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iPod touch Not very cool that 2.0 available for iPhone, iPod touch left high and dry
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Yes, because heaven knows Apple have nothing else to do today...
Look, you need to understand how releases on this scale work. Apple will have a plan in place, complete with a LOT of alterantive scenarios, as to how, when and where everything launches over the next few days. On a very basic level it would cover MobileMe, iTunes 7.7, iPhone 3G, iPhone firmware 2.0, iPod Touch firmware 2.0 and the App Store. This is not a small undertaking, especially as most of these require downloading in some way shape or form. Contingency plans will be in place to handle any problems that occur (see MobileMe for example) up to and including full rollbacks.
Now in the case of iPhone and iPod firmware I would expect Apple to have scheduled a suitable chunk of time where they will have maxed out their support presence, have an arrangment in place with their bandwidth provider to increase their bandwidth for a time if required, ensured that it won't conflict with any other priority that may be around (again, at the moment, I'd suspect any crisis response resource is currently busy on MobileMe) and bumped up their customer support team as well. On top of this you also need to have resource available to handle any problems that occur with App Store as it's going to get hammered the instant 2.0 goes live.
Honestly, if I were Apple, I'd see no reason to rush release 2.0, or even to have it out before the new iPhone launches. The pre-requisite isn't the firmware, it's iTunes 7.7 and the changes to MobileMe. Those are both out and, hopefully, the issues with MobileMe will be sorted out by the time the big launches roll round (Europe and America mostly). Then let all the shiny new iPhones connect up, register, download all the free apps etc BEFORE letting everyone else upgrade. That's the safest path for a smooth rollout and gives them a small (relativley anyway) test base in the form of the 3G iPhone users to find any flaws. If they in fact let us existing owners upgrade at the same time then I'm actually quite impressed and REALLY want their bandwidth budget!
Basically you need to think about these things from a global perspective and not your own personal one. And to intercept the other whine about why they didn't launch 2.0 days ago, you have to remember it's a linked product to MobileMe, App Store, iTunes etc and in that case every day you can put on testing and preparation is a bonus. So long as everything's in place for new users on the 11th then all is well.
I agree with you on some part, but some on others...
Apple needs to respect their customers...
It is their job to roll out the update to everyone in clean, and quick manner....
It is Apple's job to release the 2.0 update to all iPod touch owners who are willing to pay 10 dollars to upgrade immedietley....
they should have thought about reservation system, like album pre-orders that they do on iTunes....
Lets get this part really CLEAR!
Apple has not officially announced the availability nor rolled out the firmware 2.0 (via the proper iTunes Update method) to ANYONE!
People you are hearing from have taken it upon themselves to download code from a back-door link into Apples file distribution service. (okay back-door link might not be correct but none the less Apple never advertised that files presence nor did it instruct iPhone users to download the firmware and install it.
Give up the ghost... you are not going to get what you want anyway.. Apple will release the firmware TO THE PUBLIC in whatever time frame and fashion they desire.
That one really cracked me up.... immediately..... The kid is talking like he's King of the World.
Dave
I'm a little upset and confused that if I want the 2.0 update, i'll be paying more money.
Other than additional profits, which in no way is bad for them, but to me as a consumer, I feel betrayed for being a loyal customer.
Betrayed might not be the exact word, but I feel as if I got the end of the bargain for buying an ipod touch.
Additional fees for an update...Its an update for crying out loud I feel entittled to it.
Ben
Other than additional profits, which in no way is bad for them, but to me as a consumer, I feel betrayed for being a loyal customer.
Betrayed might not be the exact word, but I feel as if I got the end of the bargain for buying an ipod touch.
Additional fees for an update...Its an update for crying out loud
I feel entittled to it.Ben
That's what you get buying iPhones little brother...
Everyone always pays more attention to the older sibling..
Lets get this part really CLEAR!
Apple has not officially announced the availability nor rolled out the firmware 2.0 (via the proper iTunes Update method) to ANYONE!
People you are hearing from have taken it upon themselves to download code from a back-door link into Apples file distribution service. (okay back-door link might not be correct but none the less Apple never advertised that files presence nor did it instruct iPhone users to download the firmware and install it.
Give up the ghost... you are not going to get what you want anyway.. Apple will release the firmware TO THE PUBLIC in whatever time frame and fashion they desire.
That one really cracked me up.... immediately..... The kid is talking like he's King of the World.
Dave
Thanks, that saved me a lot more typing
I'd love if these people that are complaining could please point to anything from Apple saying anything about when the upgrade will be officialy available. Note, upgrade, not iPhone firmware 2.0 in the 3G iPhone.
I am a little bit disappointed in the fact that there's a ton of iPhone users out there currently downloading and enjoying the new 2.0 firmware and the touch users kinda feel like "Hey, can I play too?". I just wish that Apple did not even load the software on their servers until launch day. Apple must already know that people are going to find this stuff... it always happens. There's people out there right now clicking "Check for updates" every 4 and a half seconds to see if 2.0 is out yet. We're like savage wolves waiting to strike... and Apple is dangling the bait. That's how I feel. I wanna join in on the fun, but us poor iPod touch users are like the kids on the outside of the themepark.
I'm a little upset and confused that if I want the 2.0 update, i'll be paying more money.
Other than additional profits, which in no way is bad for them, but to me as a consumer, I feel betrayed for being a loyal customer.
Betrayed might not be the exact word, but I feel as if I got the end of the bargain for buying an ipod touch.
Additional fees for an update...Its an update for crying out loud
Ben
It's a legal issue. Because the iPod Touch is not subscription based, aka, you don't have to pay to use it, Apple (supposedly) cannot issue major updates to it without charging a few. They can fix bugs, but adding new features is almost like giving you a new product, and they legally have to charge you. Updating the software is different than adding new features.
The iPhone, on the other hand, is subscription based. If you don't pay a monthly fee, it won't work. Therefore, because you are subscribing, they can give that update for free.
Don't think that you got the short end of the deal. These are features that were released after you purchased the product, leading me to assume you were satisfied with the product as is when you bought it. These features are an extra bonus, with a small charge on them. The most expensive iPod is $500, and with the 2 updates, that total is $530. The iPhone, with its 2 year contract, will run its owners over $2000. Trust me, you got a good deal with the iPod. And I think the large amount of free apps makes up for the small charge
You say you'll release it on the 11th and then you don't release it on the 10th, what the hell is wrong with you Apple!!!
Lol that cheered me up
Typical American response: "I want it now!!!!"
America's consumerism culture has turned everybody into a bunch of whining brats. We want it all! We want it right now! And as soon as the next shiny object is rumored, your brand new 2.0 Firmware won't be cool anymore.
Believe me, I want 2.0 just as bad as anyone else, but it's not even out yet!!! You will have it soon. Until then, be patient.
America's consumerism culture has turned everybody into a bunch of whining brats. We want it all! We want it right now! And as soon as the next shiny object is rumored, your brand new 2.0 Firmware won't be cool anymore.
Believe me, I want 2.0 just as bad as anyone else, but it's not even out yet!!! You will have it soon. Until then, be patient.
I agree. And I've been saying, Steve Jobs said in the WWDC Keynote that it would be released July 11. So for all the complainers, go to bed early, and when you wake up you can download it, its not far away.
Again though, you have to consider this from the point of view of Apple's internal rollout procedures. You prep everything for a launch of this scale way in advance so when the first part rolls out you can just concentrate on the problems encountered. Why? Because, if something does go wrong, you don't want someone who's a tad stressed uploading the wrong file or forgetting to do it or one of a dozen other small things that could go wrong.
Also, let me just throw out two other thoughts here. 1) The 2.0 that's currently being downloaded might not even be the final one. It's unlikely but remember that all those grabbing it now have no actual conformation that it's not some weird internal build just for iPhones sold in the southern hemisphere between the hours of 3 and 4am
. 2) If you were Apple... wouldn't you be tempted to use the rabid nature of the fan base to your advantage? You know if you put it out there they're going to find it so why not let them. If you get mass reports of bricked iPhones you can quietly suspend the rollout and say 'hey, not our fault, you downloaded a dev build rather than wait for the official' and then get working on finding the bug REALLY quickly.Yep
iPod Touch users ARE redheaded stepchildren. A Touch is a more basic version of the iPhone and the iPhone brings in much more revenue.
Quityerbitchin'
ya, it doesn't bother me 2 much that i have to wait another day.
But on the other hand.. It really makes me sad because I feel that as an Ipod Touch user.. that Apple thinks of me as their redheaded stepchild. I have yet to feel any love fro apple.
Damn you Steve Jobs. Damn You!!!!
iPod Touch users ARE redheaded stepchildren. A Touch is a more basic version of the iPhone and the iPhone brings in much more revenue.
Quityerbitchin'
Yeah...
I'm offended by your characterization. In accordance with another typical American response, I'm going to sue. Expect to get calls from Jesse Jackson, the ACLU, the ADA and PETA (just for good measure, as I can't be sure that you're a vegan).
I'm offended by your characterization. In accordance with another typical American response, I'm going to sue. Expect to get calls from Jesse Jackson, the ACLU, the ADA and PETA (just for good measure, as I can't be sure that you're a vegan).
Yes, I have to agree with you...
IF YOU ARE AMERICAN, BE AN AMERICAN, BE IMPATIENT! BE WHINING,
BECAUSE WHEN WE WANT THE APP STORE ON iPod touch, WE WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO, I WOKE UP EARLY TO GET THIS UPGRADE TODAY...
I'M NOT GOING TO WAKE UP EARLY TOMORROW!
I WANT THE UPDATE NOW!
...why would you wake up early? If you live in the States the suggestion was made that evrything would be up at 9am Pacific, so the earliest you'd need to wake up is...9am... oooh, how early
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Oh well, let's just say it's released tomorrow around 8AM PDT, only 16 1/2 hours to go -_-
Why can't they just release it tonight?? Maybe midnight Cupertino time?
I'm not sure if people remember, but 1.1.4 was still available for download via a link, as it was through iTunes without paying, but when you paid it unlocked the other features (which where pretty much all of them).
Not that i agree the iPod Touch link should be available, just reminding people it isn't impossible that the link doesn't exist, its just got to be found
Not that i agree the iPod Touch link should be available, just reminding people it isn't impossible that the link doesn't exist, its just got to be found
Official release and iPod touch upgrade price
1. The official release is tomorrow (2008-07-11), not today. Everyone calm down.
2. As an iPod touch owner I don't mind paying the upgrade fee since I don't have (excessive) monthly fees associated with my iPod touch. And if you want to get your money's worth, simply download a few free apps and convince yourself that the 10$ was for those apps.
3. Where's the Mac mini update/replacement?
1. The official release is tomorrow (2008-07-11), not today. Everyone calm down.
2. As an iPod touch owner I don't mind paying the upgrade fee since I don't have (excessive) monthly fees associated with my iPod touch. And if you want to get your money's worth, simply download a few free apps and convince yourself that the 10$ was for those apps.
3. Where's the Mac mini update/replacement?
Umm, why did you do that? Apple announced via a press release that the 2.0 software would be released on the 11th and today is the 10th. It hasn't been released, and the people that downloaded it now may not even have one that was meant to be distributed.
And before anybody complains to me, I am an iPod touch user and I am perfectly fine waiting, it'll just give me something to look forward to when I wake up tomorrow. (But I'll still be hitting the "check for update" button on the hour
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1. The official release is tomorrow (2008-07-11), not today. Everyone calm down.
2. As an iPod touch owner I don't mind paying the upgrade fee since I don't have (excessive) monthly fees associated with my iPod touch. And if you want to get your money's worth, simply download a few free apps and convince yourself that the 10$ was for those apps.
3. Where's the Mac mini update/replacement?
*looks at date*
11th July 2008
iPhone has been on sale now for more than 9 hours here. Time to push out the software guys.
