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No FireWire in MacBooks

Aniki said:
all my stuff (all cameras, externals, 360 controller for pc) are all usb, so I could care less. I think it's great they put no firewire, since it gives more space on the left side of your comp, and the battery life their is great as well.
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Space for what? Shiny metal? You are arguing for the exclusion of a 2cm port that was on previous revisions of Macbooks, that many people depend on and cannot do what they do without one, because it gives you more shiny metal on the side?

I guess these retarded responses against firewire are due to the influx of new users drawn to the new Macbook lineup sans firewire. Because it was really pissing people off I guess. They don't even know what that hole does I guess. That means it's not important to anyone and it's difficult to understand how anyone could complain.

There is an obvious issue here from consumers. Apple are deleting threads on the official forums about this, audio and video forums have multi page threads on this issue, even hardware developers that Apple partners with (Apogee) are pissed, software devs are wondering wtf is going on, and even Apple people are saying they don't understand this move.

Imagine what Apogee is saying right now after making the Duet, which seemed specifically marketed at the budget audio crowd?

I'm glad you have a collection of inferior USB gear. That doesn't mean this isn't an issue for others.
 
Aniki said:
Also: In The Refurb Store The Old Mbp With Firewire 400, 800, Usb, Express Card, 2.4 Ghz, Etc Is $1350 If You Really Need It For Same Price As Macbook.
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Only in USA. In other places Mac refurbs are overpriced (and NOT because of included VAT).
 
kubricks said:
...even hardware developers that Apple partners with (Apogee) are pissed, software devs are wondering wtf is going on, and even Apple people are saying they don't understand this move.

Imagine what Apogee is saying right now after making the Duet, which seemed specifically marketed at the budget audio crowd.
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I can imagine - Apogee's equipment is popular amoung the Pros, but since they are aiming decent equipment at the consumer market, they'd be pissed off to hell that Apple has eliminated a required port on their consumer MacBook.

Ah well. Maybe Apple will learn a lesson from this if the new MacBook no longer continues to be their "best selling Mac" and sales for the refurb MacBook's are miles ahead of the new gen.
 
I don't have any firewire equipment, but I still don't like the idea that the port was removed. It reduces my possible options in the future. I may never have needed it, but why remove?

New users may not need it, but people who already have investments in FW equipment now have lost the option to use the new MBs.
 
I will not be upgrading my MacBook now! the new one is way over priced, no firewire, no Blue-ray, only 2 USB Ports, and i hear still has the sharp edge
Whats going on at Apple?
 
I've decided to add my thoughts to the debate:

If dropping firewire from the Macbook is a "step to the future" by getting rid of "an outdated technology,", then why didn't Apple have the "courage" to do that with the MBPs? I mean...if it's outdated technology, wouldn't it be just as important to remove that "dead weight" from all redesigned systems?

Apple's excuse reeks of bovine excrement.
 
cube said:
Only in USA. In other places Mac refurbs are overpriced (and NOT because of included VAT).
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Well said. I think I will wait to see what happens, if firewire is not back, I will check some nice laptops from other brands and go the hackintosh way. I couldn't care less about it. And now that I think about it, I think that would be a very decent way to solve my problems.
 
MrGando said:
Well said. I think I will wait to see what happens, if firewire is not back, I will check some nice laptops from other brands and go the hackintosh way. I couldn't care less about it. And now that I think about it, I think that would be a very decent way to solve my problems.
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I'm thinking Hackintosh. I've never tried anything like this but it's starting to look like the best option.

I'm a lifelong Apple fan but I blew my savings on a top spec 17" MacBook Pro six months ago which now turns out to have a faulty graphics card that stutters and does weird things and is doomed to fail only to be replaced with another identical splutter and die graphics card. Thanks nVidea and Apple.

I was hoping to try and bully Apple into replacing it with a new top spec MacBook pro with a life expectancy longer than a chocolate hammer when the new MBP's came out but hi res only, hi shine screens, no firewire and still at vast expense?

What planet are they on?
 
I wish apple dropped USB instead, I never use it.

Most consumers don't know what USB is either.
 
Kilamite said:
I can imagine - Apogee's equipment is popular amoung the Pros, but since they are aiming decent equipment at the consumer market, they'd be pissed off to hell that Apple has eliminated a required port on their consumer MacBook.

Ah well. Maybe Apple will learn a lesson from this if the new MacBook no longer continues to be their "best selling Mac" and sales for the refurb MacBook's are miles ahead of the new gen.
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The consumer market doesn't seem to care. Just today, I told a customer that the new MB doesn't have FW, and he shrugged it off and said "whatever, i don't even know what that is."
 
Why would a consumer by a $1299 laptop just to browse the internet and fiddle MS office?

Are apple customers rich or something?
 
butterfly0fdoom said:
The consumer market doesn't seem to care. Just today, I told a customer that the new MB doesn't have FW, and he shrugged it off and said "whatever, i don't even know what that is."
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You spoke to one person and then determined the consumer market doesn't care?

I'm sure Steve Jobs used the same strategy when he decided to remove FW400.

You cannot escape this issue in any language on most mac related sites.It's been that way for nearly a week. The overwhelming reaction to this move has been very negative. People care.

If you had sat down with your customer and explained what he or she was about to lose then maybe he/she would have a different opinion.
 
Avon B7 said:
You spoke to one person and then determined the consumer market doesn't care?

I'm sure Steve Jobs used the same strategy when he decided to remove FW400.

You cannot escape this issue in any language on most mac related sites.It's been that way for nearly a week. The overwhelming reaction to this move has been very negative. People care.

If you had sat down with your customer and explained what he or she was about to lose then maybe he/she would have a different opinion.
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No, I said it before in this and other threads. I work in my school's bookstore's computer department. And it's been consistently like that since I started working there. Most people don't know what it is.

Now, that customer today was more well-informed, he at least asked (didn't include it in my earlier post because I didn't think it was all that important) "is it that camcorder thing?"

The overwhelming reaction is from here on internet boards where the minority that knows what FireWire is and what it's for and also cares about its removal are complaining. You don't here the "I don't care"s as much because the people that don't care generally don't know what FW is (and/or what it's for) and/or don't post on internet boards and therefore aren't vocal.

Yeah people care, but most people (Apple's primary target market for the regular MacBook) don't.
 
Aniki said:
so I could care less.
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djellison said:
You mean you COULDN'T care less.

Saying you could care less, means you actually care about it.
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A legit American saying. "I could care less" means we care very little, and "could care less..."

Actually, I care about FW and looked at the new MacBooks today. I love them, but really also want the FW port. The backlit keys are sweet also. I'll wait until there's a $1299 model with FW and backlit keys.
 
gkarris said:
A legit American saying. "I could care less" means we care very little, and "could care less..."
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Exactly...

"I couldn't care less" means that its the least important thing to you; "I could care less" means that while it matters its less important than correcting other people's grammar.
 
Not having FW is a big loss fro the time being. As everyone ahs mentioned the DV editing abilty has just been lost, but for me the major downside is the loss of Target Disk Mode.

This function has to be by far the best way to connect one mac to another.

I have just spent all weekend using this function on my sister's macbook reinstalling her OS from my MBP becuase her super drive has stopped working.

If no target disk mode is available on the new MB we would have been stuffed, target disk mode has saved mine and others bacon on many occassions.

This alone has stopped me recommending friends, family to upgrade to the new MB. :mad:
 
NO FIREWIRE!!!!??? No Deal

Yep..same here..if I can't use my Three Digital cameras I own now that use tape and to access my "archive" of footage I have been building..not to mention when I back up GIGS of video between my TERA DRIVES...and NOT USE FIREWIRE?? . WHAT the hell are they thinking?? I still have a FIREWIRE 5 GB, 10 GB 60 GB iPods I still use for backup and music playing.

Apple thinks I'm gonna use USB??? HA HA..the biggest joke since removing the TIMELINE from iMovie and renaming their services MOBILE ME!!!

What is up with Apple? They never cowtowed to the lower bottom feeders before? They always built with the highest standards which is why I've always promoted them to my friends and family..you think I'm gonna tell my good friends to buy CRAP PC's??? I've always said FIREWIRE FIREWIRE FIREWIRE....I've never seen such a lack of quality drop in products since removing the timeline, mobile me AND NOW.....

FIREWIRE?????

WTF

Oh yeah..another reason..TARGET DISK MODE for fixing your own problems at home!
 
Waiting on FW macbooks..

Amen, FW or bust on the macbooks. And since I don't want a pro - need to buy other (audio) hardware, thank you - it is macbook or bust, so I'm not buying any apple hardware until firewire - currently on the "white" macbook but no others? - is offered again.
 
daisy chain with a USB external that has a firewire 400 port on it???

I have a minidv tape camcorder and do not want to upgrade to a new camera at this point. It works perfectly well. I'm wondering if I can daisy chain?

With Final Cut Pro you can plug the firewire 400 camera into the external and then have the external plugged into your computer via firewire.

Thats how it is now.

THe question is...

Can that connection from the external to the computer be USB 2 instead? and can you buy USB 2 externals that come with firewire 400 port(s)?

I could always capture to my desktop computer and then transfer on an external for editing. That isn't a problem but it's a PITA.

I don't edit much anymore but I do need to do it sometimes. I want to have the ability if possible and I simply refuse to spend the coin on the pricey macbook pros.
 
Hopefully with the next update, the MB will have FW.

The space is there if they eliminate the Ethernet port. These days, you can get a relatively cheap USB to Ethernet adapter.
 
Mac going back and putting it back in???

sushi said:
Hopefully with the next update, the MB will have FW.

The space is there if they eliminate the Ethernet port. These days, you can get a relatively cheap USB to Ethernet adapter.
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Sushi,

Yeah, geez I hope you are right but I just can't see that happening.

Have there been any rumours regarding this? Anything at all that I can pin my hopes on?!

Actually I'm thinking of going 2nd hand with a 2007 Nov macbook white. it's only 68,000yen and in really top shape. saw it in my local sofmap. That way I can hold myself over for a couple of years until I need to update. Only problem is the Japanese Keyboard. I know you can order the US keyboards when you buy from apple but what about just buying a keyboard and putting it on yourself?
 
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