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Dell intro's 17" @ 1920x1200 resolution, from $1499

m a y a said:
Yes, it does seem Apple is falling short in the mobile market:

1. LCD Screen resolution.
2. Optical DVD drive not supporting DVD-RW or even +/- formats.
3. Low Standard ram 256. should be 512.

You can add more to that list if you desire. :-(


http://news.com.com/Dell+fields+17-inch+notebook/2100-1044_3-5426837.html

Dell offers Inspiron 9200 customers a choice between two 17-inch wide-screen displays, offering resolutions of either 1,440 pixels by 900 pixels known as WXGA+, or 1,920 pixels by 1200 pixels known as WUXGA.

The machine can also be configured with one of three Intel Pentium M processors running at speeds of 1.6GHz to 2GHz, hard drives of up to 100GB, and wireless networking. The 9200 also comes with ATI's Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics, fitted with 128MB of its own memory.

The base 9200 comes with a 1.6GHz Pentium M 725, the WXGA+ 17-inch display, 256MB of RAM, a 40GB hard drive, a DVD-ROM and an 802.11b Wi-Fi module from Intel for $1,699. It drops to $1,499 with the current Dell rebate.

Seems like 256 MiB of RAM is the norm....but it does have 128 MiB of VRAM standard.

It's $2100 with 1920x1200 screen, 512 MiB, 8x DVD+-/R/RW, 802.11g.
 
johnnyjibbs said:
Some of the competition may be better, but they run Windows and not Mac OS X, which is a major problem for a lot of people. :)


I dont know if look better is the way to say it. Cause I think a 1" thick 6 pound 17" looks good. But that dull is 1.5" thick and 8 pounds. That dosent look good, but it still is better in some ways.

Corey
 
panda said:
wouldn't i be great if...

-and one more thing... pbG4 dual core 15" and 17" and 12" single core 1.5ghz, all with better screen resolutions.

I think we might see a possible a Dual-Core PowerPC 970MP in the PB in January. SEVERAL sites, appleinsider, thinksecret, and macosrumors are all talking about that possibility. While I dont think as macosrumors as reliable, when it talks about what their IBM sources are saying compared to what I found on an thinksecret discussion board, I am hearing POWER5s (G6?) by the end of 05, because it will produce less heat, have more that one core and since it can lower the clock speed and actually turn off one of the processors. Now im trying to think if I should just stick my PB money in a mutual fund and just wait for a G6PB...

by the way I think we should start a petition for Counterstrike on Macs.
 
ashon3611 said:
I think we might see a possible a Dual-Core PowerPC 970MP in the PB in January. SEVERAL sites, appleinsider, thinksecret, and macosrumors are all talking about that possibility. While I dont think as macosrumors as reliable, when it talks about what their IBM sources are saying compared to what I found on an thinksecret discussion board, I am hearing POWER5s (G6?) by the end of 05, because it will produce less heat, have more that one core and since it can lower the clock speed and actually turn off one of the processors. Now im trying to think if I should just stick my PB money in a mutual fund and just wait for a G6PB...

by the way I think we should start a petition for Counterstrike on Macs.

do you mean the people on the forums, or the actual sites? i didn't see anything on appleinsider or thinksecret, just on mosr, which isn't known to be super accurate.

that would be pretty cool to have a dual core g5 powerbook though...

and counterstrike... no thanks...
 
thickness/weight data from Dell/Apple spec sheets

Giantred said:
I dont know if look better is the way to say it. Cause I think a 1" thick 6 pound 17" looks good. But that dull is 1.5" thick and 8 pounds. That dosent look good, but it still is better in some ways.

Corey

Dell 17" - 1.6", 7.7 lbs (41.5mm, 3.5kg)

PB 17" - 1.0", 6.9 lbs (26mm, 3.1kb)

Apple - $2899 512 MiB with 128 MiB VRAM ($2799 with 64 MiB)

Dell - $1873 with 8x DVD+-R/RW, 512MiB, 80 GB, 802.11g
($1499 for 256 MiB, 40 GB, 802.11g with DVD-ROM, $1548 with combo)
 
Does anybody notice the new displays the PC manufacturers are putting on their laptops? Sony came out with their XBrite(which is still the best). Then Toshiba, HP, and Compaq all have these new clearer displays. I really hope Apple moves in this direction as well, but have one as good as Sony's version. All of the other versions get distorted at extreme angles, whereas the Sony stays perfectly clear! I would love the G5 Powerbook have a NEW display with the higher resolution, ala Sony.
 
AidenShaw said:
Dell 17" - 1.6", 7.7 lbs (41.5mm, 3.5kg)
Dell - $1873 with 8x DVD+-R/RW, 512MiB, 80 GB, 802.11g
($1499 for 256 MiB, 40 GB, 802.11g with DVD-ROM, $1548 with combo)

I have no idea where you're getting these ridiculous prices from.

Dell Inspiron 9200 (as of 1:29 AM EST, Oct. 27 2004, since time matters with their stupid sales promotions)
Pentium M 1.6ghz
17" XGA screen
512MB RAM
128MB Radeon 9700 Mobile
8x DVD+/-RW
80GB 5400RPM
80Whr battery
Software (Acrobat Elements for PDF, burning, security, XP Pro, etc.)
$2,637
 
thatwendigo said:
I have no idea where you're getting these ridiculous prices from.

Dell Inspiron 9200 (as of 1:29 AM EST, Oct. 27 2004, since time matters with their stupid sales promotions)
Pentium M 1.6ghz
17" XGA screen
512MB RAM
128MB Radeon 9700 Mobile
8x DVD+/-RW
80GB 5400RPM
80Whr battery
Software (Acrobat Elements for PDF, burning, security, XP Pro, etc.)
$2,637



This sounds alittle mroe acurate for the Dell Side. I have priced many laptops with them and there small prices they give you in ads, dont include proccesers ect. Once again it depends on what way you look at it, I say they are some what equal on the price front since your paying an extra 200- for a much smaller machine.

Corey
 
ashon3611 said:
I think we might see a possible a Dual-Core PowerPC 970MP in the PB in January. SEVERAL sites, appleinsider, thinksecret, and macosrumors are all talking about that possibility. While I dont think as macosrumors as reliable, when it talks about what their IBM sources are saying compared to what I found on an thinksecret discussion board, I am hearing POWER5s (G6?) by the end of 05, because it will produce less heat, have more that one core and since it can lower the clock speed and actually turn off one of the processors. Now im trying to think if I should just stick my PB money in a mutual fund and just wait for a G6PB...

I really wish people that didn't understand chips would stop doing this.

From your own damn source (which you didn't link):
Aside from cache and bus improvements, Antares will boast a number of other design strides over the "Altair" 970FX chip. One area will be power management; the 970MP will feature enhancements to IBM's PowerTune technology -- first introduced in the 970FX -- which conserves power by throttling its clock speed on a dime. Both cores will throttle clock speeds and voltage up or down in tandem, sources said.​

People who don't understand PowerTune think it's some godsend. It isn't. What PowerTune does is lower the clockspeed when the processor (or processors, in this case) isn't in use. It does next to nothing for operational core temperature, especially not for a system that's supposed to be a professional-use machine that will be on all the time and churning data around. You'll have lower power consumption when idle, and that's about it.

In other words, the PowerBook would be cooler when you're not doing anything with it or just surfing the web, but the moment you do something processor-intensive, it goes nova. A single 970FX core running at speeds Apple has used is, at its coolest peak heat, approximately 30 watts (around 1.6ghz) and you face new issues with going dual-core. Surface area becomes very important, since you have to pull heat off a smaller space, and that means you'll have twice as much heat in the same amount of space. Without some kind of design miracle, a 970MP will be hotter than a single core and claiming that it's going in the PowerBook is just ridiculous.

By comparison, Intel and AMD aren't going dual core in notebooks until late 2005 or early 2006. Pipe. Dream. They're both struggling just to get it onto desktops and servers, with Intel pushing roughly 200 watts with the Pentium 4 600EX (two Prescott 3.2ghz cores). Likewise, AMD's pushing 120-180 watts with the dual-core K8s.

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Found after the fact:
Insanely Great refereneces:
The big news is that Apple is a customer for the 970MP, and it will run at up to 3GHz on a 1GHz bus. This is not, however, a low-power chip designed for notebooks; it is expected Apple will use it in the Power Mac G5 and the XServe G5. However, the 970MP does have power-saving modes built-in.​
 
Look in the right place....

thatwendigo said:
I have no idea where you're getting these ridiculous prices from.

Dell Inspiron 9200 (as of 1:29 AM EST, Oct. 27 2004, since time matters with their stupid sales promotions)
Pentium M 1.6ghz
17" XGA screen
512MB RAM
128MB Radeon 9700 Mobile
8x DVD+/-RW
80GB 5400RPM
80Whr battery
Software (Acrobat Elements for PDF, burning, security, XP Pro, etc.)
$2,637

Here's the cut-n-paste from the order:

Code:
Inspiron 9200

From $2,172
[b]Now from $1,846[/b]  (this is the special offer -as)
 
Inspiron 9200  
 Catalog Number / Description   Product Code   SKU   Id 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------
 Inspiron 9200: Intel® Pentium® M 725 Processor (1.60GHz/400MHz FSB)   GBM16HN   [221-6536]   1 

 LCD Panel: 17" UltraSharp™ Wide Screen XGA+ Display   17XGA   [320-3900]   2 
  
 Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition   WHXP   [420-4766][313-2208][412-0408][412-0689][313-3081]   11 
 
 Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr Technical Support   ST111RR   [950-9057][950-3337][950-3550][412-0361][960-2780]   29 
  
 Memory: 512MB DDR SDRAM at 333MHz 2 Dimm   512MB2D   [311-4263]   3 

 Video Card: 128MB ATI's™ Mobility Radeon™ 9700   ATI128   [320-4045]   6 
 
 CD ROM/DVD ROM: 8X DVD+/-RW Drive   8XDVDRW   [313-2930][430-1050]   16 
 
 Hard Drive: 80GB Hard Drive   80GB   [341-1603]   8 
 
 Primary Battery: 80 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery   9BAT   [312-0283]   27 
  
 Document Management: Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0   ADOBER   [430-1048]   15
  
 Dial-Up Internet Access: 6 Months of America Online Membership Included   AOLDHS   [412-0585][412-0625][420-3224][412-0687]   37 
 
 Wireless Networking Cards: Intel® PRO/Wireless 2100 Internal Wireless (802.11b, 11Mbps)   IP2100   [430-0995]   19 
  
 Productivity Software: Productivity Pack including WordPerfect®   ICORELM   [412-0556][412-0714]   22 
 
 Security Software: No Security Subscription   NS   [412-0735]   25 
 
 Digital Music: Dell Jukebox - easy-to-use music player and CD burning software   MMBASE   [412-0691]   26 
 
 Dell Media Experience: Dell™ Media Experience   DMX   [412-0706]   115 
  
 Digital Imaging or Digital Photography: Paint Shop™ Pro® Trial plus Photo Album™ Starter Edition   DPS   [412-0521]   38 
  
 Personal Finance Software: Microsoft® Money 2004 Standard   MNY   [412-0552]   83 
 
How to Contact Dell

I also noticed that you up-sold to the larger battery and to XP Pro instead of XP Home. You also included a second battery, a deluxe carrying case, and a 3 year on-site warranty and damage insurance.

Note that my quote is from the Dell "Home and HoOf Store", not from one of the Dell "Business" stores. The base features and options are different in the different stores. Your quote is apparently from one of the business stores (although I think that you made a mistake - I can only get your price by selecting the DVD-ROM instead of the DVD-+R/RW).
 
AidenShaw said:
I also noticed that you up-sold to the larger battery and to XP Pro instead of XP Home. You also included a second battery, a deluxe carrying case, and a 3 year on-site warranty and damage insurance.

I did up the battery and move it to XP Pro. The former is arguable, but the latter is essential if you at all want to compare to OS X in terms of stability and security model. I did nothing with warranties or insurance, so you can forget that.

Also, my price was gotten from clicking "Star Shopping Laptops" on the Dell "Home and HoOF Store." Repeating the experiment, including removing their loss-leading "refunds":

Dell.com > H&HoO > Notebooks > Start Shopping Notebooks

Inspiron 9200

The exact same as I did before, minus the upped battery:
Pentium M 1.6ghz
17" XGA screen
512MB RAM
128MB Radeon 9700 Mobile
8x DVD+/-RW
80GB 5400RPM
53Whr battery
Software packages (Acrobat Elements for PDF, burning, security, XP Pro, etc.)
Cost $2,567 (as of 9:37 AM 10/27/04)
 
First of all...
[procrastinate]MacRumors Forums: The best way to procrastinate on your Mac.

~Shard~ said:
As I stated above, I was only being half-serious in my comment - for people who are used to burning media in a matter of minutes, 45 minutes is definitely a long period of time to wait. Of course, I remember when I purchased my first 2x CD-R drive, (back when blank CD-Rs were $5 each!), and I didn't seem to mind waiting half an hour for a 650 MB disc to be burned... ;)

And probably sat watching the progress bar for at least half of the burn job, eh?

~Shard~ said:
For a second there I thought you said you were "sick of reading all of our posts" - which would have probably made sense as well... ;) :cool:

Funny. I didn't catch it until reading your post.[/procrastinate]

Now...where the hell was I in that take-home exam?

Squire
 
thatwendigo said:
I did up the battery and move it to XP Pro. The former is arguable, but the latter is essential if you at all want to compare to OS X in terms of stability and security model. I did nothing with warranties or insurance, so you can forget that.

Also, my price was gotten from clicking "Star Shopping Laptops" on the Dell "Home and HoOF Store." Repeating the experiment, including removing their loss-leading "refunds":

Dell.com > H&HoO > Notebooks > Start Shopping Notebooks

Inspiron 9200

The exact same as I did before, minus the upped battery:
Pentium M 1.6ghz
17" XGA screen
512MB RAM
128MB Radeon 9700 Mobile
8x DVD+/-RW
80GB 5400RPM
53Whr battery
Software packages (Acrobat Elements for PDF, burning, security, XP Pro, etc.)
Cost $2,567 (as of 9:37 AM 10/27/04)

Hmmm, from the same page I get $1762 (what all is in the "etc" that you're adding?) And I *do* take the discount - wouldn't you? (Do you tell Uncle Sam to keep your tax refund?)

I'm curious - if you have the time go to "Print Summary" on the store page, and cut-n-paste the config text into a "code" tag. I'd like to compare what you're doing to what I had a couple of posts back...
_____________________


Anyway, a key point here is choice....

Apple give you one loaded config with a couple of options and a fairly steep price tag.

Dell give you a menu to choose what you need.

Want the fastest CPU, but don't want DVD burner and a big disk - tick the box for the 2.0 GHz (and add only $255).

Want a big disk and burner, but CPU is OK - tick the 100 GB box (add $169) and DVD ($169), but save money on the CPU.

Want the high resolution 1920x1200 screen, tick the box ($85) - or leave it blank and get the low resolution screen that matches what's in the PowerBook.

Don't need the network features of XP Pro, save $69 by choosing XP Home. (And I fail to see how you can justify Pro on the basis of stability - they're essentially the same code running on the same hardware with the same drivers. You'd want Pro for running on business networks, but most small home networks wouldn't need it.)
________________


Maybe when you cram both notebooks with options and software to reach some level of "equivalence" the price difference is small or non-existent - but Dell doesn't force you to take things that you might not want just to get the pieces that you do.

That's the big difference....
 
So whats next?

I am itching to ditch my iBook G3 for a powerbook. Do any of you think its possible for a significant update (G4 Dual core or G5) by January?
 
jderman said:
I am itching to ditch my iBook G3 for a powerbook. Do any of you think its possible for a significant update (G4 Dual core or G5) by January?

In a word, no.

In a few more words, Apple has stated that there will be no PowerBooks revs until 2005. Even if they announce a new PowerBook before MWSF, a) it won't ship for months afterwards, and b) it probably won't be that major of a update, as a dual core or G5 revision will require a lot more time to implement.

If anything, Apple might announce something at MWSF, but again, due to shipping dates, people wouldn't have them in their hands for months afterwards. My guess is people will not have a significantly updated PowerBook in their hands until summer 2005, if they're waiting for dual core G4 or G5.
 
~Shard~ said:
In a word, no.

In a few more words, Apple has stated that there will be no PowerBooks revs until 2005. Even if they announce a new PowerBook before MWSF, a) it won't ship for months afterwards, and b) it probably won't be that major of a update, as a dual core or G5 revision will require a lot more time to implement.

If anything, Apple might announce something at MWSF, but again, due to shipping dates, people wouldn't have them in their hands for months afterwards. My guess is people will not have a significantly updated PowerBook in their hands until summer 2005, if they're waiting for dual core G4 or G5.

......that would make the interval between the last update at least 15 months :eek:
 
MacSA said:
......that would make the interval between the last update at least 15 months :eek:
They could improve the Powerbooks without updating the processor - new LCD screens, more RAM and better graphics cards?
 
MacSA said:
......that would make the interval between the last update at least 15 months :eek:

Please note my reply was in response to jderman's questions about significant updates to PBs in the near future, which is why I replied the way I did. Of course Apple will release an update before next summer, but as you said yourself, it may just be in the form of other, minor changes. Could there be a new PowerBook early next year? Yes. But if jderman is waiting for a significant upgrade as he indicated and inquired about, then he'll be waiting a lot longer. :cool:
 
My preference....

may I join in ladies & gentleman?

In addition, thanks to the PCI Express bus that we've added to the PowerBooks, we're now loading them with modular graphics, starting at the nVidia 6600 Mobile and going up.


How can graphics ever become modular in a laptop when the LCD's increased screen resolution is a virtual state as physical pixels are fixed?? I don't get how increasing graphics chips yourself in a laptop will result in tangible screen display improvements; can anyone elaborate please? (BTW wasn't this was the current PC Card slot supposed to offer when it was on the draft board?)

Look, you obviously have no understanding of what 64-bit computing is, how it works, or what it means, if you think it at all affects the general operating system or applications. When the label "64-bit" is applied to computers, it's talking about memory addressing and integer length in math, and that's it. Using 64-bit math and memory pointers will slow down most applications, rather than speeding them up, because you're unnecessarily moving larger hunks of data around.


Now isn't the first instance of 64-bit computing in Unix servers running scientific apps & databases (web-servers archiving lots of information along with a user database)? If I'm correct isn't 64-bit computing not only do what you mentioned above but if the OS along with the chip help actually make computing improvements for searches if the OS categorizes information like a database; something like Apple (Paul Schiffer) displayed at the last Macworld? That whole indexing system was great; but I can't help thinking if a webserver that stores numerous millions of dynamic pages with multiple users updating those pages; could be searched with info such as contact information for each and every user, and each and every city location for each and every topic......hmmm? Do you cache what I mean by this? Would this kind of 64-bit OS/Computer chip work in Tiger Server?

PowerBook would be cooler when you're not doing anything with it or just surfing the web, but the moment you do something processor-intensive, it goes nova. A single 970FX core running at speeds Apple has used is, at its coolest peak heat, approximately 30 watts (around 1.6ghz) and you face new issues with going dual-core. Surface area becomes very important, since you have to pull heat off a smaller space, and that means you'll have twice as much heat in the same amount of space. Without some kind of design miracle, a 970MP will be hotter than a single core and claiming that it's going in the PowerBook is just ridiculous.


Now this last bit has my mouth watering for the updates of the PowerBook.
Sure I too want SATA drives, and modular memory (if I can truely see tangible results once done), and faster more efficient cpus'; but I want a new internal chassis and shell design. Physics in check and without a 'design miracle' I think Apple should stop using metal (unless something that dissapates heat better than), and go for something more efficient in surface area like ceramic. If you have a seriously hot bath and climb out onto your ceramic floor - its still somewhat cool ON IMPACT! Heck the NASA Shuttle used it or some form of it on the under-belly of the craft. Now ceramic is still too brittle, but there must be something as strong tensile wise as Aluminum; cost moderately the same (I'm sure all of us wouldn't mind paying even $500 more for all PowerBook range if we can burn a DVD at 8x, play iTunes an running something intense like iMotion editing off the HDD without burning a new one in our laps!), while offering a cooler exterior (smooth to the touch) thats pleasing to the eye.

Maybe a whole new laptop concept is what we need. ;)
 
Prom1 said:
How can graphics ever become modular in a laptop when the LCD's increased screen resolution is a virtual state as physical pixels are fixed?? I don't get how increasing graphics chips yourself in a laptop will result in tangible screen display improvements; can anyone elaborate please? (BTW wasn't this was the current PC Card slot supposed to offer when it was on the draft board?)

I don't think you really understand what I was talking about, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're an ESL (English Second Language) poster.

So, with that in mind, let me try to explain this to you in a bit more simple terms, so that we'll be more likely to reach some kind of common point. When I speak of modular graphics, you wouldn't be gaining in physical maximum resolution because the dot pitch of the actual LCD wouldn't change, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use faster GPU cores. For example, I have a CRT on my desk in the other room that's now hooked up to a dual 1.8 G5 with a 9600XT. It used to be hooked up to a single 1.4 G4 with a GeForce 3, and now it's very, very much faster and better at redrawing the screeen even though the physical monitor I use hasn't changed.

If the PowerBook were to incorporate something similar to what Alienware is doing with the modular PCI graphics cards in laptops, you could speed up your performance without buying a new machine. If you think your graphics are too slow, you'd buy a new card and remove the old one from the machine so that you could slot in the replacement. It's just like what you do with upgrading a desktop machine, only it's starting to be possible in portables.

Does that make it clearer?

Now isn't the first instance of 64-bit computing in Unix servers running scientific apps & databases (web-servers archiving lots of information along with a user database)?

For the most part, 64-bit computing is really only beneficial to the scientific and engineering community. They use enough specialized, high-end systems and math that the investment is worth it in terms of memory (using more than 4GB per process) and the overhead for using larger pointers. Also, since they're likely to use integers that are 64 bits, it saves them and makes things more efficient because they're not carrying out two 32-bit operations in the place of one 64-bit.

This is unlikely to be true in the consumer space for some time, but the bitness of processors is being used as a way to push the update cycle while the gigahertz race flattens out.

If I'm correct isn't 64-bit computing not only do what you mentioned above but if the OS along with the chip help actually make computing improvements for searches if the OS categorizes information like a database; something like Apple (Paul Schiffer) displayed at the last Macworld? That whole indexing system was great; but I can't help thinking if a webserver that stores numerous millions of dynamic pages with multiple users updating those pages; could be searched with info such as contact information for each and every user, and each and every city location for each and every topic......hmmm? Do you cache what I mean by this? Would this kind of 64-bit OS/Computer chip work in Tiger Server?

I could be mistaken about the implementation in Tiger, but database-driven file systems have been done long before 64-bit addressing was really an issue. The reason that Spotlight works the way it does is thanks to a database and the journaled file system, which work together to have fast pointers to the location of multiple kinds of data. Instead of searching the entire hard drive, it merely scans the table.

Thus, it has nothing to do with the chip or the OS, per se.

Sure I too want SATA drives, and modular memory (if I can truely see tangible results once done), and faster more efficient cpus'; but I want a new internal chassis and shell design.

The shell is the least of Apple's worries, in this case. Everything you just dismissed as secondary is the primary concern when designed a professional system - processor, storage, and I/O. Especially in the case of a laptop, you need something power efficient, since power efficiency leads to heat efficiency, which in turn leads to a lessened need for cooling. This is one reason that Apple has stuck with the G4 for so long, and why Intel moved to the Pentium-M for their high-end portables.

A fast, efficient 32-bit processor will be better for a portable than a 64-bit one that's far hotter at lower clocks. It's that simple, unless there's something really bizarre done with the design.
 
Minor Upgrade, when and what?

~Shard~ said:
... Of course Apple will release an update before next summer, but as you said yourself, it may just be in the form of other, minor changes...

Any speculation of when the upgrade will occur, and what the upgrades will be?

What I'd like to see ... the power of the current 17" PB in the 12" (or new wide screen) form factor. i.e. 1.5GHz G4, Radeon 9700, expandable to 2G bytes memory and so on, with battery life equal or better than the current 12". Basically I want a very portable PB that is also powerful enough to be my only computer, for video editing, imaging manipulation, and software development. I plan to get a 20" cinema display with it and therefore do not need a big screen PB.

Am I dreaming? :rolleyes:
 
Chung Tech said:
Any speculation of when the upgrade will occur, and what the upgrades will be?

What I'd like to see ... the power of the current 17" PB in the 12" (or new wide screen) form factor. i.e. 1.5GHz G4, Radeon 9700, expandable to 2G bytes memory and so on, with battery life equal or better than the current 12". Basically I want a very portable PB that is also powerful enough to be my only computer, for video editing, imaging manipulation, and software development. I plan to get a 20" cinema display with it and therefore do not need a big screen PB.

Am I dreaming? :rolleyes:

I don't know if all of what you have requested will happen, but it's definitely not improbable. The only issue with making the 12" on the same level of the 17" is then, what do you do to the 17"? ;) But yes, a better video card, more RAM, better battery life, marginal speed bump - all are realistic. As for when, perhaps 4 letters could answer that questions - MWSF.

I don't know though, of course - your guess is as good as mine. :cool:
 
i hope they don't update the pbs just yet...

man, i just bought my pb a few months ago. i have very little will power when it comes to apple products and may have to buy the latest upgrade!:p
 
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