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It's really sad how many men (and women) cheat on their partners..
Because it was funny I made together with a friend a fake netlog (European facebook) with a girl of 18 years old with a fake image ofcourse from google.. In 5 minutes we already had 20 men talking to her (us) about having sex... The annoying thing was many of these men were married...

You should talk to your friend about it...
 
It's really sad how many men (and women) cheat on their partners..
Because it was funny I made together with a friend a fake netlog (European facebook) with a girl of 18 years old with a fake image ofcourse from google.. In 5 minutes we already had 20 men talking to her (us) about having sex... The annoying thing was many of these men were married...

You should talk to your friend about it...

We've talked and talked and he'll admit that he's doing something wrong and he's a horrible person and so forth, but none of that makes him want to stop. He won't listen to me. When it comes down to it, he chose the mistress over his wife and me as well.
 
So what would you do? :(

I would stay out of it. She'll eventually learn herself. However, with the situation she is in now, it's best you don't interfere and let her learn of the situation for herself. If you found out, undoubtedly it won't be long before she finds out.

But your best to stay out of it. Yeah the man is wrecking his marriage/relationship, but you shouldn't be the one to kill it.
 
I would stay out of it. She'll eventually learn herself. However, with the situation she is in now, it's best you don't interfere and let her learn of the situation for herself. If you found out, undoubtedly it won't be long before she finds out.

But your best to stay out of it. Yeah the man is wrecking his marriage/relationship, but you shouldn't be the one to kill it.

Exactly. If I tell her, chances are they'll both resent me for it. Her because the illusion of a great husband will be ruined. And him because he'll convince himself he would've eventually stopped and all would've been fine. He's already trying to put push the blame off himself and it's not even in the open yet.
 
We've talked and talked and he'll admit that he's doing something wrong and he's a horrible person and so forth, but none of that makes him want to stop. He won't listen to me. When it comes down to it, he chose the mistress over his wife and me as well.
Forgive me if you've already addressed this, but does he say he loves his wife? Or is he just hanging around out of obligation for the baby? I don't understand his thinking at all. He sounds like like slime, but of course, we have not heard the whole story.
 
We've talked and talked and he'll admit that he's doing something wrong and he's a horrible person and so forth, but none of that makes him want to stop. He won't listen to me. When it comes down to it, he chose the mistress over his wife and me as well.

Then tell him this. Tell him to think about his unborn child, and that when he or she asks "Where is daddy?" they are told that Daddy isn't there because of the bad things that he did to hurt Mommy.

Tell him that when his child grows older and knows the truth about why he wasn't there for his child, that his child more than likely will grow up with resent and scorn of their father.

Tell him that he will be setting a really nice example of the meaning behind Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle". Tell him that someone else's child doesn't deserve it because of the actions that he did.

If anything would pull on his heart strings let alone anything common sense, it would be how his child would perceive him as a father.

BL.
 
Forgive me if you've already addressed this, but does he say he loves his wife? Or is he just hanging around out of obligation for the baby? I don't understand his thinking at all. He sounds like like slime, but of course, we have not heard the whole story.

He's said he loves his wife. If anything, he told me that he doesn't yet feel a connection to the baby though he's word this is normal for men during a first pregnancy. I wouldn't know having not had any children, but I can't imagine not feeling a bond with my unborn child.

The mistress provides him sexual satisfaction that he isn't getting at home. He and his wife were very sexually active before the pregnancy, and then it went full stop. I am by no means justifying his actions (you'd think someone could go a few months without sex [I know I have!]), but it was probably torture for him. He found a possible outlet, and then latched on. Pathetic.

Then tell him this. Tell him to think about his unborn child, and that when he or she asks "Where is daddy?" they are told that Daddy isn't there because of the bad things that he did to hurt Mommy.

Tell him that when his child grows older and knows the truth about why he wasn't there for his child, that his child more than likely will grow up with resent and scorn of their father.

Tell him that he will be setting a really nice example of the meaning behind Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle". Tell him that someone else's child doesn't deserve it because of the actions that he did.

If anything would pull on his heart strings let alone anything common sense, it would be how his child would perceive him as a father.

BL.

I tried this too. I'm going to write him a letter and mail it to him now that we aren't talking anymore. Remind him of all the good times that we've had as friends, and all the things he's told me over the years about his wife and how bad they've wanted a child. Remind him of the things he's forced himself to forget. It's all I can think to do.
 
the fact that it bothers you means that it isnt the way he usually is. that what he is doing is far from his normal behavior.

i would then talk with him.
if my best friend was acting in a way that he/she would not usually be acting...i would be worried.
people dont just wake up and do things they dont normally do.

i would be worried that the bonds we made as friends are on the verge of breaking. just because he is cheating on his wife doesnt mean he isnt effecting anyone else around him.

should you be the one to tell his wife?
no way jose. that ball is not in your court.
but that doesnt mean you should sit around and pretend it isnt there.
i would stay away from the entire situation. stay away from my friend. stay away from his wife.

until:
a) my friend stops what he is doing and seeks advice on how to tell his woman he did wrong.
b) she finds out and seeks advice on how to confront him.
 
you can only make matters worse if you tell his wife.....and that's worse for everybody, yourself included
 
He's said he loves his wife. If anything, he told me that he doesn't yet feel a connection to the baby though he's word this is normal for men during a first pregnancy. I wouldn't know having not had any children, but I can't imagine not feeling a bond with my unborn child.

And I was about to head out to lunch, but I can't resist this one.. now I go off.

With my wife and I having lost our first child at 19 weeks into the pregnancy, I can guaran-damn-tee there is a bond there. He definitely is taking it for granted, because in the beginning, I did too. I told jokes about the baby, and what would happen, because I was afraid of what I would do (as an only child who never babysat, I had no experience at all with children, especially babies). But he won't realize it until something happens, and he is perpetuating it.

I don't know where you are, but according to the OB-GYN here, a viable pregnancy starts at 20 weeks; viable, meaning that they would call it an actual child, eligible for birth and death certificates. Anything less would be deemed a second trimester miscarriage. The latter is what we had, and we ended up with nothing out of it; no pictures, no certificate of birth, nothing for any sort of funeral, nothing. We were lucky to have copies of the only two ultrasounds we have of her. When you lose your baby, whether born or not, like hell you don't have a bond. He's spewing b******t straight out of his mouth, and now has me a bit pissed. If he's thinking of keeping this up, he isn't worthy of that baby, let alone his wife who is taking the 9 months out of her life to have him/her for the both of them.

The mistress provides him sexual satisfaction that he isn't getting at home.

So can masturbation, and he can surely get that at home.

He and his wife were very sexually active before the pregnancy, and then it went full stop.

Now, I believe we get to it. Doctors say that sex during pregnancy, even up to 7 months in the term is absolutely fine and normal. It helps the woman to relax and makes bearing down during delivery easier. My guess is that he grew up on old values that you don't touch a woman during the entire gestational period, or he finds sex with a pregnant woman absolutely revolting.

If the latter here is the case, You have to wonder what will happen if he gets the mistress pregnant.

I am by no means justifying his actions (you'd think someone could go a few months without sex [I know I have!]), but it was probably torture for him. He found a possible outlet, and then latched on. Pathetic.

He's too manly enough to search for other means outside of infidelity. That is what makes him pathetic. What makes him less of a man in my book is that he has no regard, respect, nor care about the child he has helped to bring in to this world, and until he gets his act together, really doesn't deserve the moniker of "Father", when there are people who have done everything right, yet can't naturally.

Believe me, I know aren't justifying anything for him, and if anything you should be applauded for asking for help and counsel for such a horrid situation as this. But for him...

I better just head to lunch before I say something I may regret.

BL.
 
Do you think she could support a baby on her own? If that's a concern, I think you should give your friend the ultimatum. Either he stops, or she finds out in time to make a decision with all of her options open.
 
I agree about the baby. His baby girl is due in just over 4 months and he's claiming to have no bond which is ridiculous. On some levels, I'm horrified to think that he's so disappointed that it's going to be a girl that he's latched onto the mistress - who has a toddler boy. And yes, I've considered the possibility of her getting pregnant as well, something that would only make this whole mess even more complicated. I hope and pray it doesn't happen.

I continue to read every post and appreciate all insight and feedback. This is truly helping me gain perspective. Thank you all.
 
Whether you should tell her or not I'm not sure. However, one option would be to let her know anonymously. That way she knows and you aren't in danger of getting hurt by the husband. Of course he could always guess it was you.
 
I understand the idea of not interfering. But the thing is, this wasn't a one time thing. He's been cheating on his wife for months. So I'd really think she should know.

If it was me, I'd really want to know, even if it devastated me, even with a child on the way. I can't even imagine the idea of being with someone who deceived me for so long, even if he stopped cheating. That's not healthy, that won't be a healthy family.

So I really think the best idea is giving him an ultimatum: either he tells her or you tell her.
 
Whether you should tell her or not I'm not sure. However, one option would be to let her know anonymously. That way she knows and you aren't in danger of getting hurt by the husband. Of course he could always guess it was you.

He's smart enough that even in the delusional world he's in right now, he'd still figure that one out.

I understand the idea of not interfering. But the thing is, this wasn't a one time thing. He's been cheating on his wife for months. So I'd really think she should know.

If it was me, I'd really want to know, even if it devastated me, even with a child on the way. I can't even imagine the idea of being with someone who deceived me for so long, even if he stopped cheating. That's not healthy, that won't be a healthy family.

So I really think the best idea is giving him an ultimatum: either he tells her or you tell her.

That's what most women have told me. They'd want to know. I know I would too as a man. I could've tolerated the deception if it was one time. Forgive and move on, and he better treat her extra good from then on out. But to continue it over and over again...that's not the same. I can't overlook that. He tried to throw it in my face that "a friend should be there for you when you fall", but my thought is that he's not done falling yet. If he wants me to, I can be there to help pick him back up in the end, but I'm not going to try to slow him down or save him before he crashes and realizes just what he's done.
 
So he wants to have his cake and eat it.

He may leave the mistress later on with the Pregnancy.

Now that could all work itself out and perhaps ignorance is bliss.

-but-

Why hide the truth.

Write off your friendship with your pal, accept that the wife and mistress will hate you. Give him a short time scale to tell or let her know yourself.

Not your business! Some might say, but you are already interfering if you know and don't say a word - how? Because your assisting his deception and you are part of the conspiracy.

You may write off your friendship with these people, but that's their choice to decide if they want to sort out the mess rather than use you as a scapegoat.

If I was in the wife's shoes, I would never like to be left in the dark especially when there is a baby on the way (arguably there is another life that is also affected here).

If you do decide not to tell then I think you should ensure that you never kiss and make up with your friend.
 
Keep in mind that no one really knows what's going on in someone else's relationship. Having a long term affair requires a lot of lies and deceit. He's probably lying to you about what's really going on.
 
you are screwed no matter what. You tell her she resents you. You don't tell her she resents you for not telling her when she finds out.

I would say do not tell her but do not lie for him either. If she ask you tell her but do not be the one to open that door.
 
Personally if it were me I would want to be told, not only because its someone you trust who is taking advantage of me but there could also be health risks. what if she gets an STI? Thats something that she'll have to live with for life, once a cheater always a cheater. She definitely has a right to know.

If you don't want to tell her yourself, I would make a new email account and send her an email, but only one and then leave it at that.
 
I would stay out of it. The couple always turn against the person who broke the news. Like someone said above, you can't win.

That is so true. I have friends who are a couple and one partner told me they were having problems in their relationship due to a serious mental health issue with the other partner who said they would seek help for. Right now, alcohol consumption is their choice for medicine.

When the partner asked for my help, and then the other partner got mad at being found out (having a disease similar to schizophrenia), then they both went into serious denial mode. One partner already let me know of the other's behavior (due to alcohol) and a charge against them.

It will only get worse but I found out in law school, I cannot intervene unless I am a detached mental health worker or cop.

So if somebody you know, who you love dearly, suffers from, let's say schizophrenia, and drives around drunk way too much, and everybody knows it, it is the job of the authorities to step in, not friends. And if the person in question does not want to seek help for their severe mental illness or related alcoholism, or non related alcoholism, that person has to want to step forward and do it themselves.

If that person wants to lie about their illnesses to themselves, there is nothing one can do, even if you know it will most likely result in a serious car accident and injury/death. It's like seeing the barflys at the local pub get smashed every night and drive home. Unless that person is visibly smashed beyond recognition, there is little anyone outside of the cops and rehab counselors can do.

It's hard, and very sad.

In your friend's marriage scenario, if they are not ready to face their own issues, they will blame you for everything, really. It's irrational, but it's human behavior.
 
Man, Google can be so inappropriate at times...
 

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you are screwed no matter what. You tell her she resents you. You don't tell her she resents you for not telling her when she finds out.

I would say do not tell her but do not lie for him either. If she ask you tell her but do not be the one to open that door.

I think ultimately that's going to be the plan of action. Problem is, we don't interact much outside of when I'm hanging out with them as a pair, so I don't know that the opportunity for her to question me will arise, but if it does I won't lie for him.

Man, Google can be so inappropriate at times...

That's awful!
 
Does the other lady know it's an affair?
If not, tell her and leave her to sort it out, and if it even shows signs of getting ugly, get a police.
 
Does the other lady know it's an affair?
If not, tell her and leave her to sort it out, and if it even shows signs of getting ugly, get a police.

Yeah, that was one of the points I touched on earlier that probably got lost in the thread. lol She's aware it's an affair. She's been over to their house, knows he's married and that he has a child on the way. When I found out I got justifiably mad at the two of them for doing this, and he told me that I had every right to be mad at him (at first, then later changed his stance), but that I shouldn't be mad at her. Why not? It's not like he seduced her in a bar. She is a friend of theirs and went into the situation knowingly. She made her choices with all the information.
 
This is a really tough question and I've battled with it a couple times myself. Like the others have said, you're in a lose/lose position. I think at the end of the day I'd probably stay out of it and let it run its course. The kid is already on it's way, so the whole situation is going to be f'ed up regardless of when the truth comes out.

I'm really hardened to people cheating - the kinds of people that I deal with on a regular basis aren't especially faithful. A lot of times I'll come home from work completely disgusted, and the only thing I want to do is kiss my wife.
 
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