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Nokia Expands Patent Claims Against Apple With New European Lawsuits

I am going to believe Apple is in the wrong. Apple has shown it is very arrogent and will pull crap like this hoping to get away with it. Apple has a history of not giving a damn who they step on. At some point they are going to eat it big time and looks like with Nokia they will be.
 
shartypants said:
Poor Nokia licking its wounds as the smartphone industry grows and it can't keep up. Instead of suing, put out better phones.
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Agree. Nokia totally missed the boat on the smartphone growth. Handspring started it all with the Treo being the first real mass market smartphone. Also, the idea of third party apps on a phone met with a lot of resistance on the in house development Nokia has been doing since they started.
 
angrylawyer said:
I don't understand this one. If taken at face value that basically means no touch screen navigation for ANY phone. .. snip..
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You can't take a vague phrase and spin it into some major patent.

Until we know the details, we can't intelligently discuss it.

CFreymarc said:
Said many times, "Those who can't innovate, litigate."
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LagunaSol said:
The desperation deepens.
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So what's your explanation of Apple suing HTC out of the blue a few months ago?
 
Doctor Q said:
I don't know whether or not Apple infringed on these Nokia patents, but I have a hypothetical question: Just considering the costs, ignoring any issue of principles, is it a reasonable business strategy to knowingly violate patents that might apply to a product you are developing, to avoid up-front licensing costs while risking the cost of legal action and settlements later?
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absolutely, it's a valid strategy.

They can keep trying delay and delay things for years, until the company is in dire financial troubles (or so far behind) and will settle on Apple's terms. Many companies do this (MS, Intel, etc) ... Business is ruthless and companies will do whatever makes the most business and financial sense.

The opposite applies too, when in doubt, sue the heck out of your competitor, just in case. It's just business.


P.
 
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Steve Jobs: "And Boy Have We Patented It"

iDiots: Hurray!

Nokia spends billions in R&D, patents it and defends the patents against someone trying to steal Nokia's IPR

iDiots: Booooooo!
 
Don't lose touch

kdarling said:
You can't take a vague phrase and spin it into some major patent.

Until we know the details, we can't intelligently discuss it.




So what's your explanation of Apple suing HTC out of the blue a few months ago?
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HTC clearly has infringed on Apples right to their Intellectual Property, it's more of a case of HTC grabing for thin air to save it's skin. Remember how Palm tried this same no progressive attitude towards Apple, and look where they ended up.

Rodimus Prime said:
I am going to believe Apple is in the wrong. Apple has shown it is very arrogent and will pull crap like this hoping to get away with it. Apple has a history of not giving a damn who they step on. At some point they are going to eat it big time and looks like with Nokia they will be.
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Whoa whoa whoa, stop right their. You have your thinking totally skewed. Nokia clearly is seeking out last alternatives to eliminate Apples growth in the market. Nokia has no viable or clear strategy for it's consumers to enjoy the best possible experience on a phone. So they attack the company that is doing what all phone makers should have been doing.

Nokia has clearly lost touch with what matters most, and that's consumers. Apple on the other hand is a small but resourceful company in comparison to Nokia. Apple cares more about protecting it's Intellectual Property cause Apple fought hard to gain rights to it. Nokia is relying on Europe to save them from Apples crunch into their market share, but Europeans are finally waking up and realizing that Apple is here to liberate them for the tyrants at Nokia.

Apple needs to protect itself and rightly so it should. What has Apple done wrong? They're just a company trying to make insanely great products.

Bruce
 
LagunaSol said:
With all the ridiculous patents out there (see the Paul Allen lawsuit for example), I think it's near-impossible to create any product or service these days without violating somebody's patent. Sadly patent litigation is just part of the cost of doing business these days. It's a real economy killer - funneling money to attorneys when it could be going to product development. The patent system is in serious need of an overhaul.

Notice many of these lawsuits don't happen until a company is in real trouble (Nokia). A last-gasp effort at relevance and/or much-needed cash.
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nokia.......... so 1990
 
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Bottom line is, if apple loses, the only ones who really suffer is the consumer. Regardless of what people like rod seem to believe, Apple is one of the most important companies on earth. I know I sound like a fanboy, but it's true. I am sending this on a device that revolutionized cell phones.
I own a computer whose predecessors brought GUI-based computers to the consumer and set the standard for GUIs of the future.
I have an MP3 player which blew away the competition and is most likely the sole reason apple exists today.
All of this is thanks to one company, led by one man, and operated by some of the best minds on earth.
Say what you want about Apple, but never forget all they've done for us. There is a reason people defend apple as much as they do, and it's all around you.
 
iDisk said:
HTC clearly has infringed on Apples right to their Intellectual Property, it's more of a case of HTC grabing for thin air to save it's skin. Remember how Palm tried this same no progressive attitude towards Apple, and look where they ended up.



Whoa whoa whoa, stop right their. You have your thinking totally skewed. Nokia clearly is seeking out last alternatives to eliminate Apples growth in the market. Nokia has no viable or clear strategy for it's consumers to enjoy the best possible experience on a phone. So they attack the company that is doing what all phone makers should have been doing.

Nokia has clearly lost touch with what matters most, and that's consumers. Apple on the other hand is a small but resourceful company in comparison to Nokia. Apple cares more about protecting it's Intellectual Property cause Apple fought hard to gain rights to it. Nokia is relying on Europe to save them from Apples crunch into their market share, but Europeans are finally waking up and realizing that Apple is here to liberate them for the tyrants at Nokia.

Apple needs to protect itself and rightly so it should. What has Apple done wrong? They're just a company trying to make insanely great products.

Bruce
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Wow. I see you're making a play for MacRumors biggest fan boy. I don't see LTD taking that lying down. ;)
 
I haven't been able to locate the specific Nokia patent yet, but Apple applied for a patent on "swipe to scroll through a list of items" in 2005 and it was granted this year. Look up patent number 7,786,975 at http://uspto.gov

From Nokia, I did find the following...

7,814,419 covers changing the screen orientation based on a swipe.

7,728,818 covers an action created by swiping a line between two elements.

7,692,637 covers moving a cursor on a touch screen.

7,623,119 is almost impossible to decipher. Seems to cover having part of a touch screen active (links, buttons, etc.) while rest is not.

7,554,530 is a possibility - touch screen user interface featuring stroke-based object selection and functional object activation.

7,265,748 is really strange as it seeems to cover an optical touch pad. HP used to put these on some of their terminals in the 1980's - there was a row of LEDs and senors along the sides of the screen. Old tech that no one uses anymore, but the patent was filed in 2003.

6,943,778 was filed in 2000, but seems to be an attempt to patent the basic concept of a touch screen: "An object of the present invention is to provide a touch screen technique for an electronic device, for example, which allows such electronic device to have a reasonably large display screen in a compact configuration. The keypad of the device or substantial portions of the keypad of the device are deleted and their functions implemented by the touch screen display screen, thereby allowing more space to be utilized for the display screen."
 
maflynn said:
On the other hand, every other mobile company pays the fees for using the patented materials in their products. Apple chose to ignore that and now they're on the hook.

This isn't someone patent troll, but a major celluar company that holds a lot of patents.

The bottom line is that they either knowingly infringed on Nokia's patents or they didn't. Its not some obscure patent, but the patents surrounding GSM.

Last time I looked they're still dominating in europe
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apparently Apple wasn't given the choice to pay the same fee's as the other mobile companies, Nokia wanted the fee plus access to Apples patents and got told to F off.

As for dominating europe, thats probably in units. I'll be the first to admit I've never had a Nokia fail on me so they probably have a lot of existing users also they huge selection of models at all price ranges. I only use iPhones and recommend it to friends, but I still bought my mum a $50 nokia cause she isn't tech savy ;)
 
CFreymarc said:
Said many times, "Those who can't innovate, litigate."
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No doubt... I'm curious, How much does it cost to file for a patent and do patent searches? I come up with ideas all the time that I'm sure I could patent myself and then get compensation in the future.

I wonder if anyone has patented vocal communication to a cell phone to change a TV channel?
 
Sour Grapes

Have lost all respect for Nokia. Would NEVER reward these whiney Europeans with one penny of my hard earned dollars.

Apple is making dinosaurs out of a lot of former industry giants....
 
This is nothign more than Tid for tad - Apple expanded the lawsuit in the UK month or two ago against Nokia.. and Nokia are responding.

LagunaSol said:
People have been wiping to navigate content since pen first touched paper. Books & magazines anyone? Prior art up the wazoo. What a ludicrous patent.
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Apple have filed plenty of ludicrous patents too, as do all companies.

I saw an article today, that Patents offer no protection to smaller companies.. wish I could find the link.

Patent system needs an overhaul.

Wish these patents fights will resolve themsevles....

rdowns said:
Wow. I see you're making a play for MacRumors biggest fan boy. I don't see LTD taking that lying down. ;)
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I wouldn't be surprised if LTD is role playing ( and iDsk too ) :D
 
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rdowns said:
Wow. I see you're making a play for MacRumors biggest fan boy. I don't see LTD taking that lying down. ;)
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Usually I find it very rude and irritating to call someone a fan boy, and believe me, I have been called one many times myself (and rarely have I spoken against Apple, being that I really am a big fan of the computer, and Steve Jobs, and their business strategy, etc).

However, I do believe you are correct in identifying iDisk and LTD as the stereotypical "fanboy", even though I would continue to encourage you and everyone else to not use that term as a knee-jerk response (not saying you are here, just wanting to take the opportunity for a soap-box against it). There are few, if any, who could compete with them for that title.

jW
 
maflynn said:
The bottom line is that they either knowingly infringed on Nokia's patents or they didn't. Its not some obscure patent, but the patents surrounding GSM.
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But Apple doesn't create any of the GSM chips, they buy them from people like Broadcom or Marvell. In terms of money it is Apple > Broadcom > Marvell. So which one makes sense to go after? The one with the deeper pockets.

I have seen this time and time again with these types of lawsuit. Someone buys a chip and uses it in their products. They are then sued for infringement when they didn't design it, the chip company did. They will likely get sued as well, but why is the company using that chip being sued, they didn't infringe on the patents.
 
nad8e said:
No doubt... I'm curious, How much does it cost to file for a patent and do patent searches? I come up with ideas all the time that I'm sure I could patent myself and then get compensation in the future.
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Not that much in general. You can get a conditional patent for about $100. All that does is give you the right to file the patent in the future (you have a year). A full patent, if done by yourself costs, typically, around $1000. More involved patents cost more and often require a patent lawyer to review them.

I have several myself. One of which was a big lawsuit a few years ago (My name is on the patent, but it is owned by my employer at the time). But after I heard what they were claiming it was for; my jaw hit the ground. I ended up fighting AGAINST my own patent because it was completely outside of the scope of the patent that they were suing for. I didn't say my patent was invalid, I think it was, but not what they were claiming that's for damn sure! :D
 
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Hey Nokia, how about spending some of that money to make phones that don't suck ass? Might be a better investment.
 
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