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Interface is where it's at. Nokia just doesn't have it.
Not about a touchscreen.
Not about a 5MP camera with Flash.
Not about a MP3 and Video player.
Not about widgets and apps.

It's about tying it all together and having a good user experience.

N97
Instinct
Storm
Omnia

None of them stack up. Sorry.

Really? Non of them stack up?

N97 has the breadth of apps that really allow the GUI to be used to its full potential beyond just using touch/multi-touch gimmicks. I so constantly day-day see iPhone users swiping the screen for pictures, making calls, and browsing pic/video library, or the odd game on the subway or at work for personal phones. I have yet to see an iphone user typing a response to an SMS or an email. Maybe its why it sells so well, as this is all most users want/need. But as time goes on, needs/wants grow ppls choices change.

A breadth of quality applications that give users a breadth of choices in what they wish to do - interaction, not reaction.

* OpenC, C++, Ruby, Py60 (Python), etc. ALL coding languages are possible and available for the past 4yrs.

* Many see the iPhone as an internet tablet and it does great. But the N97 (more than the N95/N82/5800/etc) is for Interaction between the web and a lifestyle for communications in various markets. I record my sons soccer/baseball game in 30fps video and with just 1 cable stop by my family's house or back home, plug into the TV and press menu> media> select the recording and play (simple & intuitive, faster if its already on my screen). I don't need to sync to my Mac/PC and download it, then project it to iTV and play. What if the Mac/PC is off when I arrive? Not a good solution for iPhone is it?
 
Wow I see a LOT of haters out there for Nokia and S60/Symbian without truely using it to its fullest potential.

Overkill phone is overkill...

* it may be for most ppl but for me its a perfect upgrade to my E71. I select my phones VERY carefully based on my needs and future goals/wants for use. I use a smartphone as an intermediate level.

It's got between now and WWDC to make it's mark i'd imagine.

Nokia handsets (apart from RIM's Blackberry models) do seem to be an alternative/prior phone for a fair few iPhone usrs - and quite a lot have N series phones. N96 seemed a bit bloated, and now N97 has been announced using S60 touch tech, it's outdated before it's really out.

Nokia has done photography well, and it's fair to compare the lack of video recording on the iPhone currently, and also the paucity of the camera sensor also. However, iPhone sure does a lot better than the N97 - with Nokia handsets still seemingly having a dose of ugly thrown in for good measure.

If Apple's kept their lead, I think it'll be v. interesting to see where things go (and if Intel can get that 64GB chip out, that'd be rather useful for the v3 iPhone presumably announced at WWDC (will Apple stay at the new version every year, bump in size in January?)
Seems the phones will play to their strengths. A lot of factors the N97 is touting now, might be de facto normal things come post-WWDC...

Well Nokia is the king of the smartphone world for a reason - not just the hardware. I'll touch on this later, but the N97 supports 64MB (32GB + 16GB MicroSD with later a 32GB by mid-2009). Remember its not just the hardware but the software & quality of the software that is supported - not just frivolous apps for "ooohs & aaahhhs" that do not deliver.

It's got between now and WWDC to make it's mark i'd imagine.

Nokia handsets (apart from RIM's Blackberry models) do seem to be an alternative/prior phone for a fair few iPhone usrs - and quite a lot have N series phones. N96 seemed a bit bloated, and now N97 has been announced using S60 touch tech, it's outdated before it's really out.

Nokia has done photography well, and it's fair to compare the lack of video recording on the iPhone currently, and also the paucity of the camera sensor also. However, iPhone sure does a lot better than the N97 - with Nokia handsets still seemingly having a dose of ugly thrown in for good measure.

If Apple's kept their lead, I think it'll be v. interesting to see where things go (and if Intel can get that 64GB chip out, that'd be rather useful for the v3 iPhone presumably announced at WWDC (will Apple stay at the new version every year, bump in size in January?)
Seems the phones will play to their strengths. A lot of factors the N97 is touting now, might be de facto normal things come post-WWDC...

Well Nokia is the king of the smartphone world for a reason - not just the hardware. I'll touch on this later, but the N97 supports 64MB (32GB + 16GB MicroSD with later a 32GB by mid-2009). Remember its not just the hardware but the software & quality of the software that is supported - not just frivolous apps for "ooohs & aaahhhs" that do not deliver.

* Nokia understands varying world markets and is able to differentiate he OS into different hardware market segments on different pricing models retail or subsidized. Their not the largest manufacturer of cellphones for over a decade for no reason silly. Apple better understand this and make more than 1 iPhone product else it faces loosing its quickly gained market share and revenues.

* I'll agree that the menu's are a pain for some - yes SOME not all - of the simplest tweaks or changes (customizing profiles), yet the menu's can be changed by simply creating & installing a new THEME. Only WM offers this ability (not iPHone, not BlackBerry, or any other smartphone platform; Andriod has yet to add this).

* Stating that the touch OS is outdated before its released without something to back it up? How is it outdated.
- Name me another phone with WLAN (UPnP & VOIP support for Cisco/Avaya PBX networks), 3G/HSDPA 3.6Mbps, 5MP with autofocus & dual LED flash (supporting 30fps VGA video with 16:9 format), Touchscreen phone with or without full qwerty (with/out slide) ?? HTC Touch/Touch HD/Bold/Storm does not offer these specs. Although their OS is faster for 1-4 applications running. Try 10 and we'll see just how fast they are - sorry you cannot do that with the iPhone (can you even receive email while on a call? I know the hardware is capable but because a 3rd party ActiveSync email app is closed while browsing or calling does it run in the background? Or how about playing a game on the system)?

* iPhone had a deal with IBM to launch Lotus Notes Traveller - over 3-4mths ago yet its still not delivered ?? Its coming to S60 in less than 30 days after official announcement. That is corporate support - pull because there is just so many devices & users out there with different market segments across the entire world, not just simply 22-32 major country's.

Thats just a few things why Apple should consider the N97's potential. Why did Apple short change its users with a capable media device with a horrible camera that is outdated before design conception? Surely it wasn't to keep costs down - it was over $699 at initial launch and not everybody could get $199 on contract without loosing money for breaking an existing contract.
 
It's s60.... There are thousands of apps out there for it... How many of them are useful or good is debateable.. But then again, you could say the same of the app store :p


Useful apps for any OS is very very debateable. Only long term users of any smartphone or PDA in the past 12yrs can attest to duplicate apps that offer no usefulness above one another. I see this commonly on Palm OS 3.6-4.1/4.1.5.

Lets seee.

1) Mail for Exchange & RoadSync. Both are ActiveSync/MS Exchange apps for email/calendar synching in push mode. 1 offers synching subfolders, the other doesn't. The other offers contact synching with pictures on Exchange amonst other useful functions & more stability. VERY useful function from 1 app over the other so usefulness of BOTH are considered non overlapping. A

2) Joiku SPot Light - free based app that turns the phones/provider APN to an WLAN Access Point (your phone) via WLAN. Much faster tethering than Bluetooth - no bottlenecks (yes BT 2.0+ has a bottleneck even though 2Mbps is fastest transport - overhead of the hopping protocol). I've had 2 laptops & 3 iphones tether on WLAN at VERY fast speeds using my Nokia E71 over Rogers internet APN. I was also browsing and only for me on the phone was slow while the iPhones where checking email/browsing sites/synching MobileMe, and the laptops both replicating in Notes>Domino 30MB dbs'.

3) CISCO VoIP & Avaya PBX applications for corporate office lines over WLAN encrypted work network to have the office phone ring on the phone.
- 3rd party apps like Fring and 3 others offer VOIP for a users' personal VOIP service (Vonage, etc) to be used. Another allows for free Nokia phone to Nokia phone over WLAN for VOIP no 3rd party provider needed and the APP & service is FREEE! NO ADDS.
NOTE: FRING has started ads in banner style for some users - economy pinch is hurting them, eventually for all. This will affect iPhone users' using FRING shortly.

4) Notes Traveller - Nokia struct a deal with IBM which this app will allow Domino replication & SameTime IM colloboration for corporate users who's admins support this.

5. Symella - think bittorent for mobile phones.

6. Mobile phone server - turn your S60 phone into a web server: over WLAN or VPN (even for FTP services) - yes some ppl need this as they don't have a PC or their PC is in HW repair or HDD recovery where failed backups to a server (corporate server) didn't occur.

7. NOkia Maps, Route66, WayFinder, etc etc - ALL allowing local maps to be downloaded to your phones memory or (bettery) storage card and allow for turn by turn services to be used over WLAN or APN where the only data is quick lookup over APN (can be turned OFF by user on PHONE or APPS), or data used on APN for Turn by TURN functions. Sure GoogleMaps is available in J2ME or native C++ code for S60 but when you see how limited its services are in comparison you'll understand what you've been missing. Nokia's Maps uses Navteq corp services/data/api's etc.

8. QuickOffice & PDF support for editing office documents (even PowerPoint if limited some editing is capable here- same goes for Palm OS, WM, or LinuxFoundation, Andriod again lagging for the moment).

9. Nokia Mail Beta/Nokia Messenger (new name), ProfiMail, etc etc - roughly 10 personal email applications (yes the built in sucks. Support for HTML is there but as in 'open attachment' form. Nokia is very smart what it doesn't change on the OS so that it doesn't snub out 3rd party developers). Nokia Mail has a great & clean simple interface for IMAP/POP3 synching over SSL or not. ProfiMail 3.0 supports the same and allows the app to follow your phones existing Theme - a very nice touch really astethic - but also for better reliable IMAP idle and new folder (more like tags support) for GMAIL. ProfiMail as an app, although only at v3 has been around for almost 10yrs the life of S60!!

10. ** Apps allowing the ability to record incoming/outgoing phone calls - even VM calls - in silent mode and starts up upon phone boot and saves to phone mem/storage card. VERY sneaky. I'm not naming the apps - their legal and 1 is free in shared user license - but in my country its illegal to use the recording against somebody in a court of law.

That a few of what I use just off the top of my head.

Symbian Foundation will unify the best of all Symbian based OS' (S60 & UIQ are just 2/5 or 6 of the OS' - 2 are specific to the Japanese/Korean markets and supported/created by providers there such as NTT DoCoMo which is apart of the Symbian Foundation). This hopefully be able to simplify the menu structure, Kanji or other script like penstroke inputs will be better supported over wider range of hardware choices. Don't knock a phones OS without understanding what its limits are or what its capable of. ;)

Sure S60 or Symbian is not for everybody - but remember to keep an open mind, surely over time the current iPhone design will become boring.

Looking at the linked video, it took 4.3 seconds from the button press to the home screen. It won't take but a few days of this to piss off anyone who buys it.

What button press? Which video? There are several on youtube already, so I'm unsure which you're refering too. If its for the 5800 XM "Tube" sure thats a little slow, but this N97 has a lot of functions refined. I'm still thinking its running on a cpu that is HALF the mhz speed of both the iPhone & BB Bold. The Nokia N96 (another S60, non-touchscreen) is horrible bloated with speed issues and already 4 FW updates since October launch. This N97 in prototype form already beats it in speed for many actions.


@CADer; GOD no! Palm is not and has never been Symbian OS based in any shape or form. Only Palm OS or WM on the Treo lineup in recent years. Their OS is pathetic and VERY old/long in the tooth. They could've went with ALP (a linux os) some 4-5yr ago but dropped it wasting 100's of millions, then tried again, again abondoning. I'm surprised their still a going-concern really.
 
Call me in a few months when it's out and maybe I'll care.

No, actually I won't. Because the reason the iphone is so great is the same reason macs are great - the OS. Without that, the specs really don't matter because the user experience is going to suck. (oh, and no app store = no sale)
 
...and Nokia used to produce: televisions, computers, computer displays, WLAN products, digital television receivers (set-top boxes), ADSL modems, ...

Thus, Nokia has quite a lot experience (since 1865, in fact ;))

Don't they also produce tyres? Or perhaps they sold that off or something (a la the IBM/Lenovo/thinkpad dealy)?
 
Seriously, wth?

It's just a smartphone. It's not a computer. It's not even an iPhone.

I didn't see anything fun about it. It looks like Vista to me. Big numbers with lots of flash and fuzz but nothing actually worth upgrading for.

You can do more on a Nokia smartphone than you can iPhone ( mainly due to Apple restrictions ).

It may well be termed 'smartphone', but really, it is a computer ( I'd like to know opinions otherwise ). Just like most other smartphones.
 
a lot of nokia hate in this thread, so i thought id ad something a little different:

Firstly, let me state that i plan to get an iphone for my mother fairly soon, as it is so simple to use, but for me...

...I am very happy with my N95 8GB, and here's why:

1. I'm not sure about this 'its UI is slow' thing because it works as fast as any phone i have had before (infact, upon testing the iphones in the regent street apple store, i found the UI to be much more sluggish than my iPod touch 2G)

2. phone features, such as call quality, battery life, BT headset functionality and texting are all top notch

3. for my web use (mostly text based sites), it is so much faster than the iphone its unreal, which in all honesty is half of the reason why I don't have an iphone (NB the ui is gorgeous though, and over wifi speed problems do not apply). Every time that i have searched a website using O2's 3G, it takes literally enough time that i give up before the page has loaded, it is slower than my N95 on vodafone with gprs turned off.

4. as a photographer, the camera is important to me, and the N95 is one of the best options around.


There we go. At the moment, I prefer the N95 for day to day use. yes its boring, and I wish i could have its functionality in an iphone, but for the moment at least, it has been a very reliable handset:)
 
Why does Europe get things before we do?
I am tired of being last.

Probably because the north american cell phone market is rather small compared to other locations. Why would Nokia release in north america first when it could release to Europe and Asia, which are far larger markets?
 
The Good

-Slide-out screen
-keyboard
-5 mp camera w/ video

Also don't forget - Native support for:
-MMS
-PUSH Email for personal accounts beyond GMAIL or Yahoo - there are over 500 ISPs for push email support.
- Theme is VERY tweakable and FONTS can be changed with little know-how. Funny I thought OS X supported this & was part of the reason for creating Apple OS yet the iPhone doesn't support this natively? :O
- VGA video recording in standard 4:3 or 16:9 format!
- TV-OUT for that recorded video taken at 30FPS and playback in 30FPS or downloaded movies ;)

The Bad
-Thickness
-OS
-No app store
-$700
-No firm ship date

* Thickness, sure, but you're iPHone doesn't have a hardware QWERTY keyboard & I'll bet after a week of using it on the N79 you'll be typing faster, and more lenghty emails without IMHO, or other like abbreviations - not good for work email.
* OS is VERY VERY powerful, more than you know. FONT change support either via THEMES, or input by the user, FW updates are usually timely and OTA on APN (provider data connection), not just your PC ;). Not everybody carriers their iMac/MBP/MB/MacPro with them when travelling and needs bug fixes or more features. Support for FLASH Lite 3 - yes HTML flash sites do load in the webkit browser - something Nokia & Apple started some 2-3yrs back. Also note that C++ (original Symbian code base), OpenC, RUBY and Python (PyS60) applications ARE SUPPORTED. OS is inferior, say again? I thought so.
* $700 is the RETAIL unlocked/unbranded version. The iPhone in the USA is not more than $100 cheaper for the same deal. On contract this will be a LOT cheaper, maybe not $199/2yrs but maybe for 3yrs in the USA. most likely $299CAN on Rogers if it makes it on their subsidized list. Europe it'll be under $100EUro's for sure!
* No firm ship date IS a hurting thing. It could be sped up so that the current touch UI on the 5800 XM gets a fair shot at the same markets this'll be released. Also a version for 850/1900/2100Mhz HSDPA has yet to be announced, and maybe next month or in February. if So then FCC may take longer to certify. Most likely the real reason for the wait is for a much more powerful applications CPU with basebands & DLP imbedded is awaiting final production stages. Nokia has contracts with 7, yes 7 application CPU makers - which traditionally has slowed development amongst them all (who wants to fork out billions in a new CPU design that fits Nokia's demands, yet doesn't get picked for a mass-market device because of battery drain or no 3D HW accelleration imbedded or not fast enough). currently 369Mhz ARM 9 is the fastest application CPU in use on the E71 - but without HW video acceleration its slow for multimedia uses vs the N95/iPhone. N95/E90/N96/N85/N82 ALL make due with a 329-333/345mhz applications CPU with an internal baseband radio stack & WLAN support. DLP is imbedded on the E90/N95 chipset, but 3D video acceleration is on its own chip.

The Ugly
-Interface
-Sluggishness
-Lack of any 'killer apps'
- UI is theme changeable ... lookup TAT on S60 to see whats possible beyond themes for transitions.
- in time it will be refined. Remember they're not taking a computer OS and removing components out - their building on the foundations of a PDA (Psion anyone?) OS that has evolved over 10yrs.
* Killer apps? LMAO - FRING was first on S60, not iPhone or WM. Can you use an app for FREE VOIP to another iPHone user on ANY WLAN AP? is that app free? NO, but there is one for any Nokia WLAN capable phone ;). Does your iPhone support CISCO/AVAYA PBX? Both have yet to get Domino/SameTime replication/collaboration - but I'll go further in stating Notes Traveller from IBM will be available for S60 before the iPhone this month, possibly with more features as well. For the geeks, do you have an app that can map and give you engineer information about the tower you're connected too? Edit PDF documents? Setup your iPhone as a webserver (html access/VPN)? What about using Bittorent directly to your microSD card? Oh can you encrypt your internal memory? I'm still waiting though for a pharmaceutical db app for S60. There is one for Palm OS and WM.


* Can you replace your battery? Or do you have to walk into an AppleStore to do it? Do you have to ship it out of state if you don't have an AppleStore in your state/country? Does Apple reimburse you for the shipping charges if you have to ship for a new battery? Can you go to cnn.net for new replaceable parts should the screen of your iPhone get cracked? How long will Apple allow a brand new iPhone as a replacement in such a situation? Or how many times can you do this? Sorry if this is a low blow here.

I left out the high-rez screen b/c I don't think the extra pixels add anything to a 3.5" screen. Really, the iPhone screen is sharp enough as is.

And the iPhone will undoubtedly be upgraded to 32gb by the time this thing actually ships sometime next year. So this is no real advantage.

Change your fonts and maybe you'll see the difference in resolution? do that multi-touch pinch thing to zoom in and I'm SURE you'll see a reason for yet higher resolution at some zoom point in ANY phone. Multi-touch to be is a gimmick on a phone, unless I'm going to have an app mature enough to do finger painting or editing photos or handwritten signatures for legal documentation. Other than zooming into/out of pictures (can you do this for videos on the fly while playback is running?) what other daily use for multi-touch do you reall need? Are you going to CTRL+ALT+DEL your iPHone into a reboot??! :p Sorry I couldn't pass up the chance at that cheeky line.
 
@Aaargh! as a Java developer you'll already know that J2ME is secondary to C++, Open C, or RUBY or PyS60 on Symbian phones. J2ME is better run on feature phones like SonyEricsson's than S60 - that goes without saying let alone coding, n'est pas?

However, Many phones have a REAL camera lens and sensor matrix - its just you're not aware of them.

* SE K750i is CMOS based but if you really google you'll see it uses a bonafide Sony sensor & matrix used in a aslightly older phone.
* Casio in the Japanese market has the Exilim brand - truely a digital camera with optical zoom.
* Nokia N90/92/93 ALL have a digital camera sensor & matrix on CMOS/CCD and used in digital cameras.

The excuse of a digital camera being a gimmick is LONG gone man. Ppl take photos & video of accidents, loved ones, and even homicides/ assualts for evidence in public places. Heck I would've LOVED to have a cellphone with a camera 10 years ago where I could send my wife a picture of a shelf of pads she wanted me to buy along with bathroom supplies instead of being embarrased to ask - I PRAY you or anyone else doesn't need to go through that kind of pain, Ever see a brother blush?

TV-OUT is something recent for the iPhone but on a very proprietary cord no? I'd rather use standard cables.

Sometimes battery's fail, and if I'm not wrong even iPhones/iPods batterys have a limited life support - 90days? Should it fail, then what? Your options may not be the same fit for others.
 
Call me in a few months when it's out and maybe I'll care.

No, actually I won't. Because the reason the iphone is so great is the same reason macs are great - the OS. Without that, the specs really don't matter because the user experience is going to suck. (oh, and no app store = no sale)

There is an app store ... its called "Download!" yet its under-utilized. Its been there LONG before an AppStore concept was thought of by Apple. However Apples' AppSTore is limited by only Apple - which some users don't like - hence the reason for jailbreaking - funny term that is not called hacking. But look at RIM's model where its not controlled, and also support for an AppStore along side of RIMS where wireless providers, Forums - heck imagine your commaderies here making an app that was denied by Apple that many here want and its available by MacRumors AppStore ;) This is what RIM is doing - thinking different.

* Don't get me started on a better OS that isn't living up - How come touchscreen (heck MULTI-TOUCH is on Win7 in Alpha working on an HP retail hardware) not released by Apple themselves?!! Heck Modbook 3rd party had to do it first (?), and yet the iMac would be so AMAZING if Multi-touch was there ... they have the userbase wanting it and the market ALL ready to feed like crack-addicts for this; yet why the wait? A different discussion for another thread.
 
Personally I've always been in favor of a mechanical keyboard. And though I love the iphone I was a little disappointed apple didn't come out with a really great phone that was cheap. Not a mini-computer like the iphone say, but doing a regular cell-phone better than anybody else. They called this the iphone mini. I think it could be done...
 
All these iPhone fanboys make me laugh - if Nokia had released the iPhone and Apple the N97 you can guess how their opinions would change. I understand now why Apple fans are so hated in the tech world, even though I am one myself.

Like me, you spent a silly amount of money on s**t. You bought it to pose with probably, or because it looked cool. Now crawl out of Jobs' ass and see it for what it really is.

I think I'm looking at my next phone with this. With Nokia's Phone Manager for Mac (or whatever their sync suite is called) coming out soon I won't even need to boot into Windows to get the full "experience" and features out of the N97.
 
Did anyone here actually bother to do a little research before they typed out their arrogance?

http://www.s60.com/life/application

I'm amazed at the amount of naïve people on this forum. Several of the people that have replied to this thread have maintained a narrow mindset. The iPhone is not the Jesus phone that it was hyped up to be. I accept that it is a landmark device and extremely influential, but I choose not to own one based on first hand experience.

I feel that the idea of multi-touch is merely a gimmick still in its infancy. The lack of features such as stereo Bluetooth and MMS, while features I don't use on a regular basis, is simply inexcusable for a phone that is being marketed years ahead of the competition. I hate to repeat what has already been said, but the iPhone was obsolete at its introduction. It does not matter if you don't use MMS or even replace your battery every three days. The fact is that these are features that standard throughout the cell phone market.

On the subject of the sluggishness of the S60 OS presented in that demonstration video, let's keep in mind that the phone has yet to reach production. As for the promotional video, of course Nokia is going to exaggerate the speed. If you look at any iPhone commercial, they use the same tactic. That's advertisement. And don't most iPhone commercials show the capabilities of the device just as in the N97 promo? Sure Apple shows an incoming call at the end, but it's the same idea. You have to remember that it's not just the hardware that can cause sluggishness, but network strength as well.

Once again, the phone is only thick due to the presence of a physical keyboard. I'm willing to bet that the iPhone would be of the same thickness if it featured one as well. That is but one of the reasons why I like the N97. Too many times have I used an iPhone and I can never get used to its virtual keyboard. Perhaps it's due to my larger hands and fingers but I feel that is still needs some work.

The phone is overkill you say? I don't believe any phone can be overkill (unless someone creates a phone that can finally cook breakfast for you) because it is merely future proofing. Quad band GSM and tri-band 3G as well as WiFi b/g? That makes it a world phone. As for storage, yes, by the time this phone is released, I'm sure there will be a 32GB iPhone in the wild. But how long before the next storage upgrade? Pretty soon, microSD cards will reach 32GB capacity, effectively doubling the amount of space for the N97.

Lastly, price. How many of you bought the original iPhone? Remember how much that cost WITH contract? This phone is projected to cost $700, UNLOCKED. T-Mobile fans benefit from this fact despite lack of the AWS 3G band. Besides, there are other phones that top the price of the iPhone and the N97. Phones from HTC, Sony Ericsson and Nokia itself.

You have to understand that what works for one person, doesn't mean that the entire world will feel the same If you don't use MMS, fine. But someone else does. I'm sure some of your friends have tried to send you an MMS only to discover that you never received it due to Apples negligence . And it is a standard across the market. While I didn't perform a through check due to lack of time, most of the top apps in the iTunes store were games. Couple this with the fact that Apple maintains a Draconian fist over the app store, its only natural that would be developers will have second thoughts about iPhone development. I'm not defending S60 or Nokia in anyway. I'm only trying to point out that we should all reserve our judgement until we actually try the phone out.
 
The only aspect. . .

that makes me violate the 10th commandment is the nice camera.

Even if they just improved the optics and gave it a flash, the 2MP size could be sufficient. I can't tell you how often the iPhone camera's inferiority has let me down.

That's the main reason I didn't upgrade to the 3G. Hopefully, Nokia might motivate to give some love to the camera in the next version of the iPhone.
 
Overkill phone is overkill...

the :apple: fanboism is reaching new levels of stupidity here!

I sold my iphone to get the N95 8GB because of the lack of decent camera and video record functionality.

Check out the movie I made with the stock N95 video recorder (and powerdirector)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kWCf6ajQQQs

Now to the guy who said 'phone overkill is overkill' on seeing N97 video specs, you just dont have a clue and your comment looks almost as stupid as the infamous 'everything has all ready been invented' comment from the early part of last century.

Look if you are that blinded by steve jobs b*lls that you got tattooed to the inside of your eyelids then you really are beyond help. Anyone who has ever had the slightest interest in computers must laugh at such a comment :D
 
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