Not only that, but once you right-click and open an app, it gets whitelisted by the system and you don't have to do that again to open that app.
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Right-click is barely existent for most users Apple tries to shun the context menu as best it can by default. That’s pretty inscrutable, that right click–open bypasses GateKeeper while standard double click does not. But this is noted
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I’ve tried to download plenty of “legacy” things that arent really IT related and this is a common barricade. Being able to run whatever software you want on your own computer is a staple of desktop os’s id say. I do get the point, tho and I think apple should at least provide some kind of recovery terminal workaround for this like with system integrity protection
Someone who would want to open unverified apps would likely know more about their Mac than the average user, wouldn't they?
Not sure who the dumb one is here.... what "three dialogs" are you talking about in Sys Prefs? I've never had to do that... for any app. Please clarify.
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Even legitimate apps can become compromised. It's happened a few times already. Trusted apps, new version is released, with a compromise... innocent, trusting users affected. It's a real problem. Don't play it down too much.
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Control-click is the official way to access the contextual menu (aka the "right-click menu"). On laptops without a mouse, control-click brings up the menu. Allowing the bypassing of Gatekeeper through the contextual menu is perfectly legitimate... that's what it is there for. The contextual menu is meant for "extra" or "convenient" commands, not needed for the normal operation of the computer (unlike Windows, which can't operate without the right-click menu).
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This is good for security and it’s not like it’s a big hassle to do. While it’s true that we, as in MR members, don’t need any of this security, the fact is that the majority of Mac users are computer illiterate apart from using the web and programs they were trained to use. This is why I’ve always recommended such family and friends to switch to Mac. Windows is a good OS but can be a disaster for people who don’t know what they’re doing.
I think im a couple std devs over the average user in my mac knowledge (although according to some other very astute and clever people here, im actually not and am very dumb) and i didnt know about this; right clicking open is a very strange workaround for a fundamental security feature, isnt it? And actually i think running into unverified apps is more common than u think
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Nothing about “open” entails that is bypasses gatekeeper security, that makes no sense at all. Control-click is a nonsense workaround, no one figures it out naturally. If you have a mouse with two clear delineated buttons you naturally get curious and click the other button, if you have a trackpad thats default given a clear zone for right clicking, you eventually are able to find that zone and feel it out. Most people never touch the control button let alone put clicking and it together.
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Thankfully Apple made right clicking very intuitive by the time I switched to Mac because Control-clicking would’ve driven me crazy. I don’t know how people got by with one click.
You really need these menus to be productive instead of only relying on the global menu bar.
You mean with the multi touch trackpad? Yeah i dont understand how anyone could use those old single button ones. But even with these new trackpads the right click zone is off by default i believe. If you dont right click you are using the mac like an animal, it makes a bunch of dumb stuff like the airdrop sidebar in finder obsolete
The majority of third party stuff, especially FOSS, is unverified and requires me to authorize it in system preferences. Honestly it’s not a big deal when firing it up for the first time. The Windows way (UAC) introduced in Vista was worse. I disabled that right away.
Yeah, the scale of my grumble is fairly limited in scope, but its still unnecessary hoops to jump through
Yep. The two finger right click. It’s excellent. The current touch pads are really the best I’ve ever used. I always used a wireless mouse before switching to Mac.
With my iMac i have a traditional usb scroll wheel mouse (naos 3200) and a magic trackpad and i really like how that works. You get the cool multitouch gestures and scrolling of a trackpad with the more precise and analog pointer of a real mouse. I had a macbook pro 2015 and i really did like the trackpad on that, windows laptops really are missing out
To me it looks like apple is trying to milk us developers even more.
You can also completely disable gatekeeper via the terminal (sudo spctl --master-disable). Which honestly makes a ton of sense to dlme. The users who need to completely disable gatekeeper should damn well know what they're doing, and forcing you to use the terminal makes sure of that.
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"sudo spctl --master-disable" completely disables gatekeeper.
Yeah they really are although they have been forced to improve.
That mouse looks similar to the Logitech gaming mouse I used to have. That shape is really comfortable. A traditional mouse is definitely better for precision and control but the touchpad/Magic Trackpad is better for general use.
That mouse looks similar to the Logitech gaming mouse I used to have. That shape is really comfortable. A traditional mouse is definitely better for precision and control but the touchpad/Magic Trackpad is better for general use.
Let’s hope that stays an option in future releases
If you don’t know about context menus you probably shouldn’t be trying to bypass gatekeeper.
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To me it looks like they are trying to protect us from forged certificates, stolen credentials, compromised distribution servers, and general mayhem.
But to each his own.
This sounds like a real PITA if you write a lot of apps for yourself, which I do. For most of them I’m required to code sign them so I don’t see how I can avoid this even though I’m the only one using the apps.
Interesting... initially I was thinking "as long as I can turn it off, I'm fine with this as the default". But then I went and looked at Apple's page about notarization. Looks like you'll even be required to notarize unpublished (aka "side loaded") apps.
I wonder if the real target of this is jailbreakers? Every jailbreak over the past three major iOS versions has required you self-sign an app and side load it onto your own phone (generally using a tool like Cydia Impactor). Seems like this would provide Apple an avenue to effectively kill that approach.
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Unfortunately, all using the terminal really demonstrates is that a user can follow directions. Remember all the people who got hit with the "developer do" prank and ended up wiping their own drives?
I wonder if the real target of this is jailbreakers? Every jailbreak over the past three major iOS versions has required you self-sign an app and side load it onto your own phone (generally using a tool like Cydia Impactor). Seems like this would provide Apple an avenue to effectively kill that approach.
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Unfortunately, all using the terminal really demonstrates is that a user can follow directions. Remember all the people who got hit with the "developer do" prank and ended up wiping their own drives?
Wouldn't have been too bad if it was just that. The fact that I have to redo that over and over again every 30 days is annoying.
The GUI was more tailored to one mouse button back in the days, but since even Apple went for the contextual menu route there sure are some benefits of having right-click in the OS. But the Windows way of sometimes requiring a right-click to do certain things isn't necessarily good. I think the contextual menu should (in most cases) be an extension of things you can also access by other means in the application being used.
Of course it's about policing. This process allows them to approve or reject non-Apple software, hosted on non-Apple web sites. It will be interesting to see if Apple will notarize compliant software that they would not otherwise host on their app store.
Link to an article showing the existence of such software.
I am pretty sure there are non.
There are no viruses for OS X/macOS, malware yes.