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That is an old post, and there are times starting with "you don't need" makes sense.

It was made yesterday, so it can't be that old and no, I don't think there are very many situations where it's appropriate for someone to tell me what I do or don't need. You may imagine you know, but chances are you'd be wrong. My comment stands. If a post starts out "You don't need..." it's a good bet you can ignore everything that comes after.
 
I wish there was a smart album for Screenshots and those screenshots stay out of the Photos section view.

I now no why the "managing photos problem" can't be solved. Snapjoy, Everpix, Loom, Picturelife, Apple, Google Photos, have all tried. None of them get it right. There's just too many variables.

You can't simply throw photos in a timeline view (ie Dropbox, Carousel :mad:) because now you destroyed my folders (being used as albums/events).

You can't go with a folder based system because now you can't reference those files in other places or risk duplicating photos.

You can't just use folders (OS level organization) or events (iPhoto) because now you can't see a timeline view in chrono-order and simply scroll.

Everpix was the closest to getting in right. At least when they uploaded my photos, the automatically made my photos Albums. They have a random flashback feature to surface old photos. They have a "photos by device" view It's too bad they went under. They were so close.

iPhoto was close but that ridiculous database they used wasn't adaptable for the cloud. When I got my back back in 2007, I thought that was THE way to handle photo organization.

Apple really should have pushed harder to OS X version of Photos to be released, then Yosemite, then iOS 8 should have came last. But unfortunately, iOS drives Apple's business.
 
It just isn't necessary. The last thing anyone wants is managing whats on their device vs. whats in the cloud. That is not how it works any longer, and was not a good solution when it was how it worked with Photostream.



If you delete a photo, you delete a photo. If you keep a photo, you keep a photo. Everywhere.



If you are concerned about storage on your device, there is a BRILLIANT new addition that allows you to optimize space on your device. This offloads every to iCloud and keeps just thumbnails on your device. As soon as you call up a photo or video, it instantly downloads the whole file, much like how iTunes Match works. I would recommend everyone do this.


So the way it works now is if I take a picture I need for work (potentially something brutally gory) it will be automatically sent for use on my Mac and AppleTV as the screen saver? And the only way to stop it is to permanently delete the picture regardless if I need it or not for work?

What a brilliant solution!

That will give me a lot more motivation to offload nudes of the girlfriend.
 
So the way it works now is if I take a picture I need for work (potentially something brutally gory) it will be automatically sent for use on my Mac and AppleTV as the screen saver? And the only way to stop it is to permanently delete the picture regardless if I need it or not for work?

What a brilliant solution!

That will give me a lot more motivation to offload nudes of the girlfriend.

It's not a "solution" at all. It's a misguided attempt to create a new way to manage photos that was evidently created by someone who has never managed photos before. This "solution" completely breaks all aspects of file/cloud management of photos on the user side.
 
Ok, on my iPhone 5 in settings I have photo stream and photo sharing turned off. If I download iso8 will everything stay the same? I don't want to lose my camera roll either.
 
Actually it does...you can create albums or move the photo to an album, if this is must for you. Then it can be deleted from the main library.

It is far better to make the user work to do something atypical, then to make them work to make sure photos and videos a properly backed up to the cloud.

Lastly, iCloud accounts are not meant to be shared among two different people. That is not a flaw.

this isn't true. if you delete a photo from the main library it will also be deleted from any album you have put it in. I've seen several of your posts and you keep spreading false information and telling people that they are wrong. give it a rest please.
 
No camera roll iOS 8

I would like to see my events in iPhoto as I have all my pics categorised on there all I see now is a load of mixed up pictures. I had my holiday and all my holiday pics are scattered about over the two weeks with other stuff that other people have taken on the same day this is a total joke. If it could have a tab for events from iPhoto I would be happy. This would probably work in a world ware you had taken every photo with your iPhone but I haven't. Total mess I say.
 
Count me as another person who the new format doesn't work for and who is beyond annoyed.

What is the method for contacting Apple with feature requests? It's been so long since I have, I don't remember how I've done it in the past, heh.

To all of the "I know better than you about how you need to use your device" people: The existence of this thread and the fact that it's already almost 6 pages long lends evidence to the fact that you are incorrect in thinking your methods will work for everyone (or possibly for anyone else other than yourself.) With some of the comments I've seen, it reminds me of, "If you're crazy, do you know you're crazy?"...if you're a troll, do you *know* you're a troll? :rolleyes:

Exactly, yes, the Collections/Moments is good, although I almost never use it in iOS 7, the new changes on photos.app are good, but, the no camera roll is the worst thing Apple has removed since the first iOS, if Apple would've just leave the Camera Roll, none of this threads or comments would have ever exist, and just make people happy, the ones that like Collections/Moments and the ones that like Camera Roll.
 
Would someone please answer my question.:)

Camera roll is gone regardless to how you set photostream. Its done differently now.

In my honest opinion I didn't care for it at first. But after getting used to it for one day I already like using it more this way. I can pinpoint old photos very quickly as I can reference dates and locations on the fly.
 
Camera roll is gone regardless to how you set photostream. Its done differently now.

In my honest opinion I didn't care for it at first. But after getting used to it for one day I already like using it more this way. I can pinpoint old photos very quickly as I can reference dates and locations on the fly.

But wait until you have to remove some photos from your device to save space. You're going to be in for a surprise, because management of the actual files has now been taken completely out of your hands.

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Exactly, yes, the Collections/Moments is good, although I almost never use it in iOS 7, the new changes on photos.app are good, but, the no camera roll is the worst thing Apple has removed since the first iOS, if Apple would've just leave the Camera Roll, none of this threads or comments would have ever exist, and just make people happy, the ones that like Collections/Moments and the ones that like Camera Roll.

It's actually more than the removal of the camera roll that's at issue here. That's just the most noticeable symptom of the new system. The underlying problem is that they no longer make any distinction between the source or location of a file. A picture is a picture is a picture. It lives on the cloud AND on every one of your devices. Delete it one place and it deletes everywhere. Additionally, on an iPhone you can't see what photos were made by the phone and what photos came from the cloud making managing them that much more difficult. So ultimately this runs much much deeper than just the removal of a folder. It's a change to the whole way files are managed and the way that iCloud works. A change very much for the worse unless you only use your iPhone to take pictures and you only take pictures casually.
 
And that's exactly why this doesn't work for me. If I save an image from tumblr or a screenshot, my husband doesn't particularly want it cluttering up his photo album. I used to be able to clear it from photo stream and keep it on the phone where I needed it. Now it's all or nothing and that doesn't suit every image you own.

What do you mean his album? You each should have your own iCloud account.

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I love how you state your opinion as if it's objective fact.

Your opinion is not objective fact.

If you're having multiple people use one iCloud account, then you're doing it wrong. That's not the intention - before or now.

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I'm getting photos from my son's iPad on here now (same account).

Also getting stupid photos I uploaded to Yelp and then deleted from my phone.


Really, really annoyed by this.

Why 'fix' it if it's not broken?!? :mad:




:apple:

You shouldn't be using the same iCloud account anyway. It was NEVER meant to work like that. Pre iOS 8 or iOS 8.
 
The main problem is there are a lot of apps which cant access you're entire photo collection, if it's not in a specific album or in "recent" they aren't accessable !
 
It was made yesterday, so it can't be that old and no, I don't think there are very many situations where it's appropriate for someone to tell me what I do or don't need. You may imagine you know, but chances are you'd be wrong. My comment stands. If a post starts out "You don't need..." it's a good bet you can ignore everything that comes after.

I was talking about my exactly 1 month old post that was quoted.
 
I was talking about my exactly 1 month old post that was quoted.

Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you.

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If you're having multiple people use one iCloud account, then you're doing it wrong. That's not the intention - before or now.

I'm not doing that and my comment wasn't related to that. However, he raises part of the issue. You don't need two people using one iClous account to encounter the exact same problems he's having. You just need to be using more than one iDevice to make images that you want to keep separate. For example, an iPad you use for work and one you use at home. Or an iPhone you use for work and a photostream that appears on your AppleTV.

See, this is the issue. The whole system relies on dumbing it down to this "ideal" where everyone is only taking a few personal pictures, only taking them on their iPhones and only interested in sorting them by date, place or face. Apple takes too much control over the files, their locations, their management and basic information about them in this new approach.
 
What do you mean his album? You each should have your own iCloud account.

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If you're having multiple people use one iCloud account, then you're doing it wrong. That's not the intention - before or now.

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You shouldn't be using the same iCloud account anyway. It was NEVER meant to work like that. Pre iOS 8 or iOS 8.

I do not use iCloud. However, my wife does. That means my albums, photos and videos are mixed with hers. That, is a poor design!
 
I do not use iCloud. However, my wife does. That means my albums, photos and videos are mixed with hers. That, is a poor design!

See? This too. While iCloud may not be intended to be used by more than one person does anyone really think that a husband and wife aren't going to share a single account?
 
Somewhat of a Solution:

There's an app called "MyRoll" and if you click gallery all of your pics are loaded there.

I think this is going to be my solution until Apple fixes this.
 
For the record, the photos are sorted by the date contained in the metadata, not the date they were added to the phone (as everyone seems to think).
I emailed myself a few old photos and then added them to my phone... But they are now all the way at the top of my photos because the metadata show them as being taken in 2005.
I don't mind Apple trying to improve things. I do, however, mind Apple's dictatorial attitude of "we know what you want and need, even if you don't."
It's also worth noting that nothing new has been added as far layout (the "moments" and "collections" were in iOS 7), but the "Camera Roll" album was simply removed.
 
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The problem with the Photos tab as an alternative to the Camera Roll is that is also includes all my photos in albums I've synced on my phone (and interestingly some photos I have on my iPhoto on laptop, and not synced to phone).

I would prefer the separation because if I go looking for photos I know I've taken on my phone, I now need to trawl through all my album photos too ><
 
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