That's a good way of thinking. But the developer should give his customers options instead of the one year lease... developer should freeze the app. Similar to how other developers transition to the subscription model... then with the updated app provide new features to entice customers to switch.That said, whether this move contravenes any App Store rule or not, I literally couldn't care less. I am sticking around, I am happy to continue paying if it means the developer continues to support Notability for a good many years to come and well, I guess that makes 18? subscriptions for me right now?
This notion that we should be able to buy an app in the App Store once and then keep using it -- with updates! -- forever is just totally crazy.
For instance, I bought Day One about ten years ago, and then never paid them another cent for years. I can't remember what I originally paid, but it wasn't much. Years later they moved to a subscription model and offered me, as an existing user, a discount on the subscription price for as long as I chose to keep it. I really don't understand what people expect these developers to do. How many more years of free updates did I deserve for the few measly dollars I gave them ten years ago?
The whiny entitlement is quite strong with a lot of folks -- the same ones who line up to give Apple hundreds or even thousands of dollars a year to purchase (rent, if you're on the iPhone upgrade program) shiny new devices to replace last year's shiny new devices. What kind of logic is that?
It's against Apple AppStore guidelinesLegal stealing
Which apps stopped working without the customer changing their hardware or iOS version?Just as bad are all those paid for apps that no longer work!
Yes it’s outrageous and it’s completely different from what Apple does. Apple doesn’t raise the price on something you already bought. My iPhone is paid for. If Apple raises the price on the new iPhone my current one doesn’t increase in price. It doesn’t stop working.Yep. Sounds like a crap job to be a developer. Apple raises prices and people line up and say take my money. lol. Let a dev do this and it’s outrageous.
I think it's more that after a decade, their growth has more or less plateaued, to the point where the number of new purchases each year may not be enough to justified continued support of said app. So the next best thing is to focus inwards, and see who amongst their existing user base is willing to subscribe and stay around.This is unacceptable, why would they want to risk losing their customers. Maybe they weren’t getting enough people to buy the app.
Reminds me of Day One, I was so disappointed. Instant delete for me, luckily I don’t have many notes.
Thinking back to what was just said, I agree with you, and I hope that Notability devs find a way to allow existing users to hold on to an older version of said app with full functionality. It's okay that it never gets another update, or stops working with iOS 16 or 17. At least we all saw it coming, and have had ample opportunity to migrate over.That's a good way of thinking. But the developer should give his customers options instead of the one year lease... developer should freeze the app. Similar to how other developers transition to the subscription model... then with the updated app provide new features to entice customers to switch.
Tweetbot come to mind, which I still use the old version... didn't upgrade to the updated subscription version. But if I wanted to support the developer I can always upgrade to the subscription version whenever I want.
You can file a claim against these fraudsters on Apple's websiteboot em from the app store
Nope. No one is free loading. They paid the price that the developer decided to charge. That’s not free loading. Did the developer make a bad deal? Maybe. That’s not the customers fault. Going back on the deal that was already completed is wrong. It’s against AppStore rules. It’s possibly illegal (bait and switch). There’s no defense for it. It’s just wrong.People are free loading with paid apps because they are not viable in the long run. 15$ is completely reasonable. If you don’t have $15 use Notes.
That's a perfectly valid option, too, but if you Google around a bit you'll find lots of tales of apps releasing new versions and retiring old versions and getting torched in the reviews by people who bought the original app years before and think it's the end of the world that they'll be expected to pay if they want to keep getting updates.How have developers made money before?
- Release a new app with new features
- Having a subscription-based system for new users and letting old users use what they paid for
I mean, that’s no where close to the same thing. This would be like Apple deciding charge you a monthly fee to use the GPS in the phone you already purchased.Yep. Sounds like a crap job to be a developer. Apple raises prices and people line up and say take my money. lol. Let a dev do this and it’s outrageous.
Exactly. Upgrading your hardware and software is a choice. If you have an app you depend on that you know doesn't work on Windows 11 or Monterey or whatever and you upgrade anyway, you only have one person to be mad at.Which apps stopped working without the customer changing their hardware or iOS version?
I’m going to have to slightly disagree with you here. While I agree with you on the developer needing to survive and have stable income - that’s not HIS fault. He bought the apps, in good faith, on both iOS and macOS. It’s irrelevant if he used it once or if he used it through three degrees. He paid the amount that Notability was charging. He can’t be expected to now pay more for the same feature set.. he’s already paid. Now future users- that’s different. They don’t have the contract that he did. Existing customers should not be punished.While it's of course sad for any user, I'm really hard sympathizing with a comment like this:
So he's been using the app for 6 years after paying 9 bucks and some more for the macOS app. And it's supported him through three degrees. And how he's upset the company who's obviously provided a great product want a stable financial model to help them keep providing a good app. Do they all think these companies can really survive for almost a decade on a $9 purchase and free upgrades after that.
The grandfathering is that they don't have to pay for the first year. I guess you can argue that's not enough, maybe add more time. But still...
the same ones who line up to give Apple hundreds or even thousands of dollars a year to purchase (rent, if you're on the iPhone upgrade program) shiny new devices to replace last year's shiny new devices. What kind of logic is that?
LOLOLOLThe problem, as it always is, is Apple's fault with its idiotic App Store rules. Along with the 30% racket fee, this is why sideloading apps absolutely has to become an option.
This seems like a fair option.I dislike subscriptions as much as the next guy, but I can see why the developers need to have a source of income to keep up development. I personally prefer the system used in apps like Agenda where you only (voluntarily) pay for new features as they are released and get to keep any feature you've previously bought indefinitely.
This is absolutely correct, which is why I can't imagine Apple will allow it to stand.I’m going to have to slightly disagree with you here. While I agree with you on the developer needing to survive and have stable income - that’s not HIS fault. He bought the apps, in good faith, on both iOS and macOS. It’s irrelevant if he used it once or if he used it through three degrees. He paid the amount that Notability was charging. He can’t be expected to now pay more for the same feature set.. he’s already paid. Now future users- that’s different. They don’t have the contract that he did. Existing customers should not be punished.
Imagine if you had bought a board game 10 years ago. And you opened it today but Mr Hasbro turned up at your house and demanded you pay him a yearly fee to be able to play it… you’d be outraged. This is where the waters are getting murky with digital ownership.
So does application development.Call me when you can download a CPU/camera/modem/etc. upgrade for your old iPhone for free. Until them, manufacturing new silicon has a cost that the customer needs to bear.
Which apps stopped working without the customer changing their hardware or iOS version?
I thought the same thing. We do now live in a world of entitlement. FREE FREE FREE. Give it to me for free.Wow, what a great world we’d live if that’s how things worked. The level of entitlement in this tweet is insane.