No iOS 5 for iPhone 3GS?

one apple
multiple apples

one 3G
multiple 3Gs

maybe he's just pointing out the obvious: the 3G won't be upgradeable to iOS 5 (because it's stuck at 4.2.1)
 
iScott428 said:
If you bought a 3Gs after the 4 was out, you are a fool. What a waste of an upgrade, your a CHEAP consumer who just wants to be seen with the device, and you passed up the greatest phone ever made for 150$.
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By your sig, and post composed of sheer arrogance, you can clearly afford every bit of kit Apple produces, but not everyone can. What's wrong with going for the slightly cheaper option if it gets you into the ecosystem and is kind to your budget?
 
GQB said:
In short, I'm perfectly fine with a clearly defined limit being set to to backwards compatibility. If I want the new features, its up to me to get the hardware that will support it.
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Up until now, that has been 3 iOS revisions. True for iPhone 1, true for iPhone 3G.
 
lol at people thinking their phone should have it's OS updated years after the fact. You are owed nothing in relation to firmware updates.


No grown adult should be complaining about this if they have any understanding of this stuff. Besides, if they did try and cram the next iteration of the OS onto the 3GS phone, you'd just have a crap ton of people whining about how poorly it runs on their old phone. You're better off with the older OS on an older phone.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I did provide a list of things backing that statement pmz just went off insulting me. the quoted post was using had a good part of it.
iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G same hardware. 3G gets update iPhone 1 does not.

3G can do MMS iPhone1 can not. Yet they have the same hardware.
It makes it REALLY hard to use the argument iPhone1 can not support the update. It is more Apple forcing obsolete.
3G no wall paper (that takes next to no system resources) and rest can. Crap like that shows that Apples "hardware" excuses has more holes in it that swiss cheese.
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MMS was not supported on iphone1 because of the only contact you can legitimately get for it does not support MMS. In addition, lets be honest, the 3G should have never gotten any version of iOS4. Even 3.1.3 is a bit slow on those phones.
 
This isn't going to change. Apple's support of legacy devices is still way better than any other vendor out there, including Android.

When iOS5 releases, the 3Gs will be over 24 months old, regardless of whether they're still selling it or not. Apple's been consistent about their support for legacy devices - generally 2 years, give or take.
 
BruiserBear said:
lol at people thinking their phone should have it's OS updated years after the fact. You are owed nothing in relation to firmware updates.
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Years ? The iPhone 3GS is currently sold... Unless iOS 5 is somehow scheduled for 2013, your Years argument doesn't quite hold.

iPhone got 3.x
iPhone 3G got 4.x
It stands to reasone iPhone 3GS gets 5.x

Unless Apple is now breaking the pattern and moving to only 2 iOS releases per model instead of 3.
 
logandzwon said:
MMS was not supported on iphone1 because of the only contact you can legitimately get for it does not support MMS. In addition, lets be honest, the 3G should have never gotten any version of iOS4. Even 3.1.3 is a bit slow on those phones.
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false. AT&T considers MMS and SMS to be the exact same thing in terms of contracts.
 
Biolizard said:
By your sig, and post composed of sheer arrogance, you can clearly afford every bit of kit Apple produces, but not everyone can. What's wrong with going for the slightly cheaper option if it gets you into the ecosystem and is kind to your budget?
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TCO is not cheaper. look at ebay or cregslist. iPhone3Gs + $150 < iphone4
 
I have an iPhone 3G that I purchased 3 months before the release of iPhone 4 and iOS 4. At the time, I was an Apple noob and didnt realize the differences between the 3G and 3GS except for $100. I was prompted to update to iOS 4 when it was released and when I did, I bricked my phone after only enjoying it for 3 months. A part of me wants to warn these new $50 3GS owners not to take the risk in updating to iOS 5 if prompted, but a bigger part of me says "screw you, find out the hard way," especially after us 3G owners were bullied by self-righteous 3GS owners by saying "buy newer hardware" or "what do you expect from a two year old phone?" I was duped and since then have become an avid follower of all things tech and Apple and have downgraded my 3G back to iOS 3.1.3.
 
Hellhammer said:
OS X 10.5 hasn't gotten a single update after 10.6 was released, unless you count security updates as updates.
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It doesn't mean much though, they did release proper 10.x.x updates for Tiger after Leopard was released; just because they haven't done it with Leopard after Snow Leopard's release doesn't mean it is something they will "never do again".
 
Rodimus Prime said:
false. AT&T considers MMS and SMS to be the exact same thing in terms of contracts.
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All 3G and newer plans require you get a separate messaging plan, which cover both MMS and TXT. Those plans explicitly say they cover both TXT and MMS.

Original iPhone plans include 200 TXT, and offer an upgrade to unlimited TXT. There is no legitimate way to get a plan that except MMS on original iPhone.
 
Kaibelf said:
Laziness? Unlike stupid MS who is STILL stuck supporting WinXP, Apple is expecting people to at least know that they can't expect the world when buying a sub-$50 smartphone. When the new phone and OS comes out, people can buy the current iPhone4, which will then drop in price and replace the 3GS on the low end. If that's too much to ask, then go buy a Razr or Jitterbug, because clearly Apple's not the company for you. They should continue to focus ahead, not kowtow to a bunch of cheap stragglers.
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MS supporting Windows XP doesn't make them "cheap" or "lazy." A large portion of XP's userbase are corporations and businesses whose infrastructures are built around XP, making yearly OS upgrades difficult and impossible. Yes, how dare MS continue to support those customers with technical support and security patches, instead of just taking the Apple route of planned obsolescence and leaving them behind. :rolleyes:
 
I've come to accept that Apple's advantage is rigid control of the platform. If that means making something obsolete quickly, fine. Jobs says to buy more hardware, and that's often what many end up doing.

In an industry of obsolescence, Apple is king, and our user experience (not our wallets) benefits.
 
Capt Underpants said:
Laziness and planned obsolescence on Apple's part. It's going to piss a lot of people off.
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it would also piss a lot of people off when their 3GS cannot run iOS 5 smoothly. You know how many people complained because iOS 4 on the 3G. Either way Apple cannot win. They release it and get yelled at because it laggy or they don't release it and get yelled at because their device isn't running the latest firmware. I support the decision to not release it. As much as it sucks it will cause the least amount of problems in the long run.

However with these phones getting such advanced hardware like dual core processors maybe the phones will get an expanded OS life span in the near future.
 
kasei said:
Yes true, but the previous poster was implying they are the same or in his words identical when in fact they are not. A few hundred MHz difference just might be the deal breaker when Apple decides if the 3GS will support iOS 5 or not.
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I was referring to "core" hardware, being the things that factor into how fast/powerful apps can be, which would be the RAM, CPU, and GPU. The secondary hardware (screen resolution, front facing camera, etc) don't determine the speed of apps or of the OS. So in that aspect, the 3GS and iPhone 4 are almost identical, except for the doubling of the RAM. Same processor ("A4" is just Apple's name for their Cortex A8 more or less), exact same GPU. An analogy would be two hypothetical iMacs with the same CPU and exact same GPU, but iMac "B" having a higher res screen, iSight camera, double the RAM, and whatever other trivial accessories you want to add. Now, is iMac "B" that much more POWERFUL of a computer than iMac "A"? Out of all that "extra" stuff listed, the only thing that could even have an impact on app/OS performance is the RAM. None of the other stuff matters.
 
logandzwon said:
All 3G and newer plans require you get a separate messaging plan, which cover both MMS and TXT. Those plans explicitly say they cover both TXT and MMS.

Original iPhone plans include 200 TXT, and offer an upgrade to unlimited TXT. There is no legitimate way to get a plan that except MMS on original iPhone.
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again I repeat what I said. To AT&T SMS and MMS is the exact same thing in terms of contract. unless you want to explain to my while across multiple phones (no data plans) dating back to before the iPhone they never cared nor charged fees for doing MMS. I can list the phones used and many of them were not messaging phones at all.

You have 2 Samgsung Blackjack II, 3 different Sony phones, 2 different LG, Blackberry 8900 (with out a data plan) and another with.
That is all on AT&T across multiple phones, Users, and contracts many of them do not have a data plan of any type and data used was charge per use but sending MMS cost nothing.

AT&T considers MMS and SMS to be the exact same thing.
 
According to http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf:

Apple will provide you any iPhone OS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone, for free. For example, if your iPhone originally shipped with iPhone 2.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPhone OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPhone 3.x software release. Such updates and releases may not necessarily include all of the new software features that Apple releases for newer iPhone models.
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According to the above, Apple will have to release iOS 5.x to the iPhone 3GS since they are still selling iPhone 3GSs which are originally shipped with 3.x software (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC555?mco=MTg0NzUwNzg#overview). Note that Apple explicitly say "that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone", which means that they must cater for these iPhone 3GSs which are shipping with iOS 4.x.

It might be that the 3GS will not receive many of the iOS 5.x features but, according to the above it should definitely receive some sort of update.

Edit: Reading it again, the wording might mean that Apple will ship up to the original OS on your iPhone model +1, but it's ambiguous because Apple didn't say "that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone model"
 
KnightWRX said:
Years ? The iPhone 3GS is currently sold... Unless iOS 5 is somehow scheduled for 2013, your Years argument doesn't quite hold.

iPhone got 3.x
iPhone 3G got 4.x
It stands to reasone iPhone 3GS gets 5.x

Unless Apple is now breaking the pattern and moving to only 2 iOS releases per model instead of 3.
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Yes, they still sell the 3GS for $50, and it has a very nice OS on it right now. Like I already said, you are owed nothing. They sold you the phone with a very nice OS, as is. After that you should be grateful if they update the OS, not expecting it like it's some sort of promise they made to you.
 
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