No Mac Pro: Not Fair

[cohen777]

very surprised

I was expecting a new Mac Pro with a six core chip. Apple can focus all they want on the consumer/toy market, but they can't forget about about the high end "pro" user either. WWDC and the other big Mac conferences (MacWorld) are about making a splash with new hardware. Hopefully, we'll here an announcement tomorrow. Also, missing from the big keynote are the expected improvements on the high end apps like Final Cut Studio.

 

[Octobot]

It's coming sooner or later.. and everyone here will chill out.
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[2contagious]

Is there no way Apple might update the Mac Pro over the next few days at WWDC? What's the next possible update time?

 

[Techhie]

Gosh you are persistent... to be more specific, i meant "Pro" in terms of the type of use; pro in this case, means not primarily for PERSONAL use (this machine is used in a recording studio, and is not the only machine around), so, the fact that i do not rely on this only machine to get things running (which you just assumed i did) proves that you are just making assumptions since the beginning;

If the Mac Pro is not powerful enough for your tasks, one wouldn't think that any of your others could act as a viable replacement.

We need to get some work done, keep the suspense for the people who can afford it.

Apparently you can, considering you sold your workstation.

We are not (only) driven by the hype of the latest cool device in town, or the actions of trend-setters... no, we actually make budget plans and forecasts in order to buy new hardware.

Making a budget plan does not consist of selling the current machine used for income at the suggestion of an update.

but pro-sumers.... man we need our stuff, and we need it ASAP.

No, you only need a new machine now because you sold your last one. Your well-being isn't dependent upon a rendering speed increase of few seconds. Prosumers are exactly that, consumers who buy professional-grade equipment for a purpose OTHER than making a living off of them. Why else would there be a distinction between prosumer and pro?

If the main focus of the company (Apple) is now deviated from us pro users, to the trend-setting "gadgeteers", and now everything revolves 100% on gadgets such as iPads, iPhones and iPods, it would be advisable to use a different, parallel and completely divorced strategy for us Pro consumer

The main focus of Apple was NEVER pro users, they have always been a niche market. True that the recent focus has shifted even more to the "i" market, but It seems like you are not being devastated by the effects of this partial neglect.

I don't mean to get personal, but making complaints as if you depend on the machine is annoying to people who realistically make their paycheck from the machines (again, not me). If you can afford to sell the machine, then you can afford to wait.

 

[lemonade-maker]

I wanted a bike for Xmas but all I got was a hotwheel set. Not fair.

 

[telequest]

Give'm a break

I for one sympathize with anyone frustrated with waiting for the next Mac Pro update. Being kept in the dark by the company on which you depend for core technology for your business is not a positive situation. Apple's commitment to the pro market remains an open question. I'm hoping the next release will be soon and will reaffirm that commitment.

If the 2009s had been as good a deal as the 2008s, there'd probably be fewer complaints about waiting for the 2010s. Obviously they're powerful machines and I'll buy one (either 2008 or 2009, refurb or used most likely) if my next job requires one before the 2010s are available.

But c'mon, no need to rag on the thread starter for being tired of waiting - even if you might question selling machines before replacements are for certain available. Fine if that's not a choice you would make, but please skip the bit about whether someone is a "pro" or not. We're all different, but all in the same boat - we'd all benefit from more predictable releases.

 

[Techhie]

But c'mon, no need to rag on the thread starter for being tired of waiting - even if you might question selling machines before replacements are for certain available.

I think we are just tired and irritable after another disappointment

 

[Icaras]

1- Should concern Apple since i'm a customer for practically ALL Apple products. All of them. High end Desktops, High end Laptops, phones, iPods, iPads, Software. All of it. So if they don't care about me, would they care about you Icaras?.

I never said anything about Apple not caring about you or a particular demographic, VirtuallyReal.

2- This is an Apple Community, and i posted this on a Apple Mac Pro section of the Forum, a place that exist because people like me care about this type of things; if you are not particularly interested, you just said it: i have the right to complain, or as i prefer to put it, EXPRESS MY OPINION.

If you don't care, feel free to waste your time some place else, thanks.

You mean, just like how you're wasting time on these forums too, right?

Anyway, I also never said you had less or more right to complain than the OP or the next guy. Really don't understand why your taking my post personal. I simply stated that the OP has just about every right to complain and "care" about things just as you do. Yes?

 

[VirtuallyReal]

Your decision tells me only that you're not very busy. If rendering speed is your only selling point, maybe you should learn some new skills.

before quoting, check who you are quoting. i never said i'm the the video editing industry.

Someone else's is, not me.

And again, stop questioning skills, stop trying to make this general concern become a personal matter; is not about my decision to sell my old Mac Pro and how accurate or not that decision was; is not about this other guy's need of more rendering power... this post is about our concern on the fact that is Apple applying the a similar launch strategy for PRO and consumer products. Period.

 

[telequest]

I think we are just tired and irritable after another disappointment

I can relate to that. So let's try some solidarity in the meantime even if we feel like snarling. Let's snarl at Apple, not each other.

 

[bocomo]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this way of thinking. Do you think a new Mac Pro is going to save your life? Your career depends on hardware that doesn't exist yet? What on earth are you doing? How do you think people are working right now and making money with such "old" machines? What is a new Mac Pro going to do that you can't do now???

Seriously.

+1

 

[VirtuallyReal]

point is: there are obviously many types of professionals, but he doesn't have the same right to complain if his work means so little to him that he has the ability to arbitrarily sell his primary workstation.

i Have the right to do whatever i want, and for the 11th time, WHO TOLD YOU THAT WAS MY PRIMARY WORKSTATION? this is getting very annoying.

Point is: if you think you are so much more "professional" than the rest of us, if you think i have "lesser right" to express my opinion, and if you are so happy with Apple's current launching periods for the PRO segment, then what are you doing here? go and create an "i'm so happy because i have to wait until October to get my new Mac Pro" Thread

... or maybe you just work @ Apple? if so, you should be thankful for us giving you this kind of input, as your paycheck might come out of MY pocket.

 

[notabadname]

Wow, I can't believe how people are so eager to judge and make determinations of the OP's statement and profession. I think it is pretty arrogant to determine what makes another person a "professional".

engaged in a profession or engaging in as a profession or means of livelihood

it need not be your sole source of income and you may only "dabble" in it, yet you can still be a professional. I, like the OP, am frustrated by what many would say is a lengthy delay in the update process for the Mac Pro. I consider myself a "professional" user of the Mac Pro but am obviously an enthusiast or I wouldn't be posting on this site. I too work in videography and am eager for an update and am frustrated as well. I only take projects when it suits my schedule around my other, primary income. But, by virtue of being paid for my work, it is legitimate to say I am a professional. Apple's reluctance to update its "Pro" line adequately (which I consider to include Final Cut as well as the Mac Pro) to support blu-ray is disappointing and impacts my business. I have a desire to provide an HD deliverable product on blu-ray, authored natively on a Mac with Mac software. Yes there are other options, but they cost more, because switching to Adobe products would break my upgrade path and associated savings. It is reasonable for a poster to be frustrated with Apple, and feel that Apple's reluctance, or slowness, to upgrade its professional product line may be costing them money. Unless you have access to my finances (Google or Facebook employee anyone?), who would any poster be to judge another's determination of what is costing their own business money. Apple was at one time considered (at least IMO) the de-facto platform for creative "professionals" (there's that word again) in the graphics, imaging, film and videography industry. Now we have Apple, a "blu-ray" supporter, still currently listed here: http://us.blu-raydisc.com/ , that still doesn't actually support blu-ray. The last time they updated the large-format 30" ACD was over 3 years ago. Zero options to get a blu-ray in my Mac from Apple, yet I can get it from Acer? are you kidding me? Is that the creative industry leader many of us became so enamored with?

So yes, Apple's upgrade pace can impact my income, as well as my own business decisions in anticipation of those upgrades. I truly find it hard to believe any poster here hasn't "held off" a purchase or upgrade decision in anticipation of a hardware or software update. And the best way to get a better price on hardware is to sell it before its replacement obsoletes or devalues it. Let's face it, they update a telephone like clockwork every year, reliably and predictably. Yet they make no priority or fanfare really about the Mac Pro that is used to create what was once the core of their business / pro user. I too am annoyed.

 

[bocomo]

Wow, I can't believe how people are so eager to judge and make determinations of the OP's statement and profession. I think it is pretty arrogant to determine what makes another person a "professional".

i think it is due to the whiny nature of the original post, coupled with the "sold it based on rumors/guesses" routine

 

[Grimace]

It's a developer's conference, not a conference for new products. While you may be concentrating on the keynote, there is a whole week of development workshops.

 

[atomwork]

The Dark Side of the Apple

I feel your pain. Apple is way to slow in updating their product "Pro" line. It would be nice to pass along updated chips and graphic cards on a quarterly base or as they come available. Good would be a build-to-order system that really offers more in depth upgrades. Even the graphic card options are pathetic.

Their last MBP update was a disappointment. Using a code duo i5 and i7 chips was a smack in the face. Mobile power? Where? It's 3x slower then an "outdated" MacPro... Based on other available configurations in the industry.

But I understand apple. by selling the same old technology over and over they make the most cash. If they would upgrade the machines they lose out on money.

But who cares!!! Apple is now a "mobile" company. Jam packed stores. No more need for the pros Let's face it. 90% cash doesn't come from pro gear. Otherwise Apple could have bought Adobe to sell more Pro gear.

 

[VirtuallyReal]

If the Mac Pro is not powerful enough for your tasks, one wouldn't think that any of your others could act as a viable replacement.



Apparently you can, considering you sold your workstation.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID I RELY ENTIRELY ON THAT ONE AND ONLY COMPUTER.

Making a budget plan does not consist of selling the current machine used for income at the suggestion of an update.

WHO SAID THIS IS EVEN THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME I HAVE?


No, you only need a new machine now because you sold your last one. I DON'T NEED A NEW MACHINE AND NO, I WON'T DIE IF STEVE DECIDES TO LAUNCH THE NEXT MAC PRO IN 2012, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN, BECAUSE I DO.

Your well-being isn't dependent upon a rendering speed increase of few seconds. Prosumers are exactly that, consumers who buy professional-grade equipment for a purpose OTHER than making a living off of them. Why else would there be a distinction between prosumer and pro?
AT LAST, ONE THING WE AGREE, ALTOUGH IS IRRELEVANT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD


The main focus of Apple was NEVER pro users, they have always been a niche market. True that the recent focus has shifted even more to the "i" market, but It seems like you are not being devastated by the effects of this partial neglect.TRUE. PISSED OF, BUT NEVER DEVASTATED

I don't mean to get personal, but making complaints as if you depend on the machine is annoying to people who realistically make their paycheck from the machines (again, not me). WRONG HERE. THEY ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT I JOIN THEIR CONCERN ON THIS MATTER!

If you can afford to sell the machine, then you can afford to wait.I CAN AFFORD WHATEVER I DECIDE TO, THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT HERE, WHAT CAN I OR CANNOT AFFORD, THE SUBJECT HERE IS: WHY THE WAIT? THE ANSWER REMAINS ON THE "i" SEGMENT: iPAD JUST CAME OUT, NOW THE iPHONE 4... MAYBE THEY'RE JUST "SPACING" BETWEEN LAUNCHES

Thanks Techhie to clear things out; at some point it did started to look personal

 

[TMRaven]

It is hard to not totally blow off a guy's rant and self-proclaimed "professionalism" when he sells his own top-dollar machine based on only rumors of a possible refresh. No guy in his right mind who depended on his machine to make a living would take such a risk, and I personally highly doubt the people he works for would care so much for slightly increased render times-- seeing that mac pro is already super fast in terms of video encoding, and a good majority of pro markets still rely on ppc macs in their studios.

I'm not going to attack the guy's professionalism, because I have no reason not to believe him, but it's not below me to say it was a rather dumb move to sell his "income" based on only speculation. To me the whole notion screams more like an enthusiast move rather than a sensible move which someone's job depended on.

Oh well, live and learn.

 

[VirtuallyReal]

I never said anything about Apple not caring about you or a particular demographic, VirtuallyReal.



You mean, just like how you're wasting time on these forums too, right?

Anyway, I also never said you had less or more right to complain than the OP or the next guy. Really don't understand why your taking my post personal. I simply stated that the OP has just about every right to complain and "care" about things just as you do. Yes?

Icaras, just so you know, i'm the OP.
And im not wasting time here; i started this thread to express my opinions and see if others relate, thanks.

 

[notabadname]

i think it is due to the whiny nature of the original post, coupled with the "sold it based on rumors/guesses" routine

I just read the post again. I just don't see "whiny". Frustrated, yes. Annoyed that we can't get an update on a product as high-end as the Mac Pro, but we all knew there would be a new iPhone announced this month last August?

What I certainly don't see are any comments by the OP that anyone else should "learn some new skills", "you do not classify as a pro, or at least not a sensible one", "the OP needs to reconsider the reasons he classifies as a "pro.", "Bull. Professionals don't sell equipment based on rumors and speculations. or stating that someone "doesn't have the same right to complain".

So much for the Apple community being supportive and open minded. I am starting to see the "arrogant" part that PC users claim to be true Apple users.

 

[Techhie]

Thanks Techhie to clear things out; at some point it did started to look personal

I don't want to be the guy shouting "troll!," but some of your replies seem laughable.

We could go on all day, but obviously you are going to "express yourself" regardless of the venue or the thoughts of the forums you claim to regard.

Far be it from me to dictate where/when you make a fool of yourself.

 

[Icaras]

Icaras, just so you know, i'm the OP.
And im not wasting time here; i started this thread to express my opinions and see if others relate, thanks.

Ah, sorry, I was not paying attention really. Anyway, why the negativity? I was originally trying to defend your original post? Whether you are pro or not, your dollar means just as much to Apple as a professional's.

 

[Techhie]

So much for the Apple community being supportive and open minded. I am starting to see the "arrogant" part that PC users claim to be true Apple users.

I think people are overshooting the distinction between users and pros. This is not a "what does it mean to be human?" question of abstraction. There is a pretty solid line dividing them. I'm not saying where that line is, as others have pointed out, its not my place to say, however it must be noted that there is a line and most people fall on either side of it.

 

[VirtuallyReal]

i think it is due to the whiny nature of the original post, coupled with the "sold it based on rumors/guesses" routine

i have the right to say it, if you think i was "whining" well that's your interpretation. i stated the FACT that pro gear is falling behind, update-wise.

And the whole "sold it based on rumors/guesses routine" of that particular machine doesn't mean it is my ONLY resource for income. the only ones making a "guessing routine" here are the ones implying that i'm dumb enough to sell the only source of all my income... that's not even my primary source of income.

 

[notabadname]

Ultimately, the Apple Store says it all about the priority of the Mac Pro. The ones I have been in, all seem to have just a single Mac Pro, in the back corner of the store. I usually never have to wait to demo it either. It simply is not a focus anymore.