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Given the content of a lot of posts relating to the LED Cinema Display and its compatibility with devices, I have come to the conclusion that several dozen people here could not properly install batteries in a device should the need ever arise.

Seriously, what's so hard about the concept of plus-to-minus and minus-to-plus?

Care to elaborate?

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Given the content of a lot of posts relating to the LED Cinema Display and its compatibility with devices, I have come to the conclusion that several dozen people here could not properly install batteries in a device should the need ever arise.

Seriously, what's so hard about the concept of plus-to-minus and minus-to-plus?

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Given the content of a lot of posts relating to the LED Cinema Display and its compatibility with devices, I have come to the conclusion that several dozen people here could not properly install batteries in a device should the need ever arise.

Seriously, what's so hard about the concept of plus-to-minus and minus-to-plus?

Come again?
 
Care to elaborate?


Come again?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. :D;)

People seem to think that you can plug a male adapter into a male adapter and get it to somehow work (thinking the Mini DisplayPort-DVI adapters go from male DVI to female Mini DisplayPort while simultaneously going the other way, as well).

I mean, just LOOK at the hardware, for crying out loud. Do these people try to put two plug-ends of Christmas lights together?
 
This is exactly what I'm talking about. :D;)

People seem to think that you can plug a male adapter into a male adapter and get it to somehow work (thinking the Mini DisplayPort-DVI adapters go from male DVI to female Mini DisplayPort while simultaneously going the other way, as well).

I mean, just LOOK at the hardware, for crying out loud. Do these people try to put two plug-ends of Christmas lights together?

Ahhh ok, I thought you were suggesting that I was in the wrong :p

Good good, and yeah, I agree, the lack of knowledge on the difference between male and female adapters is a bit shocking sometimes. Always good for a laugh though :D
 
This is exactly what I'm talking about. :D;)

People seem to think that you can plug a male adapter into a male adapter and get it to somehow work (thinking the Mini DisplayPort-DVI adapters go from male DVI to female Mini DisplayPort while simultaneously going the other way, as well).

I mean, just LOOK at the hardware, for crying out loud. Do these people try to put two plug-ends of Christmas lights together?

Umm.. I doubt it'll work. That's a miniDisplayPort to DVI Adapter.
OP needs a DVI Adapter to miniDisplayPort.
 
This is exactly what I'm talking about. :D;)

People seem to think that you can plug a male adapter into a male adapter and get it to somehow work (thinking the Mini DisplayPort-DVI adapters go from male DVI to female Mini DisplayPort while simultaneously going the other way, as well).

I mean, just LOOK at the hardware, for crying out loud. Do these people try to put two plug-ends of Christmas lights together?

Alright I get that.

What I'm mainly talking about is the new LED ACD. I have a bad feeling that when Apple does update the 30" model, they'll go the same route. I just hope that when that day comes they have either a MiniDisplay Port extension cable or make the cable at least long enough to reach a Pro placed under a desk.
 
Alright I get that.

What I'm mainly talking about is the new LED ACD. I have a bad feeling that when Apple does update the 30" model, they'll go the same route. I just hope that when that day comes they have either a MiniDisplay Port extension cable or make the cable at least long enough to reach a Pro placed under a desk.

Give Apple feedback, perhaps eventually someone there will get the idea we demand more flexibility :)
 
The one you linked to says "S-IPS" but I dunno the difference between H and S.

Actually I'm re-confused about panels again. I thought I understood the difference or at least the technical writings that describe the differences. Then someone gave me an iiyama ProLite E481s 19" IPS. I hooked it up and it has every problem than my TN panels have except that it's 8-bit instead of 6-bit. Other than that it's got the same viewing angles, the same color shifts on angle, and the same perceivable color fidelity. It's a $500 ~ $600 panel (at 19") so I'm stumped again. Looks to be about the same contrast too. If I didn't know any better I would say it was identical it all regards seeing side-by-side with my LG L246WH TN panels. <shrug>

If anyone knows anything about this iiyama or why it's so much like my TNs (or why my TNs are so much like an IPS) it would be interesting to find out.

H-IPS subpixels are shaped like ||||| and S-IPS are shaped either >>>> or <<<< . I could be very wrong, but if Hitachi and LG are the only IPS-panel manufacturers, then H-IPS is LG's proprietary IPS tech.

However, when it comes to 6-bit and 8-bit, the main difference (once again, I think) is that the 6-bit has to dither to display a full 16.7 million colours - the significance of that number? I beleive its the RGB colour gamut. The 8-bit does not have to dither, as it can display 2^8*2^8*2^8 which is approximatly 16.7 million; the three 2^8s come from the red, green, and blue subpixels (methinks).

And why does it seem like a TN panel? Well, the fact that it is 19" could be the reason. IPS that performs well is generally in the realm of people needing colour accurate monitors to work with either large images or HD video. The 1280x1024 (I think) rez of the Iiyama may not be good for large image or video work; even SD video practically needs an HD monitor to work with the tools, etc. The market for small monitors is not good, since viewing angles really begin to count in around the 24" and up; smaller monitors often do not have the colour shift over area problems that larger ones can. For example - there is only one big TN monitor model (28" Hanspree and its variations) that does not have noticeable colour-shift.

If I'm wrong, somebody correct me, but I'm 95% sure on displays...
 
Given the content of a lot of posts relating to the LED Cinema Display and its compatibility with devices, I have come to the conclusion that several dozen people here could not properly install batteries in a device should the need ever arise.

Seriously, what's so hard about the concept of plus-to-minus and minus-to-plus?

Hey, I'm a pro at installing batteries. :)

Sometimes people (like me) don't read the thread carefully enough. Plus, although it's not hard, it's not obvious- usually when a cable exists in one direction, the reverse cable is also available. I'm sure it will be very soon. Surprising that NO adapters with a female connection can be found yet.
 
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Umm... Tell me something, how is that gonna help the OP?
It's a Mini-DVI not a miniDisplay Port

that really works??? :D
 
H-IPS subpixels are shaped like ||||| and S-IPS are shaped either >>>> or <<<< . I could be very wrong, but if Hitachi and LG are the only IPS-panel manufacturers, then H-IPS is LG's proprietary IPS tech.

However, when it comes to 6-bit and 8-bit, the main difference (once again, I think) is that the 6-bit has to dither to display a full 16.7 million colours - the significance of that number? I beleive its the RGB colour gamut. The 8-bit does not have to dither, as it can display 2^8*2^8*2^8 which is approximatly 16.7 million; the three 2^8s come from the red, green, and blue subpixels (methinks).

And why does it seem like a TN panel? Well, the fact that it is 19" could be the reason. IPS that performs well is generally in the realm of people needing colour accurate monitors to work with either large images or HD video. The 1280x1024 (I think) rez of the Iiyama may not be good for large image or video work; even SD video practically needs an HD monitor to work with the tools, etc. The market for small monitors is not good, since viewing angles really begin to count in around the 24" and up; smaller monitors often do not have the colour shift over area problems that larger ones can. For example - there is only one big TN monitor model (28" Hanspree and its variations) that does not have noticeable colour-shift.

If I'm wrong, somebody correct me, but I'm 95% sure on displays...

Thanks! Yeah, I'm hip the 8-bit vrs. 6-bit differences and you're explanation of that is right so you're probably right on the other stuff too. My question just as to why this iiyama ProLite E481s IPS's display property dynamics are nearly identical to that of my TNs. Are you saying that because of it's size it's just a low-quality IPS?

Both the TN and the IPS exhibit identical color shifts at close to identical angles. At 45˚ they go slightly yellow and at about 70˚ they start to turn pinkish or I guess one could call it purpleish as stated below.

In S-IPS at extreme angles looking from the side, black background exhibits purple hue. H-IPS eliminates this problem.

Hmmm, OK. So, this iiyama must be an S-IPS then. Interesting. So basically the only difference between an S-IPS and and a TN is the bit depth (which BTW, I almost never notice). At least for the two I have. Are H-IPS LCD's typically more expensive than S-IPS I wonder?

Anyway, thank you both very much! Very appreciated!
And sorry for the semi-hi-jack umbilical! :eek:
 
Thanks! Yeah, I'm hip the 8-bit vrs. 6-bit differences and you're explanation of that is right so you're probably right on the other stuff too. My question just as to why this iiyama ProLite E481s IPS's display property dynamics are nearly identical to that of my TNs. Are you saying that because of it's size it's just a low-quality IPS?

Both the TN and the IPS exhibit identical color shifts at close to identical angles. At 45˚ they go slightly yellow and at about 70˚ they start to turn pinkish or I guess one could call it purpleish as stated below.

According to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm , Iiyama E481S uses either 19" Samsung TN Film (LTM190EX-L01) or LG.Philips S-IPS (LM190E01-C4). Sounds like you have the TN version.
 
According to http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm , Iiyama E481S uses either 19" Samsung TN Film (LTM190EX-L01) or LG.Philips S-IPS (LM190E01-C4). Sounds like you have the TN version.

:eek: Sounds like a Panel Lottery!! :eek:

Tesselator, I second that you were looking at the bad bet at a panel lottery. Some manufacturers *cough*cough*Samsung*cough* will release high end monitors with good *VA panels, then add in to the same monitor line panels made by different manufacturers of lesser quality. Its sad... But some research can save some time. Like my Doublesight DS-263N - no panel lottery for that monitor.
 
Ah... That would explain everything. OK. Good. Now I can go back to thinking I know what the differences are - or are supposed to be. :D


Thanks guys!
 
No problem. To clarify, why I thought originally (without doing my research) why I thought that it was just a REALLY poor quality IPS panel was because the sub-20" LCD market is not exactly where the innovation happens - tech starts out big, then gets lucky if it goes small.
 
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