iPad Pro No H.265 support No Dolby Vision

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  1. TheRealAlex, Nov 1, 2018
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    TheRealAlex macrumors 68000

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    I found it odd that Apple went out of their way to leave out HDR10 and Dolby Vision support.
    On top of that Apple has hidden or suppressed the old 10.5 Pro features page which I know mentioned HDR10 and Dolby Vison support.

    So I looked all the way down at supported Codecs on the new 2018 iPad Pro page.

    And there is no H.265 support. So to me that means No Dolby Vision support or HLG or Dynamic HDR.

    If true this is a huge set back for display quality.
     
  2. Jimx26 macrumors member

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    This is a dealbreaker for me, I was really looking forward to having HDR DV as it will be used primarily for media consumption.

    I’m surprised this has slipped by under the radar.

    I can only presume it’s a similar scenario to the iPhone 8 whereby it can accept the HDR format but not display it properly.
     
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    This needs to be clarified. I doubt Apple would suddenly drop HEVC support for video.
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    According to the Tech Specs, HEVC is captured so h.265 must be supported...

    • Video formats captured: HEVC and H.264
     
  4. jclardy macrumors 68040

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    Is this the case? It is really odd, they don't have a "Video Playback" section on the tech specs page like the do for the iPhone (Which lists HDR and Dolby Vision.) The display seems capable of it, and the camera is recording HEVC (which is H.265) so I imagine it can play it. But it does seem strange that it just isn't mentioned anywhere. I wonder if they just wanted to increase their margins by not paying the licensing fee to dolby...
     
  5. TheRealAlex thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Even the Samsung Tab S4 mentions HDR. And the fact that Apple has hidden or taken down the old 10.5 Features page which mentioned Dolby Vision and HDR10 support. Is telling in its own way.

    I wonder if The iPhone XR and its Liquid Retina display supports HDR10 and Dolby Vision

    I cringed the second Apple Labled the Display Liquid Retina they are clearly creating a Feature Gap to make room For OLED and Leave HDR10 and Dolby Vision and a Premium feature for OLED devices.

    This is early and not official yet. So more digging is needed.
     
  6. alFR macrumors 68020

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    That must be a typo, they specifically mentioned the A12X supporting HEVC / h.265 encoding and decoding in hardware in the keynote.
     
  7. TheRealAlex thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Just a guess they may have dropped Dolby Vision due to Licensing fees which are much higher depending on Display size. So iPhone may have it because its a small display and small fee at 11" and 12.9" the fees may have been too much for Apple.
    Also HDR is free there is no fee for that.
     
  8. jclardy macrumors 68040

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    I was thinking maybe they are just going to save DV/HDR10 for OLED display devices, but the XR supports both with it's liquid retina (along with the old 10.5".) Maybe it was just an oversight when they put the new tech specs page together. Or maybe it only supports HDR10 (since it is free) and they didn't want to make it obvious by having the section in there.
     
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    Literally impossible for it to not support h.265, that’s what the camera is able to capture.

    I will say, Dolby vision/HDR support was never listed on the main tech specs page for the 10.5”, but it is listed here, under TV and video: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP762?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

    It is not listed here for the new 11”: https://support.apple.com/kb/SP784?viewlocale=en_CA&locale=en_CA

    So yes, unless the support page gets updated later (which has happened), the new models appear to have dropped HDR/Dolby Vision

    HOWEVER, the 10.5” doesn’t mention h.265 at all either, so don’t take that as an indication of anything.
     
  11. jterp7 macrumors 6502a

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    this is correct to my understanding as well...
     
  12. cornerexit macrumors 6502

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    I don't care. My 4k sets at home support HDR but my last care in the world is having it on my iPad. I don't expect a mobile computing device to have some super 4k HDR like picture. I don't watch movies on it except for maybe a flight/vacation type scenario and at that point I don't care because I'm watching it on 12.9" screen and not my 49" 4k Sony flatscreens or the 73" DLP at home. To me this is completely irrelevant.
     
  13. yegon macrumors 68030

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    HDR is extremely underwhelming on the 10.5” anyway, especially when you’ve experienced it on a large screen elsewhere.
     
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    Only mention has been in the Techradar hands on.
     
  16. TH3D4RKKN1GH7 macrumors 6502a

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    Didn't last year's models do HDR10? Highly unlikely that's out for this model.
     
  17. BeatCrazy macrumors 68000

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    I bet it has to do with licensing costs of Dolby Vision.
     
  18. rui no onna macrumors 604

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    True. And I believe it's also a feature for the XR with Liquid Retina. Mind, I do believe HDR10 and Dolby Vision aren't exactly the same thing.
     
  19. Jimx26 macrumors member

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    Could be, weird how HDR isn’t mentioned though as there are no liscensing costs associated with that.
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    XR is compatible with HDR but doesn’t display it in the same way as the X and XS. Uses dithering to create HDR alike.
     
  20. T-Bob macrumors 6502a

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    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207949

    Strange.
     
  21. TheRealAlex thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I may have to post this to a sub reddit or apple support because. I what I think is or has happened is we have lost HDR10 support which is free no licensing costs there. And Dolby Vision. So Apple can give that to OLED iPad Pros next year.
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    Thats a Very important page I even printed it out before Apple modifies it or deletes it.

    My only hope is that it needs updating.
    And it takes a real reporter/journalist to call Apple out on this and wake up the Community Nothing of which any Youtubers or Blogs like The Verge or CNET will. As to why Apple has seemingly Removed HDR10 and Dolby Vision Support.

    I may send it directly to Lou from UnboxTherapy.
     
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    Pretty sure it has Dolby vision, will let you know next week when mine comes in.
     
  23. BeatCrazy macrumors 68000

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    True. But the 11" still has 600nits of brightness and can display P3. So it should still support HDR, I'm thinking.

    Definitely strange!

    Well, I have a 10.5" Pro (that I plan on keeping) and the 11" will be here on Nov 7. Since I have 100+ Dolby Vision/HDR iTunes movies, I can surely do a comparo if we don't get it all sorted out by then.
     
  24. Kal-037 macrumors 68000

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    This is getting really irritating, how much crap is Apple going to pull? This update is starting to seem like a step backwards (except for the A12X)
    :mad:
     
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