No rumors of imminent update?

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  1. asiga macrumors 6502

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    I need a new machine for scientific research with GPGPU and multi-CPUs. The Mac Pro would be a great choice, but only if it was current. Investing in a 2-year old machine isn't an option for me. I can wait some weeks, perhaps a month, but not more. Are there any rumors of imminent update?

    If negative, I'll take the painful choice of going Linux. Very sad, but only option I'm afraid.
     
  2. DearthnVader macrumors regular

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    I think the next MacPro will be based on the Broadwell-EP, rumor has it for release in the first quarter of 2016.

    http://www.itworld.com/article/2985214/hardware/intels-xeon-roadmap-for-2016-leaks.html

    The question is, will Apple update the MacPro line before WWDC on June 6th?
     
  3. MacUser2525 macrumors 68000

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    May as well go Linux, even with an announcement today it would not ship for months.
     
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    http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/

    Somewhat promising is that references to a new Mac Pro were found in El Cap. possible references to a new Mac Pro
     
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  6. goMac macrumors 603

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    Keep in mind, there are usually never any solid rumors of a new Mac Pro right before it's release.
     
  7. AidenShaw, Jan 16, 2016
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    At this point, going with Linux is the obvious choice. And you'll have far fewer support headaches for the tools on a major Linux distro than on Apple OSX.

    I have a couple of Ubuntu systems with three Titan-X cards (going to four shortly). A handful with three GTX980 cards (maybe going to four). A half-dozen systems with dual GTX980Ti cards - and more on order. (Dual E5-2697 v3 CPUs (14 core) and 512 GiB RAM with dual GTX980Ti cards is hitting a sweet spot for our workflow.)

    The only scary part is feeding systems with 3200 watt to 2800 watt power supplies - fortunately I have tons of 208 volt 30 amp power taps. (And not just theoretical peak - one system's power logs recently showed it averaging at over 1.1 kW for the last three days.)

    BTW - is there much in the way of OpenCL based science libraries around? Most that I've seen are CUDA.
     
  8. richmlow macrumors regular

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    I'm in a very similar situation as you're in!

    I've been waiting (it seems like forever) for an update to the 2103 Mac Pro. I need a rock-solid platform (Xeon CPU, dedicated GPU, plenty of RAM) which will last for 6+ years. In addition to general computing use (Internet browsing, web-design, consumption of media, typesetting and the playing of games), it will be mainly used for scientific computing (custom-designed programs in Mathematica, Python and Java).

    Hurry up, Apple!! =)


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  9. glynster, Jan 16, 2016
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    IMHO Apple is now run by the grey faced men in grey suits - AKA the accountants. Judging by the track record of the other models, I expect a 2016 model to be smaller hard-drives, less ports and another price hike. The 5,1 Mac Pro is a fantastic machine because it can be upgraded, tailored, modded and personalised - that's outside of the M.O. of Apple these days who want to constrain their users more and more within their own hardware camp. Putting a 250gb in a 2015 $3K macbook pro which runs slower than a 2013 macbook pro with the defence that "no hard disk is ever enough - use a port" and THEN hiking the price for this downgrade is more where apple is heading. I honestly dont think Apple take the Mac Pro seriously anymore, they probably sell more gold iphones in 1 day than all the Mac Pros they will sell in a year. I expect the daily meetings on the Mac team are titled "what else can we solder onto the MOBO?" and "Think of the max you would ever consider paying for this and then double it" or "how else can we repackage the ipad to sell it as a laptop? - what if we gold anodize it?

    If I sound p*ssed it's because I am - I'm buying old machines these days after years of buying new ones simply because each new Mac is feeling more and more like an iPhone - which is in my opinion Apple's weakest product by far anyway.
     
  10. richmlow macrumors regular

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    Yes, I feel that you are quite correct!


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  11. ZombiePhysicist, Jan 16, 2016
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    http://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/15/apple-5k-thunderbolt-display/

    This may apply to more than the monitor. Which makes it all the more baffling why they didnt do an interim update when things like this are readily possible:

     
  12. flat five macrumors 601

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    i'm not making the connection between this overdue 7,1(?) update and it being an accountant's decision to delay.

    from an accountant's perspective, can you run me through the logic they're using when delaying the release this long?
     
  13. goMac macrumors 603

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    Heh. The new Mac Pro wasn't the decision of a bunch of accountants or designers. But I don't know if that would make people more or less angry.
     
  14. cerberusss macrumors 6502a

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    Since you obviously have the budget for a nice Mac Pro, I'd say get both a fat Linux box PLUS a Mac.

    Stick the Linux box somewhere in a closet where it can quietly run 24/7, and get a Mac to access it via SSH/VNC.
     
  15. asiga thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The budget is tight, but yes, I can arrive to Mac Pro pricing, perhaps a bit higher than the low end entry model, but not much higher. However, although I work (for compiling code) on several OSs daily, I do it through virtual machines and shared folders, because one of the things I've learnt with time is that simplicity tends to save the day. I'm more productive having one machine with many VMs on it, rather than maintaining several boxes.

    So, I'll go either Mac Pro or Linux. I prefer the former because of OS X and because of quiet operation. But I admit the Linux box has one advantage: being able to plug gfx boards of different vendors (which would be a plus for me).

    Btw, can you plug a headless GPGPU board on the Mac Pro via Thunderbolt? It would be good for me to have the internal AMD GPUs plus an external NVIDIA for only GPGPU... this way I could work with CUDA as well as with OpenCL.

    Anyway, none of this will make sense if Apple doesn't update the Mac Pro sometime in the following weeks, because I need to purchase this machine quite soon.
     
  16. MacUser2525 macrumors 68000

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    Earliest announcement would be June with the usual delay for shipping after that, Linux box it is for you. Apple don't really care they abandoned the Pro user years ago they are now a high priced consumer gadget company instead of the computer company they used to be.
     
  17. cerberusss, Jan 17, 2016
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    OS X doesn't yet support external GPUs over thunderbolt, AFAIK.

    Another solution would be to rent a nMP for a couple of months, and see if the new one comes out. Then again with the rental prices, you may as well buy one and sell it when it does come.
     
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  19. Stacc macrumors 6502a

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    If your time frame is weeks, don't expect an updated mac pro in that span. Updated CPUs from Intel and graphics cards from AMD may coincide for a June announcement of a mac pro at WWDC. I doubt we would see it sooner than that.

    We have a whole thread dedicated to this but it may be hard to get concrete information out of it. I wrote up a summary a few weeks ago that I feel does a good job outlining what technologies apple may be waiting for before releasing a new mac pro.
     
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    Last time I checked, the 2013 mac pro has a xeon CPU, up to 128GB of ram, and 2 dedicated GPU's.
     
  22. lowendlinux, Jan 18, 2016
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    Ubuntu???

    Why did you choose Ubuntu over CENTOS/RHEL or OpenSUSE/SLE
     
  23. richmlow macrumors regular

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    Yes, the 2013 Mac Pro has these. However, they are 2-year old technology!!

    I'm waiting for an update on all of these.


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  24. AidenShaw macrumors P6

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    The PhDs who are using the systems prefer Ubuntu, probably because it's more OSX-like. (Also Ubuntu, even LTS, usually gets new kernel stuff faster than CentOS/RHEL.)

    I use CentOS or RHEL if I get to decide....
     
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    If it's what they want then so be it.

    CENTOS just feels like a tested, complete system, where as Ubuntu feels like it stops at 95% it's just always got these little annoyances
     

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