T-Bob
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Yep. And removing mention of HDR on IPP 10.5 specs may have been accidental. Unless Apple now think specifying HDR has become redundant.
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iPad Pro No H.265 support No Dolby Vision
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Yep. And removing mention of HDR on IPP 10.5 specs may have been accidental. Unless Apple now think specifying HDR has become redundant.
Timmy D
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“The screen can't display HDR content, although it can play it back (whatever benefit that has) - in the very short demos we saw the quality was good though, and given the recent iPad Pro screens were good this wasn't a problem at all.”
From https://www.techradar.com/reviews/new-ipad-pro-11
This does seem odd.
From https://www.techradar.com/reviews/new-ipad-pro-11
This does seem odd.
Kal-037
macrumors 68020
So wait, what does that even mean? Can it play HDR YouTube or Netflix like the 2nd gen? Or can it not? I’m way confused here.
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What am I supposed to see here? lol
rui no onna
Contributor
It can play content encoded in HDR. You just won't see/benefit from the increased color depth.
Boil
macrumors 68040
The part under Image Processing where it states that the new iPad Pro does HEVC encoding & decoding,,,?
It shows that it has a HEVC decoder, which means it can play HEVC stuff
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Yeah, sounds like Apple will update this page only after November 7?
Let's just wait and see. Worse come to worse, use the 14 day policy at will!
rui no onna
Contributor
HEVC = H.265
Basically, the title is wrong regarding "No H.265 support".
That's a video encoding standard that's more efficient than H.264/AVC particularly at high resolutions. It's what Netflix, et. al. use to encode their 4K videos.
As for HDR, a picture is worth a thousand words. 😛
https://dgit.com/4k-hdr-guide-45905/
UltimateSyn
macrumors 603
I highly doubt this display is any less capable of playing back HDR videos, even if Apple didn't (or hasn't yet) pursued official certification for it. HDR playback was never mentioned in the tech specs of the 2017 Pros, just as it isn't listed in the 2018 specs.
In extremely rough layman terms:
HEVC encoder turns whatever the iPad camera sees into a HEVC video
HEVC decoder turns whatever HEVC video on the iPad into sound and moving picture to be shown on the display
HEVC is H.265; H.265 is a newer standard for videos that happen to implement HEVC
HDR has nothing to do with either of this; it is simply a technique to make the file have better data to depict light better
But yes, the device needs to be able to recognise these data too depending on how the file is created (e.g. a HDR photo made with Lightroom by stacking images can be seen by most devices but a HDR movie from iTunes will show its full potential only on newer devices)
I find it funny that there are all the posts complaining that a non-HDR screen can’t play HDR content. The only way an LCD can be HDR is if it has a backlight with some sort of local dimming. The iPad doesn’t.
Yet none of you even notice or complain about how full-screen video playback on all iPads is broken. iPads turn down the backlight brightness and apply gain to the image when playing video, which causes bright areas of the image to be blown out.
Yet none of you even notice or complain about how full-screen video playback on all iPads is broken. iPads turn down the backlight brightness and apply gain to the image when playing video, which causes bright areas of the image to be blown out.
UltimateSyn
macrumors 603
LCD iOS devices are between 1000:1 and 2000:1 contrast ratios. TV’s are supposed to have at least 20,000:1 to be certified as HDR.
iPad Pro is 1626:1 according to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPad-Pro-10-5-Tablet-Review.228714.0.html
And the recommended minimum contrast ratio:
http://4k.com/news/a-closer-look-at-the-new-ultra-hd-premium-standard-of-the-uhd-alliance-12072/
“Both Peak Brightness and deep black levels of either more than 1000 nits and less than 0.05 nits of black, OR more than 540 nits of peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits of black level.”
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Kal-037
macrumors 68020
Okay so I did some reading and research and in the “tech-specs” area of the iPad Pros, it says this...
TV and Video
- AirPlay Mirroring, photos, audio, and video out to Apple TV (2nd generation or later)
- Video mirroring and video out support: up to 1080p through USB‑C Digital AV Multiport Adapter and USB‑C VGA Multiport Adapter (adapters sold separately)
- Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 4K, 30 frames per second, High Profile level 4.2 with AAC‑LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio or Dolby Audio up to 1008 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo or multichannel audio, in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG‑4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC‑LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio or Dolby Audio up to 1008 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo or multichannel audio, in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M‑JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format
Can this iPad play 4K? Is HDR something noticeable and will it be on here like the 2nd gen ipads? And then there’s the odd 6GB RAM thing... is it only for 1TB models... if it is, will it actually perform any better or because it is having to manage 1TB of storage will it work just as good as the other iPads?
Apple really made an awesome iPad, but also are so confusing this time around. :?
K.
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They listed it in the keynote and on the main product page back in 2017, which is why I’m wondering why they didn’t promote it this time around.
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Marshall73
macrumors 68030
The new lcds don’t seem capable of HDR as it’s not a feature on the Xr either. Apple paving the way for a $5k OLED iPad Pro? Might be hanging onto my 10.5 for a bit longer then.
Literally had the 12.9 in my cart just now and thought 'hmm, I should go check what MacRumors guys are saying just in case'. Brightness barely better than my 2015 12.9, and no Dolby Vision support (not to mention the outrageous price for a non-OLED screen, which Samsung tablets have). Not going to order.
UltimateSyn
macrumors 603
Maybe this is why they aren’t specifically mentioning HDR on the website anymore. On my 2017 iPad Pro there is a toggle in iTunes Video Settings to ‘Download HDR Video’ so I wonder if this option will remain on the 2018s. These HDR videos do utilize the wide color gamut of the iPad screens but it’s interesting that they don’t technically meet the brightness or contrast specs of HDR10.
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Marshall73
macrumors 68030
If that’s the case then if they play back in wide colour then they will look the same as the iPad 10.5 and iPhone 8 Plus screens. I just don’t want the, washed out by comparison, playback you got on the 7 plus vs the others.
FFR
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That’s just complete bs. Your confusing Dolby vision with the uhd 4K spec.
The iPad has p3 Wide colour display and has a 120jz refresh rate.
Dolby vision
“Dolby Vision provides for instructions or metadata that can change from scene to scene, telling the TV when push contrast or boost a particular color. Furthermore, Dolby's maximum spec for consumer TVs goes up to 12-bit color depth for a possible 68 billion colors (versus the old Rec. 709 8-bit color depth that renders just 16.7 million possible colors). On the brightness side, Dolby Vision allows for levels reaching 4,000 nits or more.”
And
“By comparison, HDR10 uses a fixed set of metadata, giving TVs less flexibility on how to handle different scenes in a particular movie, for example. HDR10 also stipulates a 10-bit color depth for up to 1.07 billion possible colors. And for brightness levels, HDR10 displays aim for 1,000 nits or more.”
Some poster on here claiming lcds are not capable of Dolby vision or hdr are just making things up.
“the brightness requirements are malleable in both Dolby and HDR10 formats. OLED sets, for example, cannot top the brightness levels of LCDs, but because OLEDs offer better contrast at lower light levels, they still qualify as HDR10- and Dolby Vision-compatible sets.”
Okay so I did some reading and research and in the “tech-specs” area of the iPad Pros, it says this...
TV and Video
So I’m confused with Apple saying it has HEVC/H.265 at the keynote, but saying H.264 on their website. **So I’m just confused on everything about these Pros, lol.
- AirPlay Mirroring, photos, audio, and video out to Apple TV (2nd generation or later)
- Video mirroring and video out support: up to 1080p through USB‑C Digital AV Multiport Adapter and USB‑C VGA Multiport Adapter (adapters sold separately)
- Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 4K, 30 frames per second, High Profile level 4.2 with AAC‑LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio or Dolby Audio up to 1008 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo or multichannel audio, in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG‑4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC‑LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio or Dolby Audio up to 1008 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo or multichannel audio, in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M‑JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format
Can this iPad play 4K? Is HDR something noticeable and will it be on here like the 2nd gen ipads? And then there’s the odd 6GB RAM thing... is it only for 1TB models... if it is, will it actually perform any better or because it is having to manage 1TB of storage will it work just as good as the other iPads?
Apple really made an awesome iPad, but also are so confusing this time around. :?
K.
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They listed it in the keynote and on the main product page back in 2017, which is why I’m wondering why they didn’t promote it this time around.
Sounds like the only way to find out about these is to simply buy and test the stuff out
d5aqoëp
macrumors 68000
Soon.... very soon pricing for all Apple products will also be too much for their customers.