I have to agree. If it were a company like NTP that just owns patents with no intention of developing projects (ie contributing NOTHING) then I would be on Apple's side (just as I was on RIM's side when NTP sued RIM for patent infringement).
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Nokia Files iPhone-Related Suit Against Apple Regarding Wireless Patents
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I have to agree. If it were a company like NTP that just owns patents with no intention of developing projects (ie contributing NOTHING) then I would be on Apple's side (just as I was on RIM's side when NTP sued RIM for patent infringement).
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Pathetic!
So Apple beats Nokia in terms of high-end device (N97) sales and with Nokia looking at their "half-full" cup ... they try to sue Apple?
Didn't Nokia already infrindge upon patents by Qualcomm and that Broadcom chips they used (not in ALL devices over the past 5yrs) where in the clear? Just 4mths ago they solved their lawsuit with Qualcomm for patent infringement??
I'm not sure Nokia has a valid claim here.
So Apple beats Nokia in terms of high-end device (N97) sales and with Nokia looking at their "half-full" cup ... they try to sue Apple?
Didn't Nokia already infrindge upon patents by Qualcomm and that Broadcom chips they used (not in ALL devices over the past 5yrs) where in the clear? Just 4mths ago they solved their lawsuit with Qualcomm for patent infringement??
I'm not sure Nokia has a valid claim here.
One Size Does Not Fit All
Too general of a statement. I love my iPhone - But many people have no use (and no desire) for a phone that has a camera, built in iPod, WiFi, email, or an internet browser.
I know this is hard for hardcore fanboys to understand, but some people just need a phone - period. Other people just need a phone and email for which a blackberry (an old style one) is perfect... Some sites I visit, I can't even take my iPhone on site because of the built in camera (which is strange because it's really next to useless compared to other high quality cameras in phones today)....
I love my Macs and my iPhones - but I'm not so blinded by Jobs' RDF to believe the "changed everything" nonsense. It's a good device for me and for you - but it (and the Mac) may not be for the next guy......
Grow up - your blind devotion to Apple make Mac (and iPhone) users look silly in the big scheme of things... Different strokes for different folks.
Too general of a statement. I love my iPhone - But many people have no use (and no desire) for a phone that has a camera, built in iPod, WiFi, email, or an internet browser.
I know this is hard for hardcore fanboys to understand, but some people just need a phone - period. Other people just need a phone and email for which a blackberry (an old style one) is perfect... Some sites I visit, I can't even take my iPhone on site because of the built in camera (which is strange because it's really next to useless compared to other high quality cameras in phones today)....
I love my Macs and my iPhones - but I'm not so blinded by Jobs' RDF to believe the "changed everything" nonsense. It's a good device for me and for you - but it (and the Mac) may not be for the next guy......
Grow up - your blind devotion to Apple make Mac (and iPhone) users look silly in the big scheme of things... Different strokes for different folks.
Apple hasn't posted a loss as a result of Psystar, so it's hardly about the money. It's more likely about "protecting the brand".
So, basically, you admit to posting completely off topic posts just to have your opinion heard? I think there is a term for that, I just can't... quite... remember it...
Get a clue
How long is it going to take before you realise that Apple doesn't have multitouch patented. Everything that is used in the iPhone existed long before Apple started using it, down to the pinch for zoom gesture.
How long is it going to take before you realise that Apple doesn't have multitouch patented. Everything that is used in the iPhone existed long before Apple started using it, down to the pinch for zoom gesture.
Honestly, if anyone thinks that they just noticed that their patents were being used you are naive and in the dark. Also, if you think it is because Nokia is afraid of apple, you are such an iPhone fanboy i'm surprised you even use windows and anything that has multi-tasking and should move back to DOS. I have discs of them if you want me to mail them off.
Nokia has probably been talking with Apple for the past few years about it, and when a settlement could not be reached this was most likely the only option. From what I've read they are looking for 1 - 2% royalties on all iPhones sold, roughtly 200million to 400 million dollars.
Nokia has probably been talking with Apple for the past few years about it, and when a settlement could not be reached this was most likely the only option. From what I've read they are looking for 1 - 2% royalties on all iPhones sold, roughtly 200million to 400 million dollars.
``"The basic principle in the mobile industry is that those companies who contribute in technology development to establish standards create intellectual property, which others then need to compensate for," said Ilkka Rahnasto, Vice President, Legal &
Intellectual Property at Nokia.''
Nokia is wrong. Contributing to an IEEE or ISO or ANSI or other standard does not establish standards for creating intellectual property.
They create standards for interoperability.
It's the implementation of the standard that if infringed upon can be taken to court, not the standard itself.
Currently:
PING www.nokia.com (147.243.3.83) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=290 ms
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=2 ttl=238 time=336 ms
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=287 ms
Nokia better improve it's site scalability.
Intellectual Property at Nokia.''
Nokia is wrong. Contributing to an IEEE or ISO or ANSI or other standard does not establish standards for creating intellectual property.
They create standards for interoperability.
It's the implementation of the standard that if infringed upon can be taken to court, not the standard itself.
Currently:
PING www.nokia.com (147.243.3.83) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=290 ms
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=2 ttl=238 time=336 ms
64 bytes from ncomprod.nokia.com (147.243.3.83): icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=287 ms
Nokia better improve it's site scalability.
Not if you're looking at market share and how many sales they're making.
Oh come, you're just being silly here.
Nokia do not have a market in the US. If we want a comparison of how well the iPhone is doing against Nokia's smartphones then we have to compare them against each other where they're actually going head to head on similar deals. That currently excludes the US for Nokia and China for Apple.
I'd also point out that the 60-70 countries the iPhone has been released in are the ones with the greatest economic buying power and the highest level of smartphone purchase (excluding China of course) which is actually why Apple target these markets. I'd also point out the trend I've referred to also applies to the 3G. Oh yeah and Nokia also mentioned supply issues so I guess the two cancel each other out.
And yes, most Chinese buy inexpensive phones but since we're talking about smartphones of which Nokia sells about 5 million a quarter in China it's not relevant to this thread.
Yeah. It's totally irrelevant to market share and what people are buying though and doesn't apply to smartphones where prices are pretty equivalent on subsidised deals.
Yes really. Apple have a patent on their methodology not the concept.
I think Nokia needs to visit some "HowStuffWorks" sites to try to make us understand how they can have a patent on stuff that is widely known how it works.
There is nothing special about what apple's phone does that justifies that they have to license anything from Nokia.
Apple's building of a cell phone that works with technology Nokia has patents on doesn't mean that Nokia is entitled to anything if they license the technology to a company that produces CHIPs that utilize these patented technology. Apple purchasing the CHIPs that use this technology should already include a "right to use" included with the purchase, otherwise, how could we buy lightbulbs from 8 different manufactures?
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question537.htm
There is nothing special about what apple's phone does that justifies that they have to license anything from Nokia.
Apple's building of a cell phone that works with technology Nokia has patents on doesn't mean that Nokia is entitled to anything if they license the technology to a company that produces CHIPs that utilize these patented technology. Apple purchasing the CHIPs that use this technology should already include a "right to use" included with the purchase, otherwise, how could we buy lightbulbs from 8 different manufactures?
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question537.htm
Every other GSM phone on the market licensed by Nokia in some shape or form. The same applies to CDMA, which is owned by Qualcomm. If you own a Verizon phone you will always see a Qualcomm licensing sticker on when it's new. If Apple did use the technology they should pay the royalties. This isn't one of those patent troll issues. It if wasn't for Nokia it's highly likely the iPhone would never exist. It's quite possible cell phones would have never got off the ground in the first place.
Hypocrites
Where was the outrage when Apple sued Woolworth, The Beatles, GreenNYC, Victoria School of Business and Technology, Adults Only, Poison Apple Over Logo Similarities. This is where I got the information http://www.pcworld.com/article/173131/apples_logo_lunacy_5_previous_trademark_tiffs.html
Where was the outrage when Apple sued Woolworth, The Beatles, GreenNYC, Victoria School of Business and Technology, Adults Only, Poison Apple Over Logo Similarities. This is where I got the information http://www.pcworld.com/article/173131/apples_logo_lunacy_5_previous_trademark_tiffs.html
History Lesson
And you don`t think Nokia OWNS a boatload of patents relating to cell phones ?
Nokia was one of the key developers of GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications),[47] the second-generation mobile technology which could carry data as well as voice traffic. NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephony), the world's first mobile telephony standard that enabled international roaming, provided valuable experience for Nokia for its close participation in developing GSM, which was adopted in 1987 as the new European standard for digital mobile technology.[48][49]
Nokia delivered its first GSM network to the Finnish operator Radiolinja in 1989.[50] The world's first commercial GSM call was made on July 1, 1991 in Helsinki, Finland over a Nokia-supplied network, by then Prime Minister of Finland Harri Holkeri, using a prototype Nokia GSM phone.[50] In 1992, the first GSM phone, the Nokia 1011, was launched.[50][51] The model number refers to its launch date, 10 November.[51] The Nokia 1011 did not yet employ Nokia's characteristic ringtone, the Nokia tune. It was introduced as a ringtone in 1994 with the Nokia 2100 series.[52]
GSM's high-quality voice calls, easy international roaming and support for new services like text messaging (SMS) laid the foundations for a worldwide boom in mobile phone use.[50] GSM came to dominate the world of mobile telephony in the 1990s, in mid-2008 accounting for about three billion mobile telephone subscribers in the world, with more than 700 mobile operators across 218 countries and territories. New connections are added at the rate of 15 per second, or 1.3 million per day
And you don`t think Nokia OWNS a boatload of patents relating to cell phones ?
Nokia was one of the key developers of GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications),[47] the second-generation mobile technology which could carry data as well as voice traffic. NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephony), the world's first mobile telephony standard that enabled international roaming, provided valuable experience for Nokia for its close participation in developing GSM, which was adopted in 1987 as the new European standard for digital mobile technology.[48][49]
Nokia delivered its first GSM network to the Finnish operator Radiolinja in 1989.[50] The world's first commercial GSM call was made on July 1, 1991 in Helsinki, Finland over a Nokia-supplied network, by then Prime Minister of Finland Harri Holkeri, using a prototype Nokia GSM phone.[50] In 1992, the first GSM phone, the Nokia 1011, was launched.[50][51] The model number refers to its launch date, 10 November.[51] The Nokia 1011 did not yet employ Nokia's characteristic ringtone, the Nokia tune. It was introduced as a ringtone in 1994 with the Nokia 2100 series.[52]
GSM's high-quality voice calls, easy international roaming and support for new services like text messaging (SMS) laid the foundations for a worldwide boom in mobile phone use.[50] GSM came to dominate the world of mobile telephony in the 1990s, in mid-2008 accounting for about three billion mobile telephone subscribers in the world, with more than 700 mobile operators across 218 countries and territories. New connections are added at the rate of 15 per second, or 1.3 million per day
Yep, really.
Despite the original hasty headlines, it turned out that patent was only about a method of deciding whether to scroll a certain direction or not.
OK. Fair enough, and what kind of valuable information are you trying to extract from that?
Sony Ericsson is “making more sales” than Apple is, but they are haemorrhaging money. Nokia makes money but has almost hundred different models, so one can not even imagine making any relevant comparisons of “platform” size.
What is the market share information good for, when the compared companies are totally different in focus?
Nokia phones are available in the US, Nokia is actually doing *a lot* of work trying to sell them there. There are even several US only models, both on market and coming.
Then in many countries Nokia phones are available from many if not all carriers, and they are available as unlocked. Apple sells at about double the price compared to Nokia Smartphones. So your premise of “similar deals” seems not to be fulfilled.
If compared, plain world wide sales (in money) or profit is probably the best measure of success.
Assuming those supply issues were of equal size is a far reach. Also the consequence of such supply issue can be much different. Nokia dealer has probably *some* Nokia phone to sell Apple dealer doesn’t.
I do not know where you are getting this. Nokia smartphone ASP is around 190 euros, iPhone ASP is around 400 euros. It is obvious that the deals you get for different kinds of phones are different.
And I still do not really get this constant talk about sales in units, how is it relevant? Apple is clearly not even trying to maximize sales in units, if they were they would have more models (different forms, different feature sets, different price points, sound familiar?), and sell them much cheaper in average and have a big range of prices.
Apple is going for profit and it is using the iPhone/iPod Touch software platform as a basis for that. As with computers, Apple’s goal is not to make most, but make “best” products, whatever that means to his Steveness.
Most of his posts are tangential platitudes and absolutes which are spurred by emotion and denial. Apple cannot do wrong in this guy's mind so he will try to move the goal posts as soon as possible. don't bother reasoning with him.
There are many rational enthusiasts on this site, but their voices are often drowned out by the vocal wackadoos who jump to Apple's defense regardless of their culpability.
You should email that to Nokia's lawyer team.
If they only read more HowStuffWorks instead of all those useless volumes of law...