What you say is true but on the other hand, I cannot think of one "self-respecting" car maker that would leave money on the table especially coming out of 2020, the worst year for car sales in a long time.
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If there was money to be had I imagine Lucid, Rivian, Bollinger, etc wouldn't have had to buy their own factories to make their vehicles, they would have just gone to the incumbents and we would already be swimming in hundred of thousands of them by now. Right?
Maybe they don't want to be just a "hardware manufacturer", but Nissan ain't doin' so well as of late. Last quarter, they posted a ¥131 billion loss. Many of their vehicles are getting very old in the tooth, especially the Nissan Frontier truck. It just got a "refresh" this year, but it hasn't had a major refresh since 2002.
Additionally, Nissan has extensive experience with electric vehicles. The LEAF came out in 2011 and the NV200 (electric cargo van) in 2013. Obviously that will come into play with Apple. Nissan has an EV factory in Tennessee, meaning if they can keep the US content of the vehicle high enough, it will qualify for the vehicles the US government will buy.
There are plenty of vehicle "hardware manufacturers" out there. Magna Steyr is one of the largest. They also have experience making production EVs (Fiat 500e) and prototype EVs (Sony Vision S). It ain't a bad gig. Nissan should seriously consider it.
Additionally, Nissan has extensive experience with electric vehicles. The LEAF came out in 2011 and the NV200 (electric cargo van) in 2013. Obviously that will come into play with Apple. Nissan has an EV factory in Tennessee, meaning if they can keep the US content of the vehicle high enough, it will qualify for the vehicles the US government will buy.
There are plenty of vehicle "hardware manufacturers" out there. Magna Steyr is one of the largest. They also have experience making production EVs (Fiat 500e) and prototype EVs (Sony Vision S). It ain't a bad gig. Nissan should seriously consider it.
Why are you comparing 3 car startups to Apple? Most car owners have never heard of these companies so they have many years to scale up to meet production needs. Apple needs to make and sell a million cars in their first year or Apple Car will be considered a failure by most. I get your point but you sandbagged it with 3 poor examples.
Only way for Apple to build a car would have to be a partnership where the OEM's branding is on the car at all times. For example, a Nissan Apple Car, Toyota Apple Car, etc. And its suppose to be that way because it sounds like Apple wants to "freeload". A very unfair practice.
Or start from scratch and make their own car plants. I think at least Apple should try the formal rather than the latter. I get Apple wants brand itself but they're not car specialists.
Or start from scratch and make their own car plants. I think at least Apple should try the formal rather than the latter. I get Apple wants brand itself but they're not car specialists.
I live in a populated state but it's still a 50 mile drive to the nearest Tesla charger. Not exactly a "network".
Tesla is "ahead" in OTA updates...(per Consumer Reports: "After one of Teslas automatic updates, my screen stopped working correctly, froze sometimes would turn on and off every ten seconds, GPS froze...took a month to get an appointment to have someone look at it." Now 158,000 displays recalled.
Tesla is "far ahead" in EV manufacturing...as long as you don't mind:
• glass roofs flying off
• seat backs and seat belts not attached
• catastrophic failures of front suspension brackets that were never even attached
• class action over paint quality issues--peeling paint, orange peel, hairs embedded, unpainted areas
Teslas make perfect cars... for about a month. Then all of the symptoms of a shoddy product slowly start showing up
Well from the other side if Ford/GM make all their money from SUV/Trucks is Apple going to pay enough to offset making less of those vehicles (capacity)?
Who else is making a million of a single vehicle a year (other than Ford with the F150)?
Of course they would. I don't see why they wouldn't want to do it. Their goal is to accelerate the adoption sustainable energy so any company that wants to throw billions of dollars at an EV project is good for Tesla.
Sorry, but deploying slow charging stalls isn't going to help much. The slowest Supercharger can fill up Teslas within the hour. The slow charging stalls that's going to make up the majority of non-superchargers take about 8 hours for EVs to fill up.
I mean if Superchargers already have lines during July 4th, imagine the competing networks trying to address millions of EVs on a holiday.
Pushing a software update to recalibrate and improve the braking distance of a car (which Tesla has done) is quite different than pushing an iOS update that adds widgets. A bug in that type of update could kill thousands of people, but Tesla updated it perfectly.
I don't know what the purpose is of your "hint".
Converting to electric involves much more than just taking an existing ICE design, remove the engine, and sticking a battery. It's a complete re-engineer of a car. Current EV offerings haven't beaten Tesla's 2012 Model S in all important areas of an EV. And it also involves a complete overhaul of supply chain management. Ask Audi about that delay in Etron production due to battery shortages. Tesla saw this several years ago and decided to produce their own factories for battery production to supplement their current suppliers because they couldn't produce enough to meet demand.
So you think someone like Toyota has a magical "carbon neutral production" switch they can turn on when they produce an Apple car, then turn off when they produce a Camry? No. Requires a complete rework to the production line. Guess who's currently building big new factories that produces cars and batteries all under one roof. Tesla.
Now would be a great time for Apple to throw money at Tesla to modify their factories to be carbon neutral and expand capacity for an Apple car.
If Apple went to Tesla to build an Apple car, I don't see a world where Tesla would want to encourage Apple to dump something like CarPlay for their own UI. That makes zero sense.
Tesla bought Grohmann. They build the machines that builds machines. Tesla has said that the factory and manufacturing is the product and they would gladly build new factories for new EVs. It makes no sense that Tesla would want to push their engineering designs onto Apple should Apple want to contract them.
That would never happen. Musk would clash with Apple's style of things. It would not be a good relationship.
And in all honesty, we need Musk to focus on innovation not on arguments with Cook))
Musk has said time and time again that manufacturing and factories is the product that Tesla is doing. They would gladly build a new factory just for Apple car should Apple want to throw billions of dollars at it.
Sorry, what major car manufacturer has never missed a deadline?
Making a phone and an EV are two completely different things. Even the Porsche Taycan had delays and panel gaps.
Yeah because news are always 100% true, right?
Check this CNBC article that blames Tesla for a Supercharger
Tesla Supercharger catches fire at a Wawa store in New Jersey
Wawa says Tesla is investigating the cause of the fire.
and then check this article:
Tesla supercharger ruled out as cause of N.J. fire
A local fire official said a blaze near a Wawa convenience store originated from an on-site transformer that sends power from the electric utility's line to the charging stations.
www.autonews.com
"No vehicles were involved; it wasn't the charging stations at all"
CNBC has yet to correct/update their article.
Current Tesla offerings haven't beaten Dacia when it come to what actually makes making a car, so
The question is wether Apple wants to sell a car to consumers (Millions of units per year) in which case Tesla isn't even a remote option. If it is just some sort of metropolitan fleet service it doesn't really matter.
As for charge networks, Tesla is bleeding money on them and they just can't build up both production AND enough superchargers to serve them without running into massive trouble.
Most new chargers (fast slow and in between) around here are build up by power companies and those do have deeper pockets and control the needed infrastructure.
Someday a EV will dethrone the Golf/Jetta as Europe's best selling cars, it is almost certain that that will be the (2nd or 3rd generation) ID3/4.
Supercharger isn't supposed to be used for daily commutes. It's meant for road trips. You're supposed to charge at home. Sure it might be difficult for those living in apartments, but a Supercharger isn't the solution for that problem. Superchargers being 50 miles away is reasonable.
Every Supercharger in the US (as well as other countries) are positioned in a way where you can travel anywhere in the country. That's the network.
Nice misdirection. The failure was due to eMMC being worn out from the writes. All flash storage will fail after X amount of bytes written. Your MacBook's flash storage will fail after X years of usage. Nothing to do with OTA updates.
Oh so they should choose someone like BMW right?
How about those Porsche panel gaps?
This too.
Sup Audi.
Hi Toyota.
Hey Mercedes.
Lucky Lexus.
Sorry, but all manufacturers have issues when producing hundreds of thousands of units per year. Only difference is, Tesla has more scrutiny than any other auto manufacturer.
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You may want to check on why these drives fail in Teslas (hint: amateur hour in the SW department).
Current Tesla offerings haven't beaten Dacia when it come to what actually makes making a car, so
Nice diversion.
Tesla is aiming for 20 million units per year by 2030. And before you dismiss Elon's misses in time predictions, Elon predicted 500k by 2020 back in 2010 and it was mostly true (missed by a few hundred cars due to covid shutdown).
Where did you get this information? Or are you guessing?
Tesla isn't making a huge profit, but they sure aren't bleeding money. All Supercharger profits get reinvested back into the network. Otherwise they wouldn't have increased expansion of the Supercharger network.
Tesla is expanding production of Superchargers. They even have a factory dedicated to it https://electrek.co/2021/02/03/tesla-opens-supercharger-factory/
Those deep-pocket companies still don't have the fast charging network the size of Superchargers. Also Tesla has said they've been contacted by third parties to allow use of Superchargers outside of the Tesla fleet which means this could easily be a huge profit generator. Simply charge third party cars more money to be able to use the Supercharger.
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I'm glad you now understand it's not a touchscreen issue but a drive issue.
Hint: It's an 8GB drive. It'll still fail around this time even if the log writes were reduced. Because physics.
They did reduce the logging, but for most vehicles with MCU1 it was too late to make much of a difference.
I'm well aware that they did. I'm saying even if they did reduced it from the beginning, 2012 MCU1s would still fail around this time.