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Will be unveiled June 15th in the morning. No one was supposed to even know about it until then but the LCD providers had big events debuting new screens for a gaming system so nintendo in the middle of the night stealth released a press release before the events saying new handheld shown at E3.

And how many idiots are going to be walking around with 3D Glasses so they can play everything in 3D...
 
Its not just about games or even about iPhones. The real killer device is the iPad. iPod touch or iPhone were not serious threats with the smaller screens and people were reluctant to use their limited battery for their phone to play games. However, iPad with the much larger screen and 10 hour battery is a real gaming device...better than any other portable. Not just that, it streams movies, runs productivity apps, surfs..etc. Nintendo should be worried about this. In fact, I can't see how they can compete unless they come out with some groundbreaking tech.
 
And how many idiots are going to be walking around with 3D Glasses so they can play everything in 3D...

Well anyone who doesnt understand the technology might try to use glasses but the 3DS itself uses Parallax Barrier technology that allows the user to enjoy stereoscopic 3D without glasses.
 
Your phone number!

So if Nintendo makes a phone will me and my friends each have to exchange 2 codes to be able to call each other?

Yes, it's called, your phone number. You do that with all your cell phones, don't you? Unless you like to randomly dial up someone and talk to a stranger!
 
That's exactly what I don't get about some of the comments in this thread. The DS is much bigger than all the iDevices put together, is still growing faster, and a lot more money is made in that market. Even quite a few iPhone developers started porting their successful games to the DS, or create new games for the DS from the ground up. The much cited GTA Chinatown Wars, probably the biggest iPhone game, is just a port of a PSP game, which was a port of an old DS game. Chaos Rings is a joke compared to SquareEnix' DS or PSP offerings. It's cheaper, sure, but it's also much shorter and smaller in scope.

I'm also not convinced Nintendo is afraid of losing market share to Apple - the DS has hit a saturation point, or will hit it in the near future, so Nintendo wants to break into Apples market. Not with the DS, but probably with the 3DS. Which will be revealed around the time Apple reveals their next generation devices.

Units sold:

iPhone: 50 million
iPod Touche: 20 million
Nintendo DS: 128.89 million

(all sourced from Wikipedia)

In terms of total iPod sales vs. the DS, in all of both their iterations, doesn't even come close to Apple's numbers for total iDevices.

Total iPod sales is also stated on Wiki as:

At the September 9, 2009 keynote presentation at the Apple Event, Phil Schiller announced total cumulative sales of iPods exceeded 220 million.[66]

But I guess in context with any Apple hardware that utilizes the App store, I think you're right the DS does trumps Apple. But where Apple is second in hardware, it is most definitely 1st in software.
 
Technically, no. They were making Playing Cards for 86yrs, then in 1973, they started Laser Clay Shooting System, using the same light gun technology used in Nintendo's Kousenjuu series of toys.

Officially they began producing video games and consoles since 1977, when they began producing its own Color TV Game home video game consoles.

So that is 33yrs only making videogames, which is a lot... but not 120yrs in the business... maybe -in- business, but not in the video games business. o_O
That's my point. There was no videogame business 120 years ago, but the company is in business for 120 years. And it does videogames for, well, a long time.

This is inaccurate as well...

In 1977 Mattel’s LED-based Handhelds - were the first mobile gaming "handhelds", followed by Milton Bradley Microvision in 1979...

Followed by the Nintendo’s Game & Watch Series in 1980. If you google this, you will see where the Nintendo DS "physical appearance" comes from.
That's why I added "as we know it today". Believe me, I'm well aware of Nintendos history, including the Game & Watch series. I'm at least as big and as long a Nintendo fan as I'm an Apple fan.

Then...

In 1989 Nintendo started with the Gameboy...

But in 2003 - 2004 Nokia N-Gage / N-Gage QD - Was the first handheld to offer "wifi/adhoc", developers never took advantage of it...
That's not what I meant by "digital distribution". I was talking about actual digital distribution, like Satellaview in 1995 (or, in the form of DLC, the Famicom Modem in the 80ies). Admittedly, similar to some odd and/ or single purpose handheld devices which existed before the Gameboy, there were attempts to do digital distribution much earlier in history, like the CVC GameLine, so Nintendo wasn't actually the first company to do it, but the first company to do it right.
 
Yes, it's called, your phone number. You do that with all your cell phones, don't you? Unless you like to randomly dial up someone and talk to a stranger!

OK, looks my attempt at humor failed, but here's the explanation. On the Wii, AFAIK you need to have TWO complex serial-code-like numbers to even play a game with someone not random. The code for the Wii, and the code for your copy of the game. And most games don't even support voice. It's a really convoluted system.
 
3D gaming system WITHOUT glassess

And how many idiots are going to be walking around with 3D Glasses so they can play everything in 3D...

That's what Nintendo is going for. A 3D portable gaming system that does not require 3D glasses. I'm very interested in getting one.

As for the console, a 3D gaming console is on the horizon, too. They already have TVs that are 3D and don't require glasses. I think either LG or Samsung has that out very recently.
 
That's what Nintendo is going for. A 3D portable gaming system that does not require 3D glasses. I'm very interested in getting one.

As for the console, a 3D gaming console is on the horizon, too. They already have TVs that are 3D and don't require glasses. I think either LG or Samsung has that out very recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 and PS3 can support it as-is with just a software update. I know the PS3 is going to support the glasses-style 3D with a software update.
 
OK, looks my attempt at humor failed, but here's the explanation. On the Wii, AFAIK you need to have TWO complex serial-code-like numbers to even play a game with someone not random. The code for the Wii, and the code for your copy of the game. And most games don't even support voice. It's a really convoluted system.

I know what you mean. I have two Wii's and 2 DS's. I hate the fact that you have to exchange codes, but it keeps people from being hacked into by strangers. Wouldn't want to get my DS or Wii infected by a virus of some sort.
 
Horrible move, Nintendo. Whenever the leader in a given market reacts to a smaller player, it sends the signal that there's reason to be afraid and it rouses curiosity in consumers. Microsoft's "I'm a PC" ads didn't seem to stop people switching to Macs (not based on Apple's latest Mac sales figures) and Coke switching to a more Pepsi-like formula... well, we all know how that played out.

Nintendo is light-years ahead of Apple in gaming and they're really damn good at it. I've always thought of them as the Apple of the gaming market. They should just keep doing what they do and not worry about Apple. I seriously doubt Apple could ever be a significant threat to them so I'm curious what they're afraid of and what they hope to gain with such a direct response? It will just make them look desperate.

I think I have to agree with this point.

I really don't see the two as competitors honestly.
 
I know what you mean. I have two Wii's and 2 DS's. I hate the fact that you have to exchange codes, but it keeps people from being hacked into by strangers. Wouldn't want to get my DS or Wii infected by a virus of some sort.

Consoles are about as close to a trusted computing environment as you can get (in the general consumer market anyway). As long as you don't mod the system it's VERY VERY difficult to get a widespread virus attack on them. I haven't heard of any on any of the three consoles, so the codes are of little protection to that. The real reason is because a lot of younger kids play on the Wii and they want parents to feel safe about it - so you only get paired up with random people you can't ever play again because you can't add them to a friend list or communicate with them. Not that this stops younger kids form playing on the other consoles and cursing up a storm.
 
In terms of total iPod sales vs. the DS, in all of both their iterations, doesn't even come close to Apple's numbers for total iDevices.

Total iPod sales is also stated on Wiki as:

But I guess in context with any Apple hardware that utilizes the App store, I think you're right the DS does trumps Apple. But where Apple is second in hardware, it is most definitely 1st in software.
Since everything but the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPod devices is pretty much irrelevant as far as gaming devices go, I didn't even take them into account. And no, Apple isn't 1st in software either. Not if you're looking at the revenue. Which is what publishers and developers are interested in. It's nice to distribute a billion of mostly free and/ or $0.99 games, but that's hardly a factor if single DS games sell more than ten million copies at $40.
 
OK, so since when has Nintendo won the battle against Sony? I have a PS3, and to me, I think it blows the Wii completely out of the water. No question about it. Graphics alone, PS3 is far better. I've used the Wii, and frankly, it's a bit boring after a while. The only game I really love on the Wii is Super Mario Brothers... which doesn't even utilize the whole concept of the Wii, being interactive with the joystick/controller.


Whatevs.

It's pure sales numbers that determine what console won or loss a war. The PS3 is better in every way shape and form when compared to the Wii but its last in sales (about 5 million below the 360 sales), and the sad thing is that it takes both the sales from the 360 and the sales from the PS3 to even match the number of sales for the Wii.

The same goes for the DS, it has already blown the PSP out of the water.
 
I know what you mean. I have two Wii's and 2 DS's. I hate the fact that you have to exchange codes, but it keeps people from being hacked into by strangers. Wouldn't want to get my DS or Wii infected by a virus of some sort.

It has mostly been used to prevent the influx of flashing penis to strangers like on XBLA Uno etc.

More and more games are bypassing the system entirely allowing interaction with anyone as Nintendo allows it. Just up to how much effort developers want to put in.
 
OK, looks my attempt at humor failed, but here's the explanation. On the Wii, AFAIK you need to have TWO complex serial-code-like numbers to even play a game with someone not random. The code for the Wii, and the code for your copy of the game. And most games don't even support voice. It's a really convoluted system.
It really is. It's not mandatory, though. There are some games that use the system wide addressbook instead of game specific codes, and there are games that use no friend codes at all. That's even true for Nintendo published games. It's extremely convoluted and outright insane, and it's actually a massive step backwards considering Nintendo was once among the pioneers of this field. The fact that most games don't support voice chat is only partially Nintendo fault, though. Every developer could use WiiSpeak, but they usually ignore it. Even Nintendo does most of the time, though they seem to get their act together in that regard. Slowly.
 
Nintendo dropped the ball a long time ago when they started making only children's games and shovelware. If iphone games are competing with your console then you obviously failed.

Everyone I know with a wii keeps it in their closet collecting dust because they play their ps3 and xbox360. Apple should just buy nintendo and be done with it but we know that won't ever happen since steve jobs hates video games.
 
Nintendo dropped the ball a long time ago when they started making only children's games and shovelware. If iphone games are competing with your console then you obviously failed.

Everyone I know with a wii keeps it in their closet collecting dust because they play their ps3 and xbox360. Apple should just buy nintendo and be done with it but we know that won't ever happen since steve jobs hates video games.

Nintendo makes shovelware? Nintendo as a brand is pretty much synonymous with high quality products. Apple themselves will never be a threat to Nintendo in the game making department. Apple offering a platform where developers eventually can make real games and not just cheap shovelware 99% of the time is the threat of the future.

Nintendo as a company is also incredibly adept at making money. Nintendo on average makes 1.6 million dollars profit per employee. For comparison Goldman Sachs while they were raping the economy and making obscene profits only managed to hit 1.2 million per employee.

Apple makes 151,000 per employee. Microsoft makes 194,000.

No one is buying Nintendo and besides Microsoft already tried once and was laughed in it's face.
 
Nintendo dropped the ball a long time ago when they started making only children's games and shovelware. If iphone games are competing with your console then you obviously failed.

Everyone I know with a wii keeps it in their closet collecting dust because they play their ps3 and xbox360. Apple should just buy nintendo and be done with it but we know that won't ever happen since steve jobs hates video games.
Oh, you're one of those guys. Honestly, if you spread FUD like that, you obviously have no idea what Nintendo actually does. Nintendo just released Sin & Punishment 2 to great critical acclaim, one of the most "hardcore" games in recent memory. They published Monster Hunter 3 in Europe (and co-promoted it in Japan and the US), are working with Team Ninja (Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive) of all studios on a new Metroid, released Zangeki no Reginleiv in Japan and are currently working on full blown RPGs with Monolith, Mistwalker and Camelot. Those are just a few examples. Nintendo is not responsible for shovelware like Dogz or whatever, just like Apple isn't responsible for iFart and tons of similar ******** found on the Appstore.

And believe it or not, even if Nintendo were up for sale (which it isn't - it's mostly owned by the grandchildren of the founder), not even Apple has deep enough pockets to buy them.
 
This thread is the biggest FUD magnet! Good gravy!

Nintendo dropped the ball a long time ago when they started making only children's games and shovelware. If iphone games are competing with your console then you obviously failed.
Nonono. Nintendo continue as they have done since the late 80's. Mario, Zelda, Metroid. They haven't changed in their practices. They never made children-only games and they still don't. I think you're getting confused with 3rd party games.

Everyone I know with a wii keeps it in their closet collecting dust because they play their ps3 and xbox360. Apple should just buy nintendo and be done with it but we know that won't ever happen since steve jobs hates video games.
Congrats are in order. I use my Wii almost every day for Mario Kart and Smash Bros Brawl, next week Mario Galaxy 2 is out. My Xbox only gets used once every month. For me the Wii brings in games that can't be played on a regular console, and a good PC is better than a regular console.
 
How are they light years ahead? Last I checked I can only play games on my nintendo ds, using either a stupid PEN or a d-pad. Nintendo's DS Flips screen is more than 25yrs old. (considering one of ther first consoles (http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/gamewatch2.jpg) was made in 1980 and looks exactly the same as the Nintendo DS...
And it's a design that works? Laptops have had a foldi... wait a minute! It protects all the important parts and is very functionable. Look on the forums at all the people who swear by cases and protective skins for their iPods/iPhones. You don't get that with the DS since it is its own case.

Not sure what you mean by your first point. You can use a touchscreen or a d-pad? That's already one more input method than an iPod. The perfect combination too, it's the first time an FPS has been playable almost as much as a computer. And I'm a PC FPS nut ;).

Can you even mention me a NDS game that plays like an MMO? Kind of like Pocket Legends? http://www.spacetimestudios.com/content.php?11 (which plays awesome over 3g or wifi).
Phantasy Star Zero, Ragnarok DS, Maple Story DS.
FWIW MMO's are not an example of a powerful game. They usually have poor graphics and require high network traffic. I'd imagine we will see more once the 3DS is out.
 
Nonono. Nintendo continue as they have done since the late 80's. Mario, Zelda, Metroid. They haven't changed in their practices. They never made children-only games and they still don't. I think you're getting confused with 3rd party games.
I would even go as far and say that Nintendo is publishing more diverse and "mature" games than ever. It's just that most people who think they have an opinion (even though they usually have absolutely no idea what they're talking about) became much louder now that Nintendo is once again a force to be reckoned with.
 
Well yes, it was released in 2005 and has recieved no performance upgrades since

Ahh i beg to differ but it has

The orignal DS and DS lite is no where close to being as powerful as the DSi or DSi XL is, the DSi got a performance upgrade (faster CPUs) as well as a memory upgrade and 2 cameras (although minus the GBA slot). the DSi is around 2x more powerful then the original DS or DS lite is.

The original and DS lite

CPU = ARM9 at 67mhz and ARM7 at 33mhz
Memory = 4mb (can be expanded by the GBA slot) but only opera uses the extra ram

The DSi and DSi XL

CPU = ARM9 at 133mhz and ARM7 at 33mhz
Ram = 16mb

the ARM9 is used for game play mechanisms and video rendering, the ARM7 was used for sound (and used for the GBA games when in GBA mode on the original DS and DS lite).

I know Nintendo releases DS's like crazy! Here's the thing though, they don't up the specs. They just make them lighter or bigger...

Wrong. please read the above. a little internet research goes along way.


This thread is the biggest FUD magnet! Good gravy!

Don't you mean a fanboy magnet, its fanboys that track in the FUD
 
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