No iPhone 18 in 2026, Another Report Claims

[Allen_Wentz]

You couldn't be more wrong in a single comment. Vision Pro sales were a disaster, which is why no second generation and no cheaper model have been announced 1.5 years since it was released, why there are barely any apps for it, why there is barely any content for it. It is a flop. It is well known that it was the tech demo hardware for the Apple Glasses, and Tim Cook was not willing to wait 5-10 more years to ship it. Regardless of the price, its total sales amount to about 1 days worth of Apple's revenue. It's a flop.

And yes, we have already heard plenty about the foldable, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. We know the approximate size, and specific feature choices from the most reliable Apple sources that exist. It is a short and fat iPhone aspect ratio, something no other iPhone has ever been, without Face ID, and it unfolds to almost the size of the iPad mini, which until this comes out, is currently the worst iPad. Hence, worst iPhone and worst iPad. This is easy enough to state now from the available information.

OK, we solidly disagree.

1) I think AVP is a beautiful demo and moving in a good direction.

2) IMO measuring a foldable against a phone or against a tablet is inane. Some people will prefer having a dual purpose device while others will prefer the old devices. They are simply different.

 

[frownface]

Apple already trialed this with iPhone 14 by releasing the Pro models a month before the other models, and by not updating the base model at all that year, just repackaging the iPhone 13. The ASP was still the same, and the spread was still the same, by the end of the fiscal year.

Theres a big difference between waiting 1 extra month and waiting 6 extra months though. Aside from the SE/E lines; the only times they've released base iphones that delayed is for product red and those didn't move the needle at all.

When presented the choice between spending $100 more and getting the air; vs waiting 6 more months to get another base model, a lot of people will end up choosing the air. And long term this is just going to result in the erasure of the base models.

 

[GioGiusi]

OK, we solidly disagree.

1) I think AVP is a beautiful demo and moving in a good direction.

2) IMO measuring a foldable against a phone or against a tablet is inane. Some people will prefer having a dual purpose device while others will prefer the old devices. They are simply different.

Dude, no one is dumb enough to pay $2,000 for a foldable when you can get both a better iPhone AND a better iPad for $500 less. This isn't difficult.

They'll sell fewer of these than Vision Pro with their current plans.

 

[zaidbaby]

Dude, no one is dumb enough to pay $2,000 for a foldable when you can get both a better iPhone AND a better iPad for $500 less. This isn't difficult.

They'll sell fewer of these than Vision Pro with their current plans.

Fold will sell like hot cake.

 

[bluespark]

Yeah, it’s a great device still! Plus, Apple’s proprietary Lightning still rocks! I prefer it over USB-C.

I would like USB-C for the purposes of wired lossless audio to non-Apple headphones (a niche concern, admittedly) and to reduce the number of cables I need to carry, but I otherwise agree. Great phone with a great camera, and I doubt my experience would materially change if I were to spend $1K on a new phone.

 

[bluespark]

Dude, no one is dumb enough to pay $2,000 for a foldable when you can get both a better iPhone AND a better iPad for $500 less. This isn't difficult.

They'll sell fewer of these than Vision Pro with their current plans.

We’ll see, but if the foldable phone works well, it wouldn’t at all be a “dumb” purchase for those of us who need something like this. At least twenty times a day, I receive documents that are too large to open on my phone’s screen. Having a pocketable device that would let me access those documents would be a huge productivity booster for me.

 

[GioGiusi]

We’ll see, but if the foldable phone works well, it wouldn’t at all be a “dumb” purchase for those of us who need something like this. At least twenty times a day, I receive documents that are too large to open on my phone’s screen. Having a pocketable device that would let me access those documents would be a huge productivity booster for me.

There is no such thing as a "document that is tool small to open on my phone". You can open it. You can view. You can zoom in if you can't see it. This isn't a reason to pay twice as much for a worse phone.

Tablets have actual utility that goes beyond seeing things larger. But they need a minimum size, around 10", to actually be usable that way. Something smaller than an iPad mini is not a tablet, so it has no additional utility.

 

[zaidbaby]

There is no such thing as a "document that is tool small to open on my phone". You can open it. You can view. You can zoom in if you can't see it. This isn't a reason to pay twice as much for a worse phone.

Tablets have actual utility that goes beyond seeing things larger. But they need a minimum size, around 10", to actually be usable that way. Something smaller than an iPad mini is not a tablet, so it has no additional utility.

That is your preference, not everyone else's. There are many people who will get the fold whether it makes sense for your personal use case or not. The popularity of Fold 7 is a proof of that. Then there is a group of users who just want latest and greatest.

I for one will definitely get fold.

 

[mlayer]

There is no such thing as a "document that is tool small to open on my phone". You can open it. You can view. You can zoom in if you can't see it. This isn't a reason to pay twice as much for a worse phone.

Tablets have actual utility that goes beyond seeing things larger. But they need a minimum size, around 10", to actually be usable that way. Something smaller than an iPad mini is not a tablet, so it has no additional utility.

I mostly agree with you, except that Amazon's smallest Kindle Fire has always been 7" or 8" and it does its main job (occupying children) quite well.

 

[GioGiusi]

I mostly agree with you, except that Amazon's smallest Kindle Fire has always been 7" or 8" and it does its main job (occupying children) quite well.

Children are not looking for tablet utility. They're happy with anything.

 

[GioGiusi]

That is your preference, not everyone else's. There are many people who will get the fold whether it makes sense for your personal use case or not. The popularity of Fold 7 is a proof of that. Then there is a group of users who just want latest and greatest.

I for one will definitely get fold.

I haven't said anything about preference. I'm speaking straight fact. People who buy the Samsung Fold ignore all fact and are going for novelty. To date, they are nothing but gimmick and novelty. No practical utility whatsoever. That is not an opinion.

 

[zaidbaby]

I haven't said anything about preference. I'm speaking straight fact. People who buy the Samsung Fold ignore all fact and are going for novelty. To date, they are nothing but gimmick and novelty. No practical utility whatsoever. That is not an opinion.

Its not a fact. I personally know of many people having different use cases. Heck even I have many. Fold is going to fill that gap not for me but for many. Calling personal opinion/take a fact is coming from ignorance. Let's bet, my claim is iPhone Fold will sell like hot cake. Let's see that next year.

 

[GioGiusi]

Its not a fact. I personally know of many people having different use cases. Heck even I have many. Fold is going to fill that gap not for me but for many. Calling personal opinion/take a fact is coming from ignorance. Let's bet, my claim is iPhone Fold will sell like hot cake. Let's see that next year.

Fact: The size and feature set of the iPhone Fold is already known.
Fact: Without Face ID, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup. With a short and fat aspect ratio, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup.
Fact: The iPad mini is the least useful iPad due to being too small to have any real tablet utility, and this unfolded phone is going to be even smaller than that. It will not have tablet utility.
Fact: $2,000 is significantly more than a better iPhone ( iPhone Pro at $999 ) and a better iPad ( iPad Air at $499 ).

There is no opinion anywhere in there. My opinion is that very few people will buy it, because of these facts. Your opinion is that people will ignore all of these facts and choose the novelty of something new over anything resembling value or common sense.

 

[bluespark]

There is no such thing as a "document that is tool small to open on my phone". You can open it. You can view. You can zoom in if you can't see it. This isn't a reason to pay twice as much for a worse phone.

Tablets have actual utility that goes beyond seeing things larger. But they need a minimum size, around 10", to actually be usable that way. Something smaller than an iPad mini is not a tablet, so it has no additional utility.

Right now, today, members of my workgroup who have foldable Android phones can open PDF or word processor files and read the documents with no special effort. Those of us on non-foldable phones must zoom in to make the text large enough to read, and then we are forced to scroll around like lunatics to read the entire document.

I get that foldable phones aren’t for everyone, but you’re apparently not experiencing what I am.

 

[zaidbaby]

Fact: The size and feature set of the iPhone Fold is already known.
Fact: Without Face ID, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup. With a short and fat aspect ratio, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup.
Fact: The iPad mini is the least useful iPad due to being too small to have any real tablet utility, and this unfolded phone is going to be even smaller than that. It will not have tablet utility.
Fact: $2,000 is significantly more than a better iPhone ( iPhone Pro at $999 ) and a better iPad ( iPad Air at $499 ).

There is no opinion anywhere in there. My opinion is that very few people will buy it, because of these facts. Your opinion is that people will ignore all of these facts and choose the novelty of something new over anything resembling value or common sense.

Those are your subjective takes for example there are literally people on this very forum who want the touch id back and prefer it over face id.

 

[zaidbaby]

Right now, today, members of my workgroup who have foldable Android phones can open PDF or word processor files and read the documents with no special effort. Those of us on non-foldable phones must zoom in to make the text large enough to read, and then we are forced to scroll around like lunatics to read the entire document.

I get that foldable phones aren’t for everyone, but you’re apparently not experiencing what I am.

Exactly! I for one getting the fold day 1.

 

[bluespark]

Exactly! I for one getting the fold day 1.

I’m also a Day 1 purchaser when Apple makes a foldable. Can’t wait.

 

[GioGiusi]

Those are your subjective takes for example there are literally people on this very forum who want the touch id back and prefer it over face id.

Don't be ridiculous. No one takes that seriously. Face ID is not even in the same realm as Touch ID, and 99% of iPhone customers could not live without it. You're just reaching for anything at this point.

 

[zaidbaby]

Don't be ridiculous. No one takes that seriously. Face ID is not even in the same realm as Touch ID, and 99% of iPhone customers could not live without it. You're just reaching for anything at this point.

You seem to have recently joined the forum and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. "99%" haha. Did you try magician as a career mate? 😅

 

[GioGiusi]

You seem to have recently joined the forum and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. "99%" haha. Did you try magician as a career mate? 😅

Stop flame baiting, it's against the rules. I've been around this scene a long time, and am rarely wrong about anything Apple. So, keep it up. You'll see.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Fact: The size and feature set of the iPhone Fold is already known.
Fact: Without Face ID, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup. With a short and fat aspect ratio, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup.
Fact: The iPad mini is the least useful iPad due to being too small to have any real tablet utility, and this unfolded phone is going to be even smaller than that. It will not have tablet utility.
Fact: $2,000 is significantly more than a better iPhone ( iPhone Pro at $999 ) and a better iPad ( iPad Air at $499 ).

There is no opinion anywhere in there. My opinion is that very few people will buy it, because of these facts. Your opinion is that people will ignore all of these facts and choose the novelty of something new over anything resembling value or common sense.

We disagree.
• IMO you misuse what you call facts. E.g. even if "size and feature set of the iPhone Fold is already known," which I would say it is rumored rather than known, for most of us the reality of a new folding device remains unknown. I certainly need to touch base with, hold, fold, eyeball the display in various lighting and test it in my pocket before I would claim any "knowing," even if spec rumors are 100% complete and accurate.
•. Some of us actually prefer touch ID to face ID. Meaning that for us your statement "Without Face ID, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup" is not a fact. It is your opinion.
•. Similarly your statement "With a short and fat aspect ratio, it is a worse iPhone than every iPhone in the lineup" is an uninformed opinion, not a fact. We have not tried it yet.

•. Note that a huge number of people [tens of millions in the USA alone] have impaired vision. For an individual with impaired vision, having additional screen real estate while still maintaining pocketability can be an extreme value add.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Don't be ridiculous. No one takes that seriously. Face ID is not even in the same realm as Touch ID, and 99% of iPhone customers could not live without it. You're just reaching for anything at this point.

Allow me to explain why some of us [I claim no percentage, could be 30% or could be 0.3%] prefer touch ID.
• It works in the dark and in other weird lighting scenarios that cause facial ID to break.
• It works when the iPhone is concealed in a pocket or whatever.

Note that I am not lobbying against facial ID, just advising why some of us prefer touch ID.