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No FireWire in MacBooks
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wow just stop
SHUT UP! You don't have to buy the product. The macbook is geared towards high school and college students for the most part as well as CONSUMERS. Most consumer level video cameras contain usb cables. You do not have to buy Apple's products. Apple most likely decided that the majority of people who buy macbooks do NOT use firewire, I have never used it myself and only know one person who does. And anyways if you dont want to shell out money for a mac book pro, buy a refurb or a macbook white.
SHUT UP! You don't have to buy the product. The macbook is geared towards high school and college students for the most part as well as CONSUMERS. Most consumer level video cameras contain usb cables. You do not have to buy Apple's products. Apple most likely decided that the majority of people who buy macbooks do NOT use firewire, I have never used it myself and only know one person who does. And anyways if you dont want to shell out money for a mac book pro, buy a refurb or a macbook white.
Here f-ckin here!
I was going to look at replacing my 15" MBP with a new MB, but for all the reasons others have mentioned.. I really can't go without a FW port. It was bad enough that they took the FW400 out of the MBP!.. In fact I waited 'till they included the FW800 again in the MBP 'till I got the current laptop I have now.
This just makes me angry at Apple. They giveth us awesome new MacBooks, but then they taketh away the basics, like one FW port. I suspect it has a lot to do with form over function, but really?
As a geek who uses FW so much (HDD's, Edirol audio interface, MiniDV) I am saddened. I need more ports, not less, and love having the ability to take it all with me in my bag.
ROFL
That's right you tell em Fido.
As for me, no firewire, no sale. I'm also thinking about muscians and up and coming deejays who go to gigs using MacBooks, also the pros who use a MacBook as a back-up incase the MacPro crashes etc.
Apple really are taking out the professional and serious amateur with the release of their new MacBook minus firewire slot.
I can wait. I had the money saved to back up my Mac Pro, but now I've bought a new mobile phone (nokia) and will shortly be buying a new Nikon D90. Thanks Apple
Firstly, relax. Secondly back this statement up with references or I don't believe you. Besides the gap between MB and MBP seems quite small now, only a discrete video card and screen size between them.
Well if you only know 1 person who does use it, and you yourself don't, it makes perfect sense that nobody else could possibly need it
Also, do you think the White Macbook is going to be around indefinitely? Doubt it. I would imagine they are just using up the old stock of parts before phasing it out.....
I want to replace my core duo macbook soon but I, a) cannot afford a MBP and b) don't want to lose all my FW externals.
I've registered feedback on this at the apple site. I'll wait.
sorry i dont see the big deal on having no firewire. i have a whitebook and i have never even plugged a firewire device in to my whitebook. i have had my white book for a while. even when i used my ibook i still never used firewire. i used it for 2 years. i think firewire is nice but no on the consumers notebook. on a professionals notebook like the pro then yea i see a us for it. maybe a photographer has a camera that transfers over firewire. but for your average joe that buys a macbook for the first time. he will never even know what it is. because pcs only ever used the tiny firewire on them so dont think joe probably ever used it. 
ok well so theres no firewire on the new macbook but right now i dont see firewire living but for a few more years.
ok well so theres no firewire on the new macbook but right now i dont see firewire living but for a few more years.
sorry i dont see the big deal on having no firewire. i have a whitebook and i have never even plugged a firewire device in to my whitebook. i have had my white book for a while. even when i used my ibook i still never used firewire. i used it for 2 years. i think firewire is nice but no on the consumers notebook. on a professionals notebook like the pro then yea i see a us for it. maybe a photographer has a camera that transfers over firewire. but for your average joe that buys a macbook for the first time. he will never even know what it is. because pcs only ever used the tiny firewire on them so dont think joe probably ever used it.
It is that kind of ignorant attitude that Apple has taken.
The MacBook isn't just for "first time Mac buyers" or "students" or "technology illiterate people".
And just because you haven't used FireWire, you think Apple was right to remove it? Lots of people depended on FireWire, and still do.
Your attitude along with other peoples irritates me. The whole, "if you need FireWire, just buy the Pro." There is a big price difference between the low end MacBook and the MacBook Pro.
Maybe some of us want a smaller, more portable laptop too eh?
Well, hopefully they do... But if not, we could each start mailing them a brick via snail-mail with a note attached. Sooner or later, someone at Apple would probably notice a stack of bricks piling up in the mailroom...
i can say if apple finds they make the wrong move im sure they will bring it back in 6 month or so. i under stand your frustration but i think apple is mainly thinking of first time mac users, and no pro situations. i know the pro is more expensive. if u need firewire right now that is the only option that people have laptop wise. i mean if you want firewire that bad get a plastic macbook or something else because i dont think its going to change anytime soon. i mean if firewire is that big then i guess devices like this will be selling a lot more of. all i can say is i agree about sending them bricks. i think that is a good idea lol.
Most consumer video cameras for a decade have only fw port. They are miniDV cameras. Maybe 9 out of 10 consumers that have video camera needs fw.
This seems just that apple has gone too greedy.
They already make biggest profits per net sales.
But that's not enough.
By taking fw away, consumer has to decide to buy new camera & mb or just mbp. Some of them choose the latter and apple's profits grow and everybody is happy.
This is what they are good at.
By taking away options and giving them back afterwards everybody is happy and they don't have to add any new options like esata ever...
TROLL ALERT - maddog09
I'm sure all of us here at MR appreciate the fact you registered here yesterday, just to post this comment. (you're one and only forum post, btw..) I'd say you are most likely being paid by Apple to come on here and post damage control-type posts regarding the firewire fiasco.
As for most consumer-level video cameras having USB, well My Canon "consumer-level" DV cam uses FIREWIRE. It's a proven FACT that firewire is a superior interface to USB.
This is a HUGE screw-up on Apple's part. But it goes beyond that. Remember when the hideous iMovie 08 was introduced? (you know, stripped of features, dumbed down, etc...so bad they had to offer iMovie HD 06 as a free download), Jobs was touting these new AVCHD cameras. Dollars to donuts he's got some agreement with these USB cam manufacturers to leave firewire out.
The bottom line is, they are sure that the Macbook line won't cannibalize MBP sales because they stripped the MB of firewire. So anyone with a quality pro audio firewire interface can't get in on the ground floor with the Macbook, as well as those of us with firewire DV cams.
And speaking of fleecing the customer, in order to get a backlit keyboard you have to buy the 1499 Macbook. Come on. First they make you pay 20 bucks for a remote they used to include for FREE, now this. Oh, and if you want to use your Macbook with a 30 inch LCD you may already own, you'll have to shell out 100 bucks for a mini displayport (fiasco #2) to dual-link DVI interface.
I submitted my feedback to Apple regarding the firewire issue, the backlit keyboard issue, and the price point. Apple is not exercising price sensitivity with regard to the current global economic climate. I mean, they have 20 BILLION in cash, and their new manufacturing process will end up saving them money in the long run. And they're not passing those savings on to the customer.
I'm sure all of us here at MR appreciate the fact you registered here yesterday, just to post this comment. (you're one and only forum post, btw..) I'd say you are most likely being paid by Apple to come on here and post damage control-type posts regarding the firewire fiasco.
As for most consumer-level video cameras having USB, well My Canon "consumer-level" DV cam uses FIREWIRE. It's a proven FACT that firewire is a superior interface to USB.
This is a HUGE screw-up on Apple's part. But it goes beyond that. Remember when the hideous iMovie 08 was introduced? (you know, stripped of features, dumbed down, etc...so bad they had to offer iMovie HD 06 as a free download), Jobs was touting these new AVCHD cameras. Dollars to donuts he's got some agreement with these USB cam manufacturers to leave firewire out.
The bottom line is, they are sure that the Macbook line won't cannibalize MBP sales because they stripped the MB of firewire. So anyone with a quality pro audio firewire interface can't get in on the ground floor with the Macbook, as well as those of us with firewire DV cams.
And speaking of fleecing the customer, in order to get a backlit keyboard you have to buy the 1499 Macbook. Come on. First they make you pay 20 bucks for a remote they used to include for FREE, now this. Oh, and if you want to use your Macbook with a 30 inch LCD you may already own, you'll have to shell out 100 bucks for a mini displayport (fiasco #2) to dual-link DVI interface.
I submitted my feedback to Apple regarding the firewire issue, the backlit keyboard issue, and the price point. Apple is not exercising price sensitivity with regard to the current global economic climate. I mean, they have 20 BILLION in cash, and their new manufacturing process will end up saving them money in the long run. And they're not passing those savings on to the customer.
Just a small point to add, the new MacBook Pros are down to one FireWire port. So the FireWire situation now is like telling a tall person he is too tall, and asking whether he would prefer losing a few inches off his legs or lopping his entire head off!
I was gonna convert to mac from PC.. god help me i was excited about it too! now im caught at a crossroad.. my current comp is dying and ill need one soon.. so what do i do.. buy an out of date macbook with firewire?
i think ill go and check the local mac store to see if they are selling any of the old MBPs for cheap
i think ill go and check the local mac store to see if they are selling any of the old MBPs for cheap
Maybe Apple thinks that by leaving out FW they can force everybody to go buy a new camera; after all, it worked with the TV didn't it? No 4:3 support, and suddenly everybody started buying new HDTV widescreen tv sets. The difference is that THERE WAS A REASON OTHER THAN APPLE FOR THE HDTV PURCHASES. There is no such reason to cause people to go buy a new video camera if they have one now that works.
TV didn't it? No 4:3 support, and suddenly everybody started buying new HDTV widescreen tv sets. The difference is that THERE WAS A REASON OTHER THAN APPLE FOR THE HDTV PURCHASES. There is no such reason to cause people to go buy a new video camera if they have one now that works.No firewire!!! What the hell are Apple thinking of!! and yet the new MacBooks are £200 more expensive than they ever were
I'm glad i have my old MacBook with firewire, my iMac with firewire, my MacBook Pro with firewire and my Dell Inspiron 530 Hackintosh with firewire
Artmuzz
What the hell are Apple thinking of!! and yet the new MacBooks are £200 more expensive than they ever wereI'm glad i have my old MacBook with firewire, my iMac with firewire, my MacBook Pro with firewire and my Dell Inspiron 530 Hackintosh with firewire
Artmuzz
I haven't logged on for a while for various reasons but have been reading MacRumors every day since April. I have taken a lot of information etc, researched and blah blah and will be happy to make my purchase soon.
Now, to the point...I was browsing the net and found the site below, with what looks like a Firewire (iLink) to USB adapter. I asked the customer services if it could be used with a Mini DV camera and they confirmed that it would work to a USB port. Could anybody shed more light on this?
Product: http://www.8starshop.com/en/b-usb-a-male-to-ieee-1394-firewire-4-pin-male-adapter.html?currency=GBP
Question:
Now, to the point...I was browsing the net and found the site below, with what looks like a Firewire (iLink) to USB adapter. I asked the customer services if it could be used with a Mini DV camera and they confirmed that it would work to a USB port. Could anybody shed more light on this?
Product: http://www.8starshop.com/en/b-usb-a-male-to-ieee-1394-firewire-4-pin-male-adapter.html?currency=GBP
Question:
Dear buyer,
Thank you for your email.
Yes, you could connect a Firewire (ilink) DV camcorder to a USB port. Thanks.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to let us know . We are very glad to help you.
Welcome to our online store!
Have a nice day
Best regards
yours sincerely,
customer service
======= 2008-10-15 23:44:51 your Email：=======
Hey there. Would this product allow me to connect a Firewire (ilink) DV camcorder to a USB port?
http://www.8starshop.com/en/b-usb-a-male-to-ieee-1394-firewire-4-pin-male-adapter.html?currency=GBP
Thanks
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No firewire!!!
I'm glad i have my old MacBook with firewire, my iMac with firewire, my MacBook Pro with firewire and my Dell Inspiron 530 Hackintosh with firewire
Artmuzz
Yea, I was really upset because I HAD to get a MacBook a month ago (knowing it would be updated soon) to complete some work. I chose a sweet BlackBook to ease the pain and am chuffed about it now!
Still hoping the next MB revision isnt as screwed as this one so I can upgrade!
Shurran, have you looked at my above post? I am going to email them back to make absolutely sure that this works, and may make a purchase to see. I have no idea about Firewire and USB, although two apple chat staff told me that it was possible.
I posted the chat logs here:
www.rewardguide.co.uk/files/applechat1.html
www.rewardguide.co.uk/files/applechat2.html
I really doubt this will work. From other research I did, it was expensive big electric conversion cylinder on it type of thing. I look forward to hear if anybody gets a chance to try it out.
Yeah, that is what I thought. I have read so much about how it wouldn't work, and how if there was the slightest chance that it did, then Apple would have to do this, and that.....
Anyway, I replied to the answer they gave me linking them to the specs of the MacBook, asking if they can confirm for sure whether it will work.
Delude, it won't work. It's a plug adaptor, akin to the plug adaptors you plug into the wall. They won't work unless the voltages (the bus language in case of the USB/FW) are correct, if that makes sense, me mixing the example with the real stuff.
Anyway, at most you will get the USB power through the fw terminals, but you won't get any data, that's for sure. It's not just a matter of plug shape (as in my wall plug example). You can't have firewire over usb or vice versa with a simple plug adaptor (other than power, if done correctly). That's ridiculous.
I really question the competence of those people working at places like that