for people to buy a DS. If you could get Super Mario for PSP it would be less likely for someone to buy a DS. Same with Apple. Apple has OSX as an incentive to buy their hardware. If OSX were offered on other non Apple computers and Apple were to give support for non Apple computers, there would be less of an incentive to buy Apple computers.
I summary, the only reason companies like Apple and Nintendo create their software is to boost sales of their hardware.
The key word in the original statement is "future." They are looking ahead. Jobs last year talked about the iFamily being gaming machines (in addition to their other purposes). If I was Nintendo, I'd always be on the lookout for people working their way into my market.
This kind of thing is covered in most business schools by the second year. I learned it as SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats). Most companies do a SWOT analysis of some sort yearly and some companies more frequently. Apple is a threat on the horizon to Nintendo and they're smart to recognize it.
This kind of thing is covered in most business schools by the second year. I learned it as SWOT (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats). Most companies do a SWOT analysis of some sort yearly and some companies more frequently. Apple is a threat on the horizon to Nintendo and they're smart to recognize it.
Nintendo should embrace the app store
Seriously. I mean there are 100's of torrents out there now where someone has read the eprom on the old game cartriges for Nintendo, Atari, etc and created a PC emulator that allows you to play these games on your PC. I know, I used to have them all for Sony, Nintendo, Commodore 64, etc. I am just not a big gamer anymore. I have maybe 5 games on my phone.
But if Nintendo is worried about competition and their bottom line.... I see it as an opportunity for them to embrace the app store and create lots of games. they will sell 1000's if not millions. And that will also help Apple even further dive into the gaming community.
And since Nintendo does manufactuare hardware - let them come up with a joystick controller (wow, people still use joysticks. I guess I have been out of gaming for a while). Again, a boom in sales for Nintendo.
Seriously. I mean there are 100's of torrents out there now where someone has read the eprom on the old game cartriges for Nintendo, Atari, etc and created a PC emulator that allows you to play these games on your PC. I know, I used to have them all for Sony, Nintendo, Commodore 64, etc. I am just not a big gamer anymore. I have maybe 5 games on my phone.
But if Nintendo is worried about competition and their bottom line.... I see it as an opportunity for them to embrace the app store and create lots of games. they will sell 1000's if not millions. And that will also help Apple even further dive into the gaming community.
And since Nintendo does manufactuare hardware - let them come up with a joystick controller (wow, people still use joysticks. I guess I have been out of gaming for a while). Again, a boom in sales for Nintendo.
This battle is not over but it was won 2 years ago. By Apple. Now they will simply pull away from the pack. As usual focused on the highest margin and revenue portion of the market, not sheer unit volume. Although it appears they are also achieving the highest unit volume of title sales.
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People just do not want to carry more than one device in their pocket or bag if they can help it. That's why Sony's wonderful Clie range fell flat on it's face. It had all the potential in the world, and the designs in the high end were really incredible, the build quality was the best Sony has put out in any of their products...
.. but you couldn't make a call from it. And at a time when smart phones were about to boom - terrible play on Sony's part.
Are Nintendo really considering making a smart mobile device? 5 or 6 years ago Apple were making computers, now we have phones and tablets. I'd be very interested to see what a company of Nintendo's innovation and funding could develop.
But if they try to take Apple on with anything that can't make a phone call, I'll be very unimpressed. I'm not lugging around 2 or 3 devices. I want one thing and I want it to do everything.
The market isn't conquered yet. We still have closed proprietary devices that miss functionality for xyz excuse, and those that are more open are slower and more bloated. It's going to be years until someone really comes in and innovates.
.. but you couldn't make a call from it. And at a time when smart phones were about to boom - terrible play on Sony's part.
Are Nintendo really considering making a smart mobile device? 5 or 6 years ago Apple were making computers, now we have phones and tablets. I'd be very interested to see what a company of Nintendo's innovation and funding could develop.
But if they try to take Apple on with anything that can't make a phone call, I'll be very unimpressed. I'm not lugging around 2 or 3 devices. I want one thing and I want it to do everything.
The market isn't conquered yet. We still have closed proprietary devices that miss functionality for xyz excuse, and those that are more open are slower and more bloated. It's going to be years until someone really comes in and innovates.
Clueless
I dont think some of you get it.
Nintendo DS is a mobile device
iPhone is a mobile device.
Just that alone they are in competitions with each other.
Which should scare Nintendo.
When the consumer is at home,they play their console however if they are in a car,in a bus,in the office,etc.
What is the consumer going to pull out.
Is the consumer going to pull out a DS or a iPhone.
That is the big threat that Nintendo sees.
Another exemple
How come no one wears watches anymore.
10 years ago I used to see almost everyone with a watch.
What happen?
Cell phones.
Cell phones kill watches.
So even if the DS is a pure gaming device and is able to have better games.
If we go back to the watches-cell phone argument.
Watches were able to tell time better yet ppl stop buying watches.
I dont think some of you get it.
Nintendo DS is a mobile device
iPhone is a mobile device.
Just that alone they are in competitions with each other.
Which should scare Nintendo.
When the consumer is at home,they play their console however if they are in a car,in a bus,in the office,etc.
What is the consumer going to pull out.
Is the consumer going to pull out a DS or a iPhone.
That is the big threat that Nintendo sees.
Another exemple
How come no one wears watches anymore.
10 years ago I used to see almost everyone with a watch.
What happen?
Cell phones.
Cell phones kill watches.
So even if the DS is a pure gaming device and is able to have better games.
If we go back to the watches-cell phone argument.
Watches were able to tell time better yet ppl stop buying watches.
Not a knock, but it sounds like you've been out of the gaming world for a really, really long time.
I think most people here have the idea reversed. It is not that Nintendo is afraid that Apple will take some of their cake in the console or mobile gaming market. It is that Nintendo also wants a piece of Apples cake, of the short, cheap mobile gaming that Apple has so wonderfully developed.
Both Sony and Nintendo are trying hard to improve on their online distribution of content, which is where they can learn a lot from Apple.
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Both Sony and Nintendo are trying hard to improve on their online distribution of content, which is where they can learn a lot from Apple.
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