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Those low life good for nothing folks at Nokia should be honest and admit when they make bad decisions just like all of those other companies out there... Oh wait... All companies try to redirect the blame for failure in any way possible.
Since you brought it up, as a matter of fact, no, not all companies blame others for their errors.

One example relevant to this thread: when Apple released its buggy Maps app and service, the public criticism was justifiably harsh. Eventually Tim Cook himself issued an apology. No finger pointing, buck passing, responsibility shirking, ownership denial. Heck, for a while, the App Store had a special section focused on alternatives to the native Apple Maps.

Here Nokia could have simply issued a statement saying that they had discontinued to app to concentrate their efforts on creating new and more valuable services to users. The finger pointing toward Apple is exceptionally ludicrous because the Nokia HERE app sucked while iOS 6 was the current release and Nokia never made a single attempt to improve the app while on iOS 6.

Nokia failed miserably in their initial attempt to provide an enjoyable map user experience (on iOS 6) and never made any effort afterward to improve their lackluster debut despite the fact that they are a major mobile telephone hardware manufacturer with ample engineering assets.

We are not talking about some teenage script kiddie slapping together an app in his mom's basement. We are talking about a corporation that generates 30 billion Euros in annual revenue. This is not amateur hour.

The people here have every right to denigrate Nokia's abysmal effort and their even more pathetic excuse. Nokia has no one but themselves to blame for their failure.

The people who should really be furious would be the Nokia shareholders. Why put in a wasted effort to do a pisspoor lackadaisical job?
 
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So Apple didn't adapt changes from that ideal way of building the antenna in subsequent phones or offer free bumpers to "solve" that non-problem?

And how I love 99% references in threads like this. So Apple gave only .55% of those iPhone users free bumpers? I guess the rest just adopted the proper, non "death grip" way of holding the iPhone.

Less than 1% of people with an iPhone 4 at the time took advantage of the free bumper offer. That simply indicates that the 'antenna-gate' "issue" was being seriously overblown. (And still is by some people, for unknown reasons.)

A 'problem' which nets people free stuff, where they don't even have to demonstrate that they're actually affected by said 'problem', and where less than 1% of them take advantage of the offer for free stuff doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
 
I just wish Apple would get rid of the terrible apps that haven't been updated for years/don't work....
EG just automatically get rid of apps that haven't been updated for 2 years or longer etc.

1. No one forces you to download them.

2. There are some real gems among them; for example, Orions or ooTunes. It'd be VERY silly of Apple to remove them.

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Less than 1% of people with an iPhone 4 at the time took advantage of the free bumper offer. That simply indicates that the 'antenna-gate' "issue" was being seriously overblown. (And still is by some people, for unknown reasons.)


Well, it being not available for non-US consumers has also tremendously contributed to this fact...
 
WOW! Jobs has been dead for a while but the RDF lives on and on...

http://www.eweek.com/mobile/google-maps-app-for-apple-ios-not-likely-to-get-apple-approval-report/

http://www.imore.com/google-workers-skeptical-about-maps-app-approval

http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/20/googl...approval-it-is-solely-up-to-apple-to-approve/

Do you need more? Many of us lived in that gap between Apple Maps taking over and waiting for Google Maps to return. Great that you blame that on Google but that's not how some of us saw it.

2 months later: http://mobile-web.me/google-to-launch-google-maps-for-ios/

3 months later: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/13/google-maps-a-big-win-for-apple-kind-of/

And even some of the Apple faithful waited: http://mashable.com/2012/12/19/ios-6-google-maps-adoption/



And I didn't say that. It was removed. It was ejected by Apple in favor of the Apple Maps app. We had to be without it to miss it. We had to be without to choose to stay with iOS 5 until it was available for iOS 6. It jumped to #1 because it was removed and then the hordes jumped on it as soon as it was available in iOS 6.

There's no disputing that it took quite some time for Google Maps to become available after Apple stopped using Google's Map API for their Maps app.

However, none of what you've posted actually indicates that Apple was *IN ANY WAY* responsible for any of that delay. Your top three links? Full of people *outside* of Apple making suppositions about Apple's response to Google attempting to put a Google-made Map app in the App Store.

Heck, from your 3rd link contains an Update (at the very top of the article) which indicates that Google had not yet done *anything* with a maps app for iOS.

Update (September 12th):Eric Schmidt went on record saying:“We haven’t done anything yet with Google Maps,” Schmidt told reporters in Tokyo today. Apple would “have to approve it. It’s their choice,” Schmidt said, declining to say if the Mountain View, California-based company submitted an application to Apple for sale through its App Store.

Also, there was no Google-made maps app to be 'ejected' from iOS before Apple released the iOS 6 Maps app (with iOS 6). In iOS 5 and earlier, the Maps app was an Apple-made app, which used the public Google Maps API. The license for using that API came with certain limitations which made adding certain features to the Maps app a no-go. All of this has been *WIDELY* documented.
 
I've found NAVTEQ map data to be the worst. I've been trying to get them to fix an issue (they have me living on the wrong street) for 4 years now. I've provided detailed information, alternate maps, photos and GPS coordinates, etc. they never do a damn thing about it. Sadly, NOKIA isn't the only one using this data.
 
I never understood Nokia's plan here in the first place. If you're not going to be the first to do something, you better be the best at it. They were neither first nor best.

I realize I'll get boo'd over this again, but I think Apple Maps is the best. It's so freaking fast/fluid and the 3D makes it so easy to navigate cities when you're on foot. It's what Google's street view should have been, but done right.

Fast and fluid doesn't make up bad data for people who are told to drive onto a runway.
 
Just to be clear:

Both sides dropped the ball.

Apple was tired of waiting for Google to upgrade the map ability before iOS6. It had no turn by turn driving direction, remember? While Android map held an advantage because of that.

After Apple released their own map, however bad it was, it at last got the capability, which in turn pushed the Google map update to include this function.

Now the Apple Map is not as bad as it was used to be perceived, and I noticed significant slowdown on Google Map app than before. So most of the time I default to Apple Map.

Neither is perfect, but both are better than "Here".

People have this idyllic memory of Google based Apple maps. They forget it did lack turn by turn and Google was completely dragging their feet for the android advantage.


Same with the youtube App. Remember all the teeth gnashing when it was nixed. Now the Google app here and WAY better.

Either way, all I use know is Apple maps. Google maps is pointless and not even on my phone at this stage.
 
Didn't the Google-based Maps also lack Street View? My memory is a bit hazy.

I had switched to Waze long before Apple Maps' debut for turn-by-turn navigation.
 
I enjoy using Here maps on my Lumia. Runs smoothly and has proper offline support when roaming abroad. Its also never got me lost. The IOS app was poor so no great loss.

Despite all the criticism of Nokia here, they have greatly improved the Windows phone 8 experience with the apps they produce on that platform.
 
Fast and fluid doesn't make up bad data for people who are told to drive onto a runway.

Thats 1 mistake out of how many total requests? There will always be mistakes - I'm pretty sure Google Maps still doesn't know about the street I live on even though it's been an official road in my town for the past few years... Apple Maps, on the other hand, knows about it. Out of the dozens of times I've used Apple Maps for directions, it's only been wrong a single time (it had a store as being about a mile further down the road than it actually was... I submitted a correction to Apple - haven't checked to see if they fixed it yet...)
 
If you can't beat 'em, run away......

I saw no reason to switch from google maps.
 
Now they are just a bunch losers.

yeah, a bunch of losers who have just reached market-share parity with iOS in Italy and France and soon will pass Apple in England and Germany as well. I'm not sure who's the bigger loser here - the company that went from literally 0 to 13% in two years or the one that went from 60% to 13% in the same two years.

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I enjoy using Here maps on my Lumia. Runs smoothly and has proper offline support when roaming abroad. Its also never got me lost. The IOS app was poor so no great loss.

Despite all the criticism of Nokia here, they have greatly improved the Windows phone 8 experience with the apps they produce on that platform.

couldn't agree more - Nokia maps is pretty awesome on WP8. And I can't really blame Nokia for concentrating their efforts in areas where they actually make a difference. Who give's a rat's a** about yet another maps app on iOS. Most people are using Google Maps there anyway - and some enthusiasts may even give Apple Maps a try, even if it means that they'll have to raise your car from the Hudson river afterwards.
 
idiot

Is the end result not the same? On Android, it is more work for developers to make sure new apps work on older devices and thus might result in less (quantity and quality) apps for Android.

With iOS in this situation, the app is disappearing from the app store. Apple is making it so devlopers have to do more work to make older apps work on new OS. Less apps for iOS but many people are just making excuses like "ive never used that app, so no big deal."

In both cases it is more work for the developer because of having to support more than 1 version of the OS. Stop trying to find technical reasons why it is different.

Anyone who does not understand the difference is plainly an idiot.
 
Go to any thread on here that isn't about Apple and you'll get crowds of people spewing massive hate. I don't know if you knew this, but this site has a massive amount of fanboys.

Well let's see, since this is Mac Rumors, and by the title it would appear to be a site about MACS/APPLE, one would assume that the people who visit the site would defend the product they support. Right? I'll go into a Japanese restaurant and start bashing sushi and get the same results. Maybe even an Italian restaurant and start bashing pasta.
 
Didn't the Google-based Maps also lack Street View? My memory is a bit hazy.

I had switched to Waze long before Apple Maps' debut for turn-by-turn navigation.

I think Street View was added to the Google Maps app with iOS3 maybe. But never had turn by turn.
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In fact I remember when Apple Maps debuted and ppl were comparing the differences and a big compliant about Apple Maps was lack of a Street View and no mass transit/walking directions.

Which is still the case but not as big of a deal now because people have found individual apps that do those better or downloaded the significantly improved Google Maps app off the store. I think people just forget how poor the original Google Maps app was becuase the Apple Maps app was so inaccurate.


Apple killing the integrated Google Maps app really kicked Google in the but to develop a great app. But the Apple Maps app is pretty good now and really for most people the only thing missing is Street View but the 3D works pretty good for much checking
 
People have this idyllic memory of Google based Apple maps. They forget it did lack turn by turn and Google was completely dragging their feet for the android advantage.


Same with the youtube App. Remember all the teeth gnashing when it was nixed. Now the Google app here and WAY better.

Either way, all I use know is Apple maps. Google maps is pointless and not even on my phone at this stage.

The Google app for YouTube stinks because it puts ads in. I just use Safari because it uses regular QuickTime to play the videos. And yes, Maps with Google Maps support was really lame. The new Google Maps app is laggy, so I deleted it.
 
I wonder if anyone on iOS even used this, I have a Windows Phone myself and really like the Here apps from Nokia. Here drive took a bit to get used to but overall I now like it almost as much as Google maps, don't have an iPhone so I can't speak for Apples maps.

HERE Maps(What an idiotic name! What was wrong with "Nokia Maps"?) on iOS was just a web wrapper. If you went to the website, it was exactly the same.

Windows Phone application, while still not on the same level as TomTom, CoPilot, Navigon or Sygic is still much more advanced than what Nokia offered in the iOS version.
 
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